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David Nebenzahl - 23 Oct 2009 05:28 GMT
The recent thread about a hypothetical ballasting car that would
actually be able to work on a model railroad layout got me to thinking.
(Dangerous, I know.) Came up with an idea for such a piece of MOW
equipment, but then decided that it would really work better as a
hand-held tool (certainly not as operationally cool, but more effective).

See sketch at http://www.geocities.com/bonezphoto/models/Ballaster.gif.
(Note: this URL will cease to work after 10/26 when Yahoo! finally pulls
the plug on GeoCities.)

DISCLAIMER: I haven't actually made one of these, so I have no frickin'
idea if it would actually work.

I envision this being made out of cardboard and glued together; the
inserts would seal off the slots that fit over the rail. (Of course, it
would be nicer in soldered sheet brass; that, however, is a bit beyond
my meager capabilities.) The size and shape of the openings would have
to be determined experimentally; one wants the ballast to flow freely,
but not *too* freely. And the side chutes could be angled down away from
the track for a prototypical profile.

So what do y'all think? Might work?

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Special Agent Melvin Purvis - 23 Oct 2009 06:55 GMT
> The recent thread about a hypothetical ballasting car that would
> actually be able to work on a model railroad layout got me to thinking.
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I remember seeing an advertisement for a plexiglass tube with slots
cut in the bottom for the rails, designed for spreading ballast.  Did
you see it?
David Nebenzahl - 23 Oct 2009 07:40 GMT
On 10/22/2009 10:55 PM Special Agent Melvin Purvis spake thus:

>> The recent thread about a hypothetical ballasting car that would
>> actually be able to work on a model railroad layout got me to thinking.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> cut in the bottom for the rails, designed for spreading ballast.  Did
> you see it?

No, but now that you mention it, if one made this out of plexiglas, one
could simply cut slots for the rails instead of diddling around with
inserts, since the thickness of the plexi is about rail height. Good idea.

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Wolf K - 25 Oct 2009 00:30 GMT
>> The recent thread about a hypothetical ballasting car that would
>> actually be able to work on a model railroad layout got me to thinking.
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> cut in the bottom for the rails, designed for spreading ballast.  Did
> you see it?

I have one made of dark grey ABS. I can't recall the manufacturer's
(there's no brand on it), but it works well enough.

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Calvin Henry-Cotnam - 25 Oct 2009 21:51 GMT
Wolf K (wekirch@sympatico.ca) said...

>I have one made of dark grey ABS. I can't recall the manufacturer's
>(there's no brand on it), but it works well enough.

I believe you are thinking of an item made by MLR Manufacturing.

I recalled this from the 80s and went through my back issues of MR and
found their last ad in the June 1986 issue.

Forgive me for posting a binary to this group, but I will follow this
posting with one with a 75 dpi scan (18k in size) to jog memories.

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Ray Haddad - 25 Oct 2009 22:25 GMT
>Forgive me for posting a binary to this group, but I will follow this
>posting with one with a 75 dpi scan (18k in size) to jog memories.

Just put the binary on one of those photo bucket things anywhere and
post a link to it. Some NNTP servers won't accept binaries at all.
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LDosser - 26 Oct 2009 02:04 GMT
> Wolf K (wekirch@sympatico.ca) said...
>>
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> I recalled this from the 80s and went through my back issues of MR and
> found their last ad in the June 1986 issue.

They yet live!

http://www.mlrmfg.com/
PV - 27 Oct 2009 21:04 GMT
>Forgive me for posting a binary to this group, but I will follow this
>posting with one with a 75 dpi scan (18k in size) to jog memories.

It's not a matter of forgive - there's hardly a usenet provider on earth
that won't either drop the binary part of cancel your post entirely if you
put a binary in a non-binary group. Don't even try - nobody will see it. *
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Puckdropper - 23 Oct 2009 08:10 GMT
> The recent thread about a hypothetical ballasting car that would
> actually be able to work on a model railroad layout got me to
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>
> So what do y'all think? Might work?

It's not a bad idea, but what about the molded spikes and tie plates?
One tool I've found that works really well is a paint edge tool.  The
fine bristles move the ballast off the ties while leaving it between
them.

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The Seabat - 25 Oct 2009 01:53 GMT
>>The recent thread about a hypothetical ballasting car that would
>>actually be able to work on a model railroad layout got me to thinking.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>>
>>So what do y'all think? Might work?

I seem to remember a whole bunch of years ago in one of the model
magazines an article on how to convert a round Old Spice deodorant
stick applicator into a ballast too that looked similar to what you
are trying to do. You would cut slots in the bottom to match your
gauge rail and then just file it up with ballast and run it along the
track. Never tried it so can't comment on how well it worked, but
sounded pretty good. Now if you can only find an Old Spice container
that is round instead of those damn oval sized thingies!

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David Nebenzahl - 25 Oct 2009 08:01 GMT
On 10/24/2009 5:53 PM The Seabat spake thus:

>>> The recent thread about a hypothetical ballasting car that would
>>> actually be able to work on a model railroad layout got me to
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> sounded pretty good. Now if you can only find an Old Spice container
> that is round instead of those damn oval sized thingies!

Interesting.

Let me throw something else into the mix here. It seems to me, even
without experimenting at all, that such a device probably wouldn't work
very well unless it was shaken by the operator. So I'd add another
detail, which would be a small electric vibrator, to shake it
consistently to make the ballast flow better. Probably one of those
little vibrators they put in cell phones would work here (you can buy
them really cheap from surplus electronics dealers).

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PV - 27 Oct 2009 21:01 GMT
>See sketch at http://www.geocities.com/bonezphoto/models/Ballaster.gif.
>(Note: this URL will cease to work after 10/26 when Yahoo! finally pulls
>the plug on GeoCities.)

Well, crap, way to put something up with a limited lifespan.

>I envision this being made out of cardboard and glued together; the
>inserts would seal off the slots that fit over the rail. (Of course, it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>but not *too* freely. And the side chutes could be angled down away from
>the track for a prototypical profile.

If I get what you're talking about from lack of picture, I don't see why it
wouldn't work, but I'm not sure it would be that much better it would be
than simply using a paper funnel and smoothing it out with a piece of card
stock.

Also note - soldering sheet brass is easy if you're not trying to make it
look like artwork. All you need is heat - it's easier than electrical
soldering actually. Give it a try sometime. *
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David Nebenzahl - 27 Oct 2009 22:57 GMT
On 10/27/2009 12:01 PM PV spake thus:

>> See sketch at
>> http://www.geocities.com/bonezphoto/models/Ballaster.gif. (Note:
>> this URL will cease to work after 10/26 when Yahoo! finally pulls
>> the plug on GeoCities.)
>
> Well, crap, way to put something up with a limited lifespan.

Not to worry: it's still there. Turns out that Oct. 26th wasn't the
"drop dead" date that Yahoo! had intimated: all the Geoshitties stuff is
still up there. They're in a transition phase where people are
redirecting their pages to new URLs.

> If I get what you're talking about from lack of picture, I don't see why it
> wouldn't work, but I'm not sure it would be that much better it would be
> than simply using a paper funnel and smoothing it out with a piece of card
> stock.

Well, now that you can still see my drawing, you can decide for yourself.

> Also note - soldering sheet brass is easy if you're not trying to make it
> look like artwork. All you need is heat - it's easier than electrical
> soldering actually. Give it a try sometime. *

Thanks; I might have to try that sometime.

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Rick Jones - 27 Oct 2009 23:54 GMT
> On 10/27/2009 12:01 PM PV spake thus:
>
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> still up there. They're in a transition phase where people are
> redirecting their pages to new URLs.

   What other good, free hosting sites are there. My Geocities page
hasn't worked correctly for some time so I've wanted to move it. I've
saved the files.

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PV - 28 Oct 2009 22:06 GMT
>> Well, crap, way to put something up with a limited lifespan.
>
>Not to worry: it's still there. Turns out that Oct. 26th wasn't the
>"drop dead" date that Yahoo! had intimated: all the Geoshitties stuff is
>still up there. They're in a transition phase where people are
>redirecting their pages to new URLs.

Nope, it's gone. *
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