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Sorta OT: Buffet buys BNSF

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David Nebenzahl - 03 Nov 2009 19:33 GMT
Saw the headline today on my business page. Dunno what the consequences
and repercussions of this are, but it seems like just another one of
those things that capitalism is so good at: big fish getting eaten by
even bigger fish.

Article at
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial/f044555S64.DTL

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Ray Haddad - 03 Nov 2009 20:33 GMT
>Saw the headline today on my business page. Dunno what the consequences
>and repercussions of this are, but it seems like just another one of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Article at
>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial/f044555S64.DTL

And let ye who never spams cast the first stone . . .
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Twibil - 03 Nov 2009 21:25 GMT
> >Article at
> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial...
>
> And let ye who never spams cast the first stone . . .

Idiot, David's not advertising or promoting anything; nor was anyone
else. Therefore it's not spam; merely a business news item that's of
interest to railroad buffs: and he *did* label the thread "Sorta OT".

Of course, being Ray Haddad you no doubt have your own private meaning
for "spam" as you seem to have for so many other words, and will
insist in the face of all evidence that anything you don't like (or
for that matter anything you *do* like but which was posted by the
wrong Netzian) is actually "spam".

What a maroon.
Ray Haddad - 03 Nov 2009 21:37 GMT
>> >Article at
>> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial...
>>
>> And let ye who never spams cast the first stone . . .
>
>Idiot, David's not advertising or promoting anything

Bzzzzt! Wrong answer. It's not at all about MODEL railroading. Take
your stupid theories and stuff them. Tools are used for model
railroading and he shouldn't have tried to stomp the thread like he
did. Now grow up and play nice, mate.
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Ray
Greg.Procter - 03 Nov 2009 22:07 GMT
>>> >Article at
>>> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> --
> Ray

Railway modelling generally has as it's theme prototype railways.
Therefore, anything that's liable to change the appearance of our
prototypes is on topic.

Regards,
Greg.P.
NZ
Ray Haddad - 03 Nov 2009 22:14 GMT
>>>> >Article at
>>>> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial...
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>Therefore, anything that's liable to change the appearance of our
>prototypes is on topic.

Thank you. Case closed. You see, tools are also used by model
railroaders. When's the last time you gnawed through a piece of flex
track? Or cut some MDF with your fingernail?
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Greg.Procter - 03 Nov 2009 22:34 GMT
>>>>> >Article at
>>>>> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial...
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> --
> Ray

Err Ray, your post seems almost negative in attitude!
I'm a hobby engineer, so if I don't have the right tool I either make it
or buy it.
The last time my tool collection was in a state where I needed to chew
through flex-track or scrape my way through MDF was around 1969.

IMHO tools are on topic if the intent is to make/alter something for a
model railway, whether you're asking how hard you should bite flextrack
or what is the best way to trim your nails so you can best score MDF.

Regards,
Greg.P.
NZ
Ray Haddad - 03 Nov 2009 22:42 GMT
>>>>>> >Article at
>>>>>> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial...
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Err Ray, your post seems almost negative in attitude!

And you consider this little "Err" bit to be what? Funny?
Condescending? Negative? I label it as all three.

>I'm a hobby engineer, so if I don't have the right tool I either make it
>or buy it.
>The last time my tool collection was in a state where I needed to chew
>through flex-track or scrape my way through MDF was around 1969.

So then, you make your own table saws, band saws and pliers?

>IMHO tools are on topic if the intent is to make/alter something for a
>model railway, whether you're asking how hard you should bite flextrack
>or what is the best way to trim your nails so you can best score MDF.

Tools are tools. We use them in our hobby. End of discussion.
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Ray
Greg.Procter - 03 Nov 2009 23:29 GMT
>>>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:25:05 -0800 (PST), Twibil  
>>>>> <nowayjose6@gmail.com>
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> And you consider this little "Err" bit to be what? Funny?
> Condescending? Negative? I label it as all three.

It's an indication that I consider your comments to be in error -
somewhat like your commonly used "Bzzzzt" but not as outrightly dismissive.
I wouldn't have thought of it as "funny".

>> I'm a hobby engineer, so if I don't have the right tool I either make it
>> or buy it.
>> The last time my tool collection was in a state where I needed to chew
>> through flex-track or scrape my way through MDF was around 1969.
>
> So then, you make your own table saws, band saws and pliers?

Hmmm, (that's a thinking pause) I have made my own miniature table saw
for very fine work, and a pair of pliers which are 1/4" long, although
that was to improve my skill with the milling machine.

>> IMHO tools are on topic if the intent is to make/alter something for a
>> model railway, whether you're asking how hard you should bite flextrack
>> or what is the best way to trim your nails so you can best score MDF.
>
> Tools are tools. We use them in our hobby. End of discussion.

I hope it's not the end of tool discussions! I'm sure there are people
on this ng who have knowledge and/or experience which is greater than  
mine, even if you know everything!

Greg.P.
NZ
> --
> Ray

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David Nebenzahl - 04 Nov 2009 00:47 GMT
On 11/3/2009 1:37 PM Ray Haddad spake thus:

>> Idiot, David's not advertising or promoting anything
>
> Bzzzzt! Wrong answer. It's not at all about MODEL railroading. Take
> your stupid theories and stuff them. Tools are used for model
> railroading and he shouldn't have tried to stomp the thread like he
> did.

What tool thread did I "stomp", pray tell?

I *did* stomp a *spam* thread (read it and study it to understand just
what spam is). The only tool thread I participated in was the recent one
where I forwarded a humorous (and also off-topic) post to a couple other
newsgroups; hardly "stomping" on it.

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Ray Haddad - 04 Nov 2009 02:40 GMT
>I *did* stomp a *spam* thread

No. You stomped a tool thread.
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Ray Haddad - 04 Nov 2009 03:03 GMT
>What tool thread did I "stomp", pray tell?

David, you are correct. I misread your post which was a single line.
It's my fault and I apologize.
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David Nebenzahl - 04 Nov 2009 03:30 GMT
On 11/3/2009 7:03 PM Ray Haddad spake thus:

>> What tool thread did I "stomp", pray tell?
>
> David, you are correct. I misread your post which was a single line.
> It's my fault and I apologize.

Fair enough.

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Greg.Procter - 05 Nov 2009 02:10 GMT
>> What tool thread did I "stomp", pray tell?
>
> David, you are correct. I misread your post which was a single line.
> It's my fault and I apologize.
> --
> Ray

Ray old buddy, when you jump on and insult someone, you have to apologise
twice as hard when you finally figure you boobooed.
We can all make mistakes and most people will give a little leaway when
somebody admits their mistakes. You on the other hand jump so quickly
and heavily that you're liable to get very little.

Regards,
Greg.P.
NZ
Ray Haddad - 05 Nov 2009 03:04 GMT
>>> What tool thread did I "stomp", pray tell?
>>
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>somebody admits their mistakes. You on the other hand jump so quickly
>and heavily that you're liable to get very little.

I bow to your experience, Greg.
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David Nebenzahl - 04 Nov 2009 00:25 GMT
On 11/3/2009 12:33 PM Ray Haddad spake thus:

>> Saw the headline today on my business page. Dunno what the
>> consequences and repercussions of this are, but it seems like just
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> And let ye who never spams cast the first stone . . .

Nice try. (Not really.)

You obviously don't know what spam really is. This is not it.

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Ray Haddad - 04 Nov 2009 02:41 GMT
>You obviously don't know what spam really is. This is not it.

That's right. But neither did you when you stomped on the tool thread.
Grow up, David. This is NOT your own personal newsgroup. Get over
yourself, mate.
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Bob May - 03 Nov 2009 20:46 GMT
Might also note that it is th big fish that have the money to keep things
going through the lean times.

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Steve Caple - 03 Nov 2009 21:25 GMT
> Might also note that it is th big fish that have the money to keep things
> going through the lean times.

Uh, like you and me and the rest of the folks who are going to pay back the
cost of saving Goldman-Sach's and others' bacon?  Not to mention the
benefit to people like Warren Buffet when we keep the international big
money system from collapsing in a shambles.  But now the GOP who were
perfectly happy to have big finance bailed out (let alone provide 80% or
more of the vaunted 2000 tax breaks to themselves and their friends or
sponsors, or pour tons of money down a rathole of a war that only a bunch
of NeoCon wanlers wanted)  are suddenly leery of spending enough money to
save all the little bacon stashes of folks left out of work by the rich
foilks' panic.  When a bank teeters on the verge of collapse, it's a
tragedy.  When millions of poor and middle class people are out of work,
it's an "economic adjustment".

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Greg.Procter - 03 Nov 2009 22:04 GMT
>> Might also note that it is th big fish that have the money to keep  
>> things
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> benefit to people like Warren Buffet when we keep the international big
> money system from collapsing in a shambles.

Hang on there - it's the US's actions that have destabilized the World  
economy -
don't go claiming credit for saving the life of someone you just shot!

> But now the GOP who were
> perfectly happy to have big finance bailed out (let alone provide 80% or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> tragedy.  When millions of poor and middle class people are out of work,
> it's an "economic adjustment".

Totally agree, with that one exception.

Greg.P.
NZ
Steve Caple - 04 Nov 2009 00:18 GMT
> Hang on there - it's the US's actions that have destabilized the World  
> economy -
> don't go claiming credit for saving the life of someone you just shot!

To a large degree, I agree; hwever, other entities such as RBS were almost
as culpable, just not as big as Lehman, GS, and AIG.
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Greg.Procter - 04 Nov 2009 02:21 GMT
>> Hang on there - it's the US's actions that have destabilized the World
>> economy -
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> almost
> as culpable, just not as big as Lehman, GS, and AIG.

"US actions" as in a government that maintains so little control over your
banking sector that it allows such incompetence and greed!
Sorry, sort of getting off topic here.

Greg.P.
D. Stussy - 04 Nov 2009 03:11 GMT
> Saw the headline today on my business page. Dunno what the consequences
> and repercussions of this are, but it seems like just another one of
> those things that capitalism is so good at: big fish getting eaten by
> even bigger fish.
>
> Article at

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/03/financial/f044555S64.DTL

Now you have to repaint all your models to say BHRR!  ;-)
 
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