Hi,
> The problem there is that small locos need almost as many parts and as
> much assembling as large locos. The result is that a good quality
> small loco would cost almost as much as as a large one (per scale)
Agreed.
> An N gauge loco has (theoretically) only 1/8th of the volume of
> the same prototype in HO, but the price of the N loco is only a
> little less than the HO model for the same quality.
Interesting point of view ;-)
> US firms like Athearn have made small locos with cheap drives
> so you expect a small loco to be $9.98 so $99.98 small locos
> (probably) wouldn't sell.
Well, you can buy $80 mainline locos. Which are basically empty inside -
or filled with weight. Basically the same drive, just inside less weight
would make a small loco - I decline to consider "space requirements" a
problem, especially when I consider that there's always room for a
decoder, even in Z scale. So, while there are a few switcher locos to
buy (some of them actually in the below-$100 range), models for American
prototypes are not readily available in Europe (especially in Germany!)
- and the European switchers and DMUs are rather on the expensive side.
And they are difficult to obtain, still, because most of the shops I can
go to don't sell them (I do buy locally as far as possible).
But locos are less of a problem compared to wagons - most of the short
wagons they sell here are either two-axle stock (which I don't like
much) or are loooooong (which don't fit my layout). One of the reasons
for using American-style rolling stock is the fact that only
American-style four-axle short wagons are available. Getting wagons in
DIY-kits is almost unheard-of. The discrepancy between wagons and locos
available in model shops and in the real-world is horrible...
> I just bought a Brawa 0-6-0 tank loco (European outline)
> for Eu 239-. It's beautiful and runs as it should, scale speeds
> through turnouts ... Eu 239- is an awful lot of money for a
> tiny, mostly plastic toy, but my layout needs it and I can toss
> out the nasty, cheap starter set 0-6-0t locos I've made do with
> up to now.
As I said, there's stuff available, but it's rather limited compared to
"the real world" - in reality there's likely as much switching equipment
as mainline equipment - in the hobby stores it's almost exclusively
mainline equipment. Probably this is due to the fact that most people
only "see" the mainline equipment when they think of trains, but know
(or "see") little of what's going on behind the scenes.
So big stuff sells - even if it doesn't even fit the super-small pizza's
of the starter packs - mainline loco and two or three big wagons occupy
a third of the track they provide in the box! Don't look to closely at
the "train" from the outside of the curves :-(
Yeah, well, the world is a bad place to live - too many people, too
little brain ;-)
Just as an on-season joke, I'm happy my model train layout is situated
in summer/fall - I'd go crazy trying to model all the failures and
delays that the real trains seem to be experiencing - and the winter's
not even bad here... Every time a snow flake is lying cross-wise on the
tracks, there's a delay...
Ciao...
Greg.Procter - 18 Feb 2010 21:31 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> only "see" the mainline equipment when they think of trains, but know
> (or "see") little of what's going on behind the scenes.
Brawa offers, or offered HO US stock. The US outline leaflet comes with the
European leaflet from Brawa each year. I presume it's US "Lifelike",
probably
made in the same Chinese factory as Brawa models.
> So big stuff sells - even if it doesn't even fit the super-small pizza's
> of the starter packs - mainline loco and two or three big wagons occupy
> a third of the track they provide in the box! Don't look to closely at
> the "train" from the outside of the curves :-(
There's still lots of small models amongst the big stuff - between
Maerklin, Trix Fleischmann and Roco there must be about 300 pages of
new items each year but I buy one or two locos and a small carton of
wagons etc.
> Yeah, well, the world is a bad place to live - too many people, too
> little brain ;-)
Stay focussed on the trains - you can never have enough!
> Just as an on-season joke, I'm happy my model train layout is situated
> in summer/fall - I'd go crazy trying to model all the failures and
> delays that the real trains seem to be experiencing - and the winter's
> not even bad here... Every time a snow flake is lying cross-wise on the
> tracks, there's a delay...
Mine are situated before Adolf - back when snow was an everyday occurance
and trains got through.
Greg.P.
Wuerttemberg had short 4 axle wagons :-)