Just inherited some assorted N scale US outline stuff (-very- assorted)
Bachman GP40, Model Power Alco Century 420 - Both with standard Arnold type
N Gauge couplers (the Bachman loco is very smooth, the MP engine less so).
Assorted MP freight stock - bit basic and all Arnold couplers
Assorted Atlas freight stock - very nice indeed - Think these have the Atlas
couoplers
Questions - Is the Atlas coupler really compatible with the MicroTrains
type?
(Getting either may be tricky in the UK and it would be nice to have as many
options as possible).
What is the minimum radius US outline stock will handle and does this cause
break-aways?
I have a collection of redundant Fleichmann track which has a min radius of
7.5 inches or thereabouts. The German stuff handles this fine (they even
have a trick coupler for close coupling passenger stock that expands on the
curves). The Arnold couplers on some makes of UK outline tend to come
uncoupled on these very tight curves.
This my first real go at US outline so I know almost nothing (got a couple
of books on order though, mainly due to the Atlas stock, as I said very nice
indeed). I have a space five feet by about two feet to play with for
experiments, so tight curves are attractive.
Regards
Mike
Mike Hughes - 02 Feb 2010 14:16 GMT
>Just inherited some assorted N scale US outline stuff (-very- assorted)
>
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>said very nice indeed). I have a space five feet by about two feet to
>play with for experiments, so tight curves are attractive.
Where are you based?
It sounds like the NMRA British Region probably has all the answers to
your questions.
Send a message to marketing@nmrabr.org.uk It will come to me and when I
get the information I will respond either by sending it to someone near
you or by letting you have my personal telephone number
If you (or anyone else) is near Brighton 12-14 February the NMRA will
have its display stand at Model World in the Brighton Centre
>Regards
>
>Mike
PS Are you the same gut who's been posting on the UK site recently? Nice
to see someone asking intelligent questions and getting intelligent
replies

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John Carter - 02 Feb 2010 15:48 GMT
>>Just inherited some assorted N scale US outline stuff (-very-
>>assorted)
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>>Bachman GP40, Model Power Alco Century 420 - Both with standard
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>>Regards
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> recently? Nice to see someone asking intelligent questions and
> getting intelligent replies
What inrelligent replies ? The only reply I saw was "send these
questions to someone who will send them on to another",etc. Providing
a telephone number is good, but how does that answer the questions for
those of us who also are interested in the answers. I'm not sure what
you want the OP to do, but for my part, that's not the way I've seen
USENET work.
We all understand that replies are those of the replier and not the
organization he/she is associated with (unless so stated), so don'r
worry about mis-representing a group.
Wolf Kirchmeir - 02 Feb 2010 16:13 GMT
>>> Just inherited some assorted N scale US outline stuff (-very-
>>> assorted)
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> What inrelligent replies ? [...]
The ones on the UK site, obviously.
cheers,
wolf k.
Wolf Kirchmeir - 02 Feb 2010 16:31 GMT
> Just inherited some assorted N scale US outline stuff (-very- assorted)
>
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> Assorted Atlas freight stock - very nice indeed - Think these have the
> Atlas couoplers [snip...]
Generally speaking, knuckle couplers of different makes will mate with
each other on straight track, but may have issues on curves. All
couplers will have difficulty coupling on small radiius curves (anything
less than about 20" is small radius IMO.)
Minimum curve should be 10" or therabouts (Atlas min is 9.97") IMO,
minimum radius should be 15" or more, especially is using body-mounted
couplers.
There are several issues with couplers:
a) Track: dipsy-doodling, rollercoaster track will cause unintended
uncoupling. This effect is worse with N, as the coupler heads are about
half the depth of HO couplers.
b) Body versus truck- (bogie-) mounted couplers: Don't mix them , esp.
if using small radii. Worst case is body-mount on a long car and
truck-mount on a short one. Such cars can derail each other.
c) Coupler height: Arnold couplers are especially sensitive to
variations, esp. when track isn't dead level. Either buy or make a
gauge, and ensure all couplers are within about 0.25mm of correct height.
d) Coupler mounting: again, Arnold couplers have more problems than MTL
couplers, mostly because of manufacturing sloppiness (variations in
spring stiffness, mold parting lines/flash where it shouldn't be, etc.)
All in all, I recommend MTL couplers. If you have problems getting them
in the UK, mail me offgroup at noshomosu usual-wierd-sign sympatico li'l
dot ca. I can supply at very good prices.
cheers,
wolf k.
Erik Olsen - 02 Feb 2010 16:53 GMT
> Questions - Is the Atlas coupler really compatible with the
> MicroTrains type?
Normally yes but the Atlas coupler boxes tend to fall apart just by
looking at it, and they often loose their trip pin.
> (Getting either may be tricky in the UK and it would be nice to have
> as many options as possible).
It is not tricky at all. A lot of good web shops carry them. I use
http://www.nscalesupply.com/, http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/ and
http://www.wig-wag-trains.com/, no problem at all, and great service
from all of them.
> What is the minimum radius US outline stock will handle and does this
> cause break-aways?
That depends on whether the couplers are truck mounted or body mounted.
40'-50' cars with truck mounted couplers generally traverse 9.75in
radius curves (Atlas minimum fixed radius curve), similar cars with body
mounted couplers may need 11-12in radius curves. Longer cars may need
larger radius curves.
> I have a collection of redundant Fleichmann track which has a min
> radius of 7.5 inches or thereabouts.
I think 40' cars with truck mounted couplers will run on this track but
you may have problems if your locomotives have body mounted couplers
(this is usual for newer N scale locomotives).
Truck mounted and body mounted couplers generally do not operate well
together on small radius track. The body mounted coupler on a locomotive
may derail the nearest truck on a car with truck mounted couplers due to
the larger swing of the body mounted coupler and the much heavier
locomotive. Changing the locomotive couplers to a type with a longer
shank may prevent this.
Generally I recommend using Micro-Trains couplers as they are sturdier
and more reliable than most other types and come in a large variety of
types. The Micro-Trains web site http://www.micro-trains.com/ has a
coupler conversion chart that covers most N scale locomotives.

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Bob May - 03 Feb 2010 02:12 GMT
I'm not in N scale but your problem more sort of sounds like the
generic problems that beginners often have with coupling.
First off, trying to get only one brand of couplers on all of the equipmnt
makes sure that there are no incompativilities between makers. The MTL
coupler not only works very well but it is a much more scale looking coupler
than other designs.
One of the big rules is that the track HAS to be smooth and even. Kinks
in track, both in side to side aangle and especially in up/down angle
makee for big problems. Go out and look at some real track and note how
much it looks like a single smooth ribbon. This means that the roadbed
also needs to be smooth and level. Joints of all kinds need to be finished
so that ther is no big gap or peak in the rail ends. It may not seem too
big at the rail but any change in height does get magnified by the car
body and that will throw the couplers out of alignment with each other.
Basically, if you see equipment go bump over a spot in the track, it is bad
and needs to be inspected and repaired.
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Twibil - 03 Feb 2010 06:43 GMT
> One of the big rules is that the track HAS to be smooth and even. Kinks
> in track, both in side to side aangle and especially in up/down angle
> makee for big problems. Go out and look at some real track and note how
> much it looks like a single smooth ribbon.
Well, usually, anyway.
http://www.livescience.com/images/041222_perma_railroad_03.jpg
Hint: Don't lay your track on permafrost.
~Pete
Mike Smith - 03 Feb 2010 17:45 GMT
On Feb 2, 6:12 pm, "Bob May" <bob...@nethere.com> wrote:
> One of the big rules is that the track HAS to be smooth and even. Kinks
> in track, both in side to side aangle and especially in up/down angle
> makee for big problems. Go out and look at some real track and note how
> much it looks like a single smooth ribbon.
Well, usually, anyway.
http://www.livescience.com/images/041222_perma_railroad_03.jpg
Hint: Don't lay your track on permafrost.
~Pete
Thank gents - 9.5 inches will do (the more recent UK outline stuff cannot
manage anything less than 10.5 inch radius, the Fleichmann stuff goes down
to 7.5 inches with no problem).
Hi Mike - Sorry I'm not using the NMRA site yet (couldn't find it, but got
the link from your post)
Obviously the easier the curve the better, but when I was in the US in the
1980s there was a - seriously- tight curve feeding the cannery just down the
road, which planted the seed of interest.
I'll start off with a simple oval with a few industrial spurs and see how I
get on with it.
Thanks again for the advice - If I get stuck with the trucks I'll take up
Wolf's offer.
Regards
Mike