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Mike Smith - 16 Feb 2010 01:15 GMT
Been looking at YouTube vids of layouts, there seems to be a lot more colour
in the freight car stock than I remember in the 1970s - I only remember
'freight brown' cars, heavily stained with brake dust.

Is colour a new thing? I thought most railroads used standard brown livery
for enclosed cars, with some exceptions for special cars.

Reason for asking is I am starting an N Gauge 1950s short line/terminal
layout and was thinking I should repaint some of the Model Power freight
cars  I have (I need a lot of 40 foot cars, they are getting MTL
trucks/couplers fitted)

Regards

Mike
Wolf K - 16 Feb 2010 03:30 GMT
> Been looking at YouTube vids of layouts, there seems to be a lot more
> colour in the freight car stock than I remember in the 1970s - I only
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> Mike

Google is your friend, especially if you're willing to try different
search phrases, eg "freight car gallery", "CPR freight car paint
schemes", etc. But it's not easy. The top hits tend to be sites selling
you models, not sites providing data. Also, most photos are of engines
(are you surprised?), not freight cars. Try these sites as a starting point:

http://www.cwrr.com/nmra/Photoa-NZ.html

http://abpr2.railfan.net/

There is indeed a lot more colour now than there used to be, and you're
out by about 10 years in your memory of freight car brown trains. The
trend to colour was well underway when in 1968 Canadian Pacific
introduced its MultiMark livery, with bright red, bright green, bright
yellow and of course shiny black, silver, and grey cars. Lots of short
lines bought cars and rented them out or let the demurrage roll in. They
used lots of different colours, too. Mechanical refrigerator cars
expanded the yellow and orange palette of the older brine-cooled
reefers. Railbox cars were bright yellow. And so on.

Of course what's available from some manufacturers doesn't represent the
relative proportions of different colours in the freight car fleet, but
by about 1970 most freight cars were not freight car brown any more.

Now in the 1950s most cars were some variation of the freight car red
theme, with reefers mostly orange or yellow, tank cars almost uniformly
black, and the brightest colours usually found at the end of the train,
unless a spiffy new diesel was on the point. Then you could admire one
og GMD's "custom" variations on their elegant theme, if the road hadn't
specified a home-gromw paint job.
Mike Smith - 16 Feb 2010 17:02 GMT
>> Been looking at YouTube vids of layouts, there seems to be a lot more
>> colour in the freight car stock than I remember in the 1970s - I only
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> GMD's "custom" variations on their elegant theme, if the road hadn't
> specified a home-gromw paint job.

Really useful sites - Thanks Wolf, appreciated

Mike
Wolf K - 17 Feb 2010 00:38 GMT
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>> Google is your friend, especially if you're willing to try different
>> search phrases, eg "freight car gallery", "CPR freight car paint
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>
> Mike

You're welcome.

wolf k.
Rick Jones - 16 Feb 2010 07:05 GMT
> Been looking at YouTube vids of layouts, there seems to be a lot more
> colour in the freight car stock than I remember in the 1970s - I only
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> cars  I have (I need a lot of 40 foot cars, they are getting MTL
> trucks/couplers fitted)

   Colors other than boxcar, Tuscan or oxide red have been in use for a
number of decades, though it has become more widespread in recent
decades admittedly. Reefers have always been very colorful, mostly
bright yellow or orange.
   Santa Fe was painting some boxcars a bright red in the late '50s,
similar to their cabooses. In the '60s you had NYC boxcars painted jade
green, GN boxcars in their orange and green "pumpkin" scheme, and CNW
with some boxcars in green and yellow, as just a few examples.
   By the '70s GN had switched to their Big Sky Blue paint scheme, and
we were beginning to see some of the rental fleets like Railbox in more
colorful paint schemes. But boxcar, Tuscan or oxide red still dominated.
It's up to you to decide how much of a mix you want in your own fleet.

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Mike Smith - 16 Feb 2010 13:17 GMT
>> Been looking at YouTube vids of layouts, there seems to be a lot more
>> colour in the freight car stock than I remember in the 1970s - I only
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> colorful paint schemes. But boxcar, Tuscan or oxide red still dominated.
> It's up to you to decide how much of a mix you want in your own fleet.

Many thanks folks, I still have a LOT to learn!

Honestly Wolf, in the later 1970s and early 1980s in LA and San Jose I did
see a lot of box cars in the standard red/brown livery and very few in more
colourful schemes. The Ruler of the Roost was keen for me to stop building
'implements of destruction' on the dining table and encouraged a shift to
railway modelling, so I was paying attention.
In the event we moved to the UK so I modelled a British 'light railway',
loosely based on a thing called the Garstang and Knott End Railway, which
was eccentric even by British Light Railway standards. That gave me a taste
for eccentric short lines.

Regards

Mike
Mark Mathu - 26 Feb 2010 09:03 GMT
>Been looking at YouTube vids of layouts, there seems to be a lot more colour
>in the freight car stock than I remember in the 1970s - I only remember
>'freight brown' cars, heavily stained with brake dust.

By the mid-70s there were a lot of colorful cars - especially boxcars.
The "railbox" boom spawned a lot of cars blue, yellow, green red, etc.
exterior post 50' boxcars not seen before. If my corner of the world
(Midwest US) was an indication, the explosion happened very quickly
after the first Railbox car appeared.  

Now granted, I grew up near a major paper mill city (Green Bay) so the
demand for new cars was probably higher than some other places... but
the "freight car rainbow" was well in place by '76 or '77 based on all
the equipment I saw at that time.
Mike Smith - 26 Feb 2010 18:44 GMT
>>Been looking at YouTube vids of layouts, there seems to be a lot more
>>colour
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> the "freight car rainbow" was well in place by '76 or '77 based on all
> the equipment I saw at that time.

Thanks I'll do some more digging. The plan (ish) is 1950s shortline/terminal
line, but there is a shop nearby with some lovely Atlas rolling stock at
very reasonable prices, so I might just stock up then see what era I have
the stock for.
First loco arrived, Bachman Proto, so far rather impressed with the running,
waiting for magnets to arrive to play around with couplings.

Regards

Mike
Roger Traviss - 26 Feb 2010 19:12 GMT
> Thanks I'll do some more digging. The plan (ish) is 1950s
> shortline/terminal line, but there is a shop nearby with some lovely Atlas
> rolling stock at very reasonable prices, so I might just stock up then see
> what era I have the stock for.
> First loco arrived, Bachman Proto, so far rather impressed with the
> running, waiting for magnets to arrive to play around with couplings.

Mike.

Your choice of motive power may also decide your era if you want to be era
specific.

Magnets?  Have you not considered manual uncoupling?  It seems to be the
choice for most (many?) serious modellers as magnets are too restrictive.

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Mike Smith - 27 Feb 2010 12:59 GMT
>> Thanks I'll do some more digging. The plan (ish) is 1950s
>> shortline/terminal line, but there is a shop nearby with some lovely
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> Magnets?  Have you not considered manual uncoupling?  It seems to be the
> choice for most (many?) serious modellers as magnets are too restrictive.

Re the motive power, I fancy a short line as that would allow me to use
engines the line has bought 'second hand' from other outfits. First purchase
was an RS-2 (lovely looking thing it is), and I have a couple more 2/hand
engines with Arnold couplers, one being a Bachmann GP40, which may get
traded in.

I think the magnets should be okay if I fit them on sliders so they can be
moved clear of the track via a rod to the edge of the baseboard when
something is just running through.

A big part of the attraction of US outline was the magnetic uncoupling and
delayed action, allowing accurate spotting. In the past I have tried a few
systems but the only one I got on with was the MBM magnetic type, a simple
and robust hook and bar system with magnets on the track for uncoupling.
That has no delayed operation though.

Regards

Mike
 
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