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Model Forum / General / Railroads / April 2010After being refused exhibition space (Racial / Religious Discrimination) by the organisers Warners Group at The London Festival of Railway Modelling, Police Contacted
After being refused exhibition space (Racial / Religious Discrimination) by the organisers Warners Group at The London Festival of Railway Modelling, Police Contacted from Howrah Station Railwayana <railwayana @googlemail.com> to iainm @warnersgroup.co.uk date Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:34 AM subject The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 and 28 2010 mailed-by googlemail.com Dear Mr MacRae I refer to our phone conversation on Friday about exhibiting at The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 and 28 2010. I want to exhibit a non-profit cause and your GBP 202.00 and vat tax approximately fees you quoted are too expensive and thus the only route is if Warners Group Publications the organisers of the show could consider a discount. You mentioned that other non- profit groups that will be exhibiting are getting discounts. For consideration and relevance, I mentioned to you that this project is for automating a spiritual ceremony. The spiritual ceremony is related to Prabhupada (His Divine Grace) and founder of the Gaudiya Vaisnava movement who brings many thousands from the West to this Devotional Yoga path and is the living spiritual master initiating via the rail modelling system. This will be of diecast and based on the Calcutta's Howrah Station. The exhibition will allow the project to be told to others. I would be grateful if your manager can include this project and provide space for this project on the exhibition floor. I have done door-to-door flyers in December 2009 at a town of Bushey in Hertfordshire for this project. Gradually this project is starting, I hope you could allow this project as this is very relevant for the rail modelling world. Regards..... from Howrah Station Railwayana <railwayana @googlemail.com> to johng @warnersgroup.co.uk, davidb @warnersgroup.co.uk, johne @warnersgroup.co.uk cc iainm @warnersgroup.co.uk, grettar @warnersgroup.co.uk, maxines @warnersgroup.co.uk date Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM subject Complaint (Iain MacRae & Managers) about being refused from exhibiting at The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 & 28 2010 mailed-by googlemail.com FAO: J Greenwood, Publisher; D Brown, Managing Editor; J Emerson, Editor; Warners Group Publications, The Maltings, West Street, Bourne, Lincolnshire (GB) Dear Mr Greenwood, Mr Brown & Mr Emerson After having sent an email to Mr Iain MacRae (your employee) wishing to exhibit at The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 and 28 2010 as a non-profit, I was refused. The reason for being excluding by Mr MacRae when he had contacted his managers on his email is: “We do not feel it has enough to do with the genre we are basing the show on.” This was said after I had said in an email requesting participation in: “.....I hope you could allow this project as this is very relevant for the rail modelling world.” I said this because it relates to telling others about rail modelling (the “genre”) for a spiritual ceremony automation. I was not requested by anyone in your company to answer any relevancy questions. Thus I cannot really see why if the presentation is related to rail modelling why I am being excluded from exhibiting at the show. The only difference is that my presentation on rail modelling is based on Howrah Station Calcutta has a spiritual practical purpose. For that reason alone, why should I be excluded for presenting about rail modelling based on Howrah Station Calcutta? I cannot understand why I am being stopped from my exhibiting at the show when I have bought rail modelling magazines, have verbally and in writing contacted others in the rail modelling field, have railway modelling literature from the public library, written publicly about rail modelling possibilities thus expanding it's field and have arranged websites, for example actual rail one that will in some way facilitate Howrah Station modelling: http://sites.google.com/site/32rail32. I thus feel racially / religiously discriminated against and victimised by Mr Iain MacRae and the specific managers he contacted, who excluded my presentation. This I feel is illegal as it is religious / racial discrimination and victimisation. I wish to meet at the show with other railway modelling enthusiasts This attitude goes against rail modelling principles that are about inclusion and which you try and portray on your Collectors Gazette, Diecast Collector, British Railway Modelling, Ramsay's British Model Trains Catalogue and Model Railway Collector publications and also at rail modelling events, The Festival of British Railway Modelling, The London Festival of Railway Modelling and The National Festival of Railway Modelling. Could you please allow my presentation at the The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 and 28 2010 ? Please respond within next 24 hours via email. Regards..... from Howrah Station Railwayana <railwayana @googlemail.com> to John Greenwood <johng @warnersgroup.co.uk> cc David Brown <DavidB @warnersgroup.co.uk>, John Emerson <JohnE @warnersgroup.co.uk>, Iain MacRae <iainm @warnersgroup.co.uk>, Gretta Ryan <GrettaR @warnersgroup.co.uk>, Maxine Shepherd <maxines @warnersgroup.co.uk>, sallyd @warnersgroup.co.uk, stephenw @warnersgroup.co.uk date Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:54 PM subject Re: Complaint (Iain MacRae & Managers) about being refused from exhibiting at The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 & 28 2010 mailed-by googlemail.com I waited for a response and also phoned today only to be given negativity from John Emerson and Sally Dodds. Thus I have contacted the Police about racial / religious discrimination from Warners Group. Regards..... On Apr 11, 2:51 pm, Howrah Station Railwayana <railway...@googlemail.com> wrote: > After being refused exhibition space (Racial / Religious > Discrimination) by the organisers Warners Group at The London Festival [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > > Regards..... Sorry, perhaps they had enough bell ringers. I believe in religious freedoms and much as the next guy. Being of German Jewish background, my father & his family went through the Holocaust in the 1940's. He lost almost all his family to Hitler. However, including a Model of a Railway station in a religious ceremony doesn't make it a Railroad Themed Model. Pull you head out of your a.s and stop wasting government money trying to push your religious agenda on those who have no desire to hear it. Mike M > Pull you head out of your a.s > and stop wasting government money trying to push your religious agenda > on those who have no desire to hear it. Ah, but there are always going to be people who believe deep in their hearts that *THEY* are being treated unfairly if they don't get everything they want, all evidence to the contrary. > > Pull you head out of your a.s > > and stop wasting government money trying to push your religious agenda [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hearts that *THEY* are being treated unfairly if they don't get > everything they want, all evidence to the contrary. Paranoia runs deep, into your heart it will creep. - Buffalo Springfield On 4/12/2010 6:45 AM mike mueller spake thus: > I believe in religious freedoms and much as the next guy. Being of > German Jewish background, my father & his family went through the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and stop wasting government money trying to push your religious agenda > on those who have no desire to hear it. kinda reminds me of a former employer of mine. First *real* (i.e., salaried) job I had was working for a Mormon who owned a little computer-products company in Flagstaff. Guy was kind of a genius who could write assembly-language code in his head. He was also a total f.cking idiot. He went to a trade show (Comdex in Las Vegas, I think) and on the front of the display table put stacks of the Book of Mormon. Upon returning, he had to have it explained to him why this was not a good idea.  SignatureThe fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring, with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags. - Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com) > First *real* (i.e., salaried) job I had was working for a Mormon who > owned a little computer-products company in Flagstaff. Guy was kind of a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Upon returning, he had to have it explained to him why this was not a > good idea. Not uncommon. A guitar teacher who taught for a store I worked at once tried to strong-arm her students into signing a petition to outlaw the showing of the movie "The Last Temptation Of Christ" on the grounds that "It isn't the truth". She really couldn't understand why it wasn't good business for her to force her religious ideas on her students, or that no matter how many petitions people signed there was no way to outlaw a movie just because she and her church didn't like it. She just kept repeating "BUT IT'S NOT THE *TRUTH*! over and over. She stopped only when she was threatened with dismissal. Some people... I think a reality check may be in order; nobody has a right to demand space at an exhibition, as an exhibition manager myself all layouts; demos and traders are invited to attend by the organizing team, and the same goes for any exhibition. I have a waiting list of people who want to attend my show due to the fact it is very popular, constraint of space is one reason why you can’t invite everyone who wants to attend, the other is relevance to the type of show, and I am afraid a display stand with religious overtones would get a flat refusal from me too. If you want to have a stand at a show why don’t you organize a show yourself pay for the venue, and all the expenses need to set up an exhibition. I expect Warners are having a right laugh at you, and I expect most people here are too. David >After being refused exhibition space (Racial / Religious >Discrimination) by the organisers Warners Group at The London Festival [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > >Regards..... The post by Howrah Station Railwayana is a perfect example of how some people fail to realize an important point: The right to free speech does NOT include the right to have a stage to exercise the right of free speech, nor does it include the right to have an audience to hear when one exercises their right to free speech. The organizers of an event have the right to refuse an exhibitor that is not in keeping with the purpose of the event, AND they have the right to judge what is and what is not in keeping with that purpose. SignatureCalvin Henry-Cotnam "Unusual or extreme reactions to events caused by negligence are imaginable, but not reasonably foreseeable" - Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin, May 2008 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: if replying by email, remove "remove." and ".invalid" Hi there, I see NO reason here for an accusation of Racial/Religious Discrimination. I have spoken to a police officer friend who has informed me that "unless the exhibition space was devoted to the subject criteria set by the organisers, they have full powers and reasons to refuse the space. Any accusation of Racial/Religious Discrimination by the show organisers would HAVE to be PROVED. As is the requirement for ALL exhibitors ALL stands MUST be shown to be related DIRECTLY to the subject. Any discrectionary decision by the organisers to allow, for example, a layout that raises money to support a cancer charity, cannot be used as an arguement to allow ANY form of stand space" I attended the show and it was very crowded with stands. The crowds were numerous on all days, indeed the stand I went to see had VERY little stock left by the Sunday. If a court case was attempted it would only be necessary for the Warners Group to produce the list of applications, directly related to model railways, who were refused on the grounds of insufficient space. As well as being involved in model railways I also build dolls houses. If I wanted a stand, at a dolls house show/fair, that was a Scalextric layout I would not claim religious discrimination on the grounds I am a Christian. What I would like to see is a link to the stand you wanted to set up at the Ally Pally show, just so we can all see what it is you wanted to do. Then we can judge for ourselves....... Regards The Desert Shadow After being refused exhibition space (Racial / Religious Discrimination) by the organisers Warners Group at The London Festival of Railway Modelling, Police Contacted from Howrah Station Railwayana <railwayana @googlemail.com> to iainm @warnersgroup.co.uk date Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:34 AM subject The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 and 28 2010 Dear Mr MacRae I refer to our phone conversation on Friday about exhibiting at The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 and 28 2010. I want to exhibit a non-profit cause and your GBP 202.00 and vat tax approximately fees you quoted are too expensive and thus the only route is if Warners Group Publications the organisers of the show could consider a discount. You mentioned that other non->profit groups that will be exhibiting are getting discounts. For consideration and relevance, I mentioned to you that this project is for automating a spiritual ceremony. The spiritual ceremony is related to Prabhupada (His Divine Grace) and founder of the Gaudiya Vaisnava movement who brings many thousands from the West to this Devotional Yoga path and is the living spiritual master initiating via the rail modelling system. This will be of diecast and based on the Calcutta's Howrah Station. The exhibition will allow the project to be told to others. I would be grateful if your manager can include this project and provide space for this project on the exhibition floor. I have done door- to-door flyers in December 2009 at a town of Bushey in Hertfordshire for this project. Gradually this project is starting, I hope you could allow this project as this is very relevant for the rail modelling world. Regards..... |
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