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Sunday Bike Ride (Profusly Illustrated!)

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Twibil - 26 Apr 2010 08:07 GMT
Well, maybe not quite profusely.

Got on the bike this AM and set sail northwest towards Tehachapi Pass
in hopes of doing a little trainwatching.

Fist paused at the Hwy 138 junction in Cajon Pass to insert the
earplugs that I'd forgotten to bolt in at home, and took this quick
snap of the Mormon Rocks that host Sullivan's Curve: the rails are
just out of sight at the base of the rocks in this photo.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553850900/sizes/o/

It's getting difficult to photograph the curve itself, as the Forest
Service now requires you to buy a "Wilderness Adventure Pass" if you
want to get anywhere close to the tracks. (Apparently they've decided
that *they* now own all the National forest lands in southern
California and that we the people should be required to pay to get in.
#%^**+#$!!.)

From Cajon Pass I headed north on 395 to Kramer Junction (Pronounced
"Hell-hole") and turned west on Hwy 58: paralleling the BNSF tracks
running between Barstow (Pronounced "Barstool". Yes, really.) and
Mojave, CA. for about 40 miles.

Noticed that the BNSF has recently erected solar power collectors next
to some few of their block signals, but didn't stop to take pictures.
Nor could I figure out why there were collectors next to some block
signals but not others.

Rode through Tehachapi to Keene, where I exited the Freeway and
followed the (very) old highway three miles back up the hill to the
Loop; where I dismounted and pounded the dents out of my spine while I
waited for a train to show up. Took this while waiting:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553207339/sizes/o/

About five minutes later an empty BNSF hopper train came charging up
the hill and I got this sequence:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553839276/sizes/o/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553835766/sizes/o/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553831042/sizes/o/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553828946/sizes/o/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553187639/sizes/o/

Heading home I took a back road shortcut over the Tehachapi mountains
towards the Antelope Valley, planning on following the UP tracks down
through Soledad Canyon to LA, but as I crested the hill and the
Antelope Vally opened before me I almost ran off of the road: the
entire twenty miles between Lancaster/Palmdale and Gorman were covered
with literally mile upon mile of bright orange California Poppies on
the fields and hillsides.

They don't call it the California Poppy Reserve for nothing, and I've
seen the desert bloom before, but never anything like this. So I
headed due south until I was on a dirt road surrounded by several
thousand acres of blooming flowers, and took these:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553183353/sizes/o/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553799196/sizes/l/

Ran into no more good railroad photo ops, so I came home via the
Original Whistle Stop in Pasadena where I grabbed a handful of small
brass parts for future projects.

347 miles, 6 1/2 hours, 49.9 MPG, and a good time was had by all.

~Pete
Wolf K - 26 Apr 2010 15:23 GMT
> Well, maybe not quite profusely.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> California and that we the people should be required to pay to get in.
> #%^**+#$!!.)

Nah, they just don't have enough money to run the service as you want
them to. Pay more taxes, or pay user fees - your choice. We have the
same issue here.

Great pics. I especially like those poppies. WOW! We can grow them up
here, but they'r pretty anemic compared to what you see there.

cheers,
wolf k.
Twibil - 26 Apr 2010 19:53 GMT
> Nah, they just don't have enough money to run the service as you want
> them to.

"Run the service as I want them to"?  There's your basic mistake: you
assume that I (or someone) "wants" them to do thus and such; and
therefore I must be willing to pay for it.

The problem isn't what I -or what any other taxpayer- "wants". It's
that the Forest Service -just like practically every other
governmental agency- simply takes on more and more functions without
being asked, and automatically ends up not being able to pay for all
of their operations.

Then -and *only* then- they have to figure out where to get more
money.

This has to stop at some point, both because taxpayers are not a
bottomless pit and because given a free hand government will
automatically expand like a cancer until it reaches the point where
the entire system shuts down; all the best intentions notwithstanding.

> Pay more taxes, or pay user fees - your choice. We have the
> same issue here.

Our National Forests and National Parks were founded with the idea
that they belonged to, and were for the use of, *the people*, not the
State; and were to be there for the use of all citizens. (Note that
"all".)

The concept was one of the more noble things our government has ever
done, but it has slowly become a policy that says "These lands are
only for the use of people who can afford to bribe us to allow them to
use their own property".

"And oh yes: We're going to be slowly raising the rates as time goes
by until these lands are reserved for the private use of the very well-
off".

No.

That was *NOT* the idea.

~Pete
Wolf K - 26 Apr 2010 22:08 GMT
>> Nah, they just don't have enough money to run the service as you want
>> them to.
>
> "Run the service as I want them to"?  There's your basic mistake: you
> assume that I (or someone) "wants" them to do thus and such; and
> therefore I must be willing to pay for it.
[...]

Firstly, "you" is used in the generic sense, not you specifically. Guess
I should said "run the service as _someone_ wants them to."

Secondly, you sure have sensitive buttons. Just squint at 'em, and you
start a rant. Sigh.

Anyhow, gummints always do what someone wants them to do.

cheers,
wolf k.
Twibil - 26 Apr 2010 23:28 GMT
> Firstly, "you" is used in the generic sense, not you specifically. Guess
> I should said "run the service as _someone_ wants them to."

In most cases, the only people who want those things are the people
who provide them: in this case the Forest Service.

> Secondly, you sure have sensitive buttons. Just squint at 'em, and you
> start a rant. Sigh.

Gosh, you suppose that could be because you said something silly and
misleading?

> Anyhow, gummints always do what someone wants them to do.

Wow.  This is going to come as rather a shock to the billions of
people who live under dictatorships which do exactly as *they* want to
do, and who not only ignore the population's input but who kill said
population out of hand if they get too uppity.

Do the words "Tiananmen Square" ring any bells with you?

Wow again.

~Pete
Rumple Stiltskin - 26 Apr 2010 23:52 GMT
On Apr 26, 2:08 pm, Wolf K <weki...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Firstly, "you" is used in the generic sense, not you specifically. Guess
> I should said "run the service as _someone_ wants them to."

In most cases, the only people who want those things are the people
who provide them: in this case the Forest Service.

> Secondly, you sure have sensitive buttons. Just squint at 'em, and you
> start a rant. Sigh.

Gosh, you suppose that could be because you said something silly and
misleading?

> Anyhow, gummints always do what someone wants them to do.

Wow.  This is going to come as rather a shock to the billions of
people who live under dictatorships which do exactly as *they* want to
do, and who not only ignore the population's input but who kill said
population out of hand if they get too uppity.

Do the words "Tiananmen Square" ring any bells with you?
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Do the word 'hyperbole' mean anything to you?
Twibil - 27 Apr 2010 01:51 GMT
> Do the word 'hyperbole' mean anything to you?

Heh.  "Do" the word 'hyperbole'?

Do the word 'oops' mean anything to you?  No?

How about "troll", then?
Rumple Stiltskin - 27 Apr 2010 06:44 GMT
On Apr 26, 3:52 pm, " Rumple Stiltskin" <R...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Do the word 'hyperbole' mean anything to you?

Heh.  "Do" the word 'hyperbole'?

Do the word 'oops' mean anything to you?  No?

How about "troll", then?

-------------------------------------------------------

Apparently it don't: "Hyperbole (pronounced /ha?'p?rb?li/[1], from ancient
Greek ????????  'exaggeration') is a rhetorical device in which statements
are exaggerated."
Rumple Stiltskin - 27 Apr 2010 06:49 GMT
On Apr 26, 3:52 pm, " Rumple Stiltskin" <R...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Do the word 'hyperbole' mean anything to you?

Heh.  "Do" the word 'hyperbole'?

Do the word 'oops' mean anything to you?  No?

How about "troll", then?

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Mayhap you spent too long on they road sans ear plugs?
None - 27 Apr 2010 19:37 GMT
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Mayhap you spent too long on they road sans ear plugs?

I think the article "the" is preferable to the pronoun "they".
Rumple Stiltskin - 27 Apr 2010 21:07 GMT
On Apr 27, 1:49 am, " Rumple Stiltskin" <R...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Mayhap you spent too long on they road sans ear plugs?

I think the article "the" is preferable to the pronoun "they".

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Now a Grammar Nazi ...
David Nebenzahl - 27 Apr 2010 23:08 GMT
On 4/27/2010 1:07 PM  Rumple Stiltskin spake thus:

> On Apr 27, 1:49 am, " Rumple Stiltskin" <R...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Now a Grammar Nazi ...

More like a typo Nazi.

BTW, since we're all being different kinds of Nazis here, your
newsreader's quoting style (or lack thereof) could use a little work.

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Rumple Stiltskin - 28 Apr 2010 00:30 GMT
> On 4/27/2010 1:07 PM  Rumple Stiltskin spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> More like a typo Nazi.

Yahbut he was going on about the grammar of the situation.

> BTW, since we're all being different kinds of Nazis here, your
> newsreader's quoting style (or lack thereof) could use a little work.

Sometimes it does just fine. Such as this post. Other times, who knows.
Perhaps something in the quoted post throws it off.
Larry Blanchard - 27 Apr 2010 01:15 GMT
>> Secondly, you sure have sensitive buttons. Just squint at 'em, and you
>> start a rant. Sigh.
>
> Gosh, you suppose that could be because you said something silly and
> misleading?

No, you're the one being silly.  I, for one, am quite happy with the job
the Forest Service is doing for the money they get.  And I'm by no means
rich or even well off.  And I don't work for any government, either.

What you want is called anarchy and I hope, for all our sakes, that you
don't get it.

Now, back to model RRing.  My wife thinks I'm nuts because I'm detailing
the interior of a structure that no one will be able to see into after
I'm done.  I don't normally do this, but once in a while, just for the
heck of it, why not?

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Doug Wickström - 27 Apr 2010 01:28 GMT
>Now, back to model RRing.  My wife thinks I'm nuts because I'm detailing
>the interior of a structure that no one will be able to see into after
>I'm done.  I don't normally do this, but once in a while, just for the
>heck of it, why not?

Why not, indeed?  I've done it with airplanes and ships, though
in the case of the ships if the gunports are open one can see
some of the work.  Can't see the hold or the orlop, but the
detailing is there.  It's perhaps not accurate, but then no one
will ever know but me if it is or isn't.

I've given some thought to putting brew vats into the breweries.
Some of that work might even be visible.  Anyone ever try that
with the Vollmer and Walther's kits?
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Rumple Stiltskin - 27 Apr 2010 06:47 GMT
>>Now, back to model RRing.  My wife thinks I'm nuts because I'm detailing
>>the interior of a structure that no one will be able to see into after
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Some of that work might even be visible.  Anyone ever try that
> with the Vollmer and Walther's kits?

There was a micro-brewery some years ago at the north end of Newport, Oregon
with large windows on the parking lot and in the lobby allowing one to see
the plumbing. It may or may not still be there.
Twibil - 27 Apr 2010 01:54 GMT
> What you want is called anarchy and I hope, for all our sakes, that you
> don't get it.

Um, not to seem impolite, but if you read that into anything I said
then it's because *you* read it in there.
Wolf K - 27 Apr 2010 03:09 GMT
[...]
> Now, back to model RRing.  My wife thinks I'm nuts because I'm detailing
> the interior of a structure that no one will be able to see into after
> I'm done.  I don't normally do this, but once in a while, just for the
> heck of it, why not?

Because _you_ know what's in there.

Ah, the satisfaction of doing something useless just because you can do
it well.

I think it's called "art" or something. But Art doesn't think he's
useless....

wolf k.
Doug Wickström - 27 Apr 2010 03:33 GMT
>Ah, the satisfaction of doing something useless just because you can do
>it well.
>
>I think it's called "art" or something. But Art doesn't think he's
>useless....

I know all those Wrightus boys, and Art's the worst of the lot.
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Wolf K - 27 Apr 2010 03:07 GMT
[...]

>> Anyhow, gummints always do what someone wants them to do.
>
> Wow.  This is going to come as rather a shock to the billions of
> people who live under dictatorships which do exactly as *they* want to
> do, and who not only ignore the population's input but who kill said
> population out of hand if they get too uppity.

Don't be disingenuous. "Someone" does not mean "the population."
[...]

cheers,
wolf k.
David Nebenzahl - 26 Apr 2010 19:32 GMT
On 4/26/2010 12:07 AM Twibil spake thus:

> Fist paused at the Hwy 138 junction in Cajon Pass to insert the
> earplugs that I'd forgotten to bolt in at home, and took this quick
> snap of the Mormon Rocks that host Sullivan's Curve: the rails are
> just out of sight at the base of the rocks in this photo.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/33885727@N03/4553850900/sizes/o/

Funny you should mention is Sullivan's Curve: that's the illustration
for April on my OSH (Orchard Supply Hardware) calendar, showing a 4-8-4
helper leading 3 Santa Fe F-units down around the curve, in extremely
picturesque fashion, naturally. (I take it you didn't get any cinders in
your hair that day, right?)

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