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Curtis Turner - 23 Nov 2003 01:52 GMT
This is for anyone that has purchased the LDRS22 DVD from Extreme

Mine arrived today and it does not seem to work, what DVD players does it
work on (Confirmed)

It did not work in mine (Apex ) so I went out and purchased another brand
(did not work) returned it and purchased yet another name brand (did not
work)

HELP!!

I want to watch this thing ASAP Please let me know if it works on you DVD
and what Name brand and Model ??

Thanks
Curtis-
Chuck Rudy - 23 Nov 2003 02:07 GMT
>This is for anyone that has purchased the LDRS22 DVD from Extreme
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Thanks
>Curtis-

If it is from Extreme is must simply play DVD-R   Not +R,  not any other
format simply DVD-R......if you have a DVD-R capable player and it does
not work you probably have a bad disk, which happens once in a while on
ink printed disks as they are put on top of another before the ink is
completely dry.......those little fuzzy things are a pain in the asterisk

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Potrocs - 23 Nov 2003 02:37 GMT
>This is for anyone that has purchased the LDRS22 DVD from Extreme
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Thanks
>Curtis-
Don't feel stupid Curtis. I bought the LDRS 21 DVD, watched it one time, albeit
jerky, then it fried on me. Tried to run it on 3 other machines, no bueno.
Never bothered to send it back or complain, merely decided to wait to see if
the quality improved. I see by your problems, it has not. Thanks for saving me
the $$, I was considering ordering this years version. Guess I will wait yet
another year. On a brighter note, I understand ER will make it right with you
if you send it back in to get a replacement that works, as they had to do last
year. Good thing they don't make life rafts....glub...glub....

Pat G
Jerry Irvine - 23 Nov 2003 03:43 GMT
> >This is for anyone that has purchased the LDRS22 DVD from Extreme
> >
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> last
> year. Good thing they don't make life rafts....glub...glub....

Or online websites or magazines.   :)

> Pat G

Just how extreme is Extreme Rocketry?

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Kevin Trojanowski - 23 Nov 2003 16:28 GMT
> Don't feel stupid Curtis. I bought the LDRS 21 DVD, watched it one time, albeit
> jerky, then it fried on me. Tried to run it on 3 other machines, no bueno.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> if you send it back in to get a replacement that works, as they had to do last
> year. Good thing they don't make life rafts....glub...glub....

Your experience doesn't match mine.  I've only encountered one player
that doesn't like my two ER DVDs, and that's the one in this computer.
The other two I own play them just fine, as do the players of everyone
I've loaned them to.

-Kevin
Chuck Rudy - 23 Nov 2003 22:06 GMT
>> Don't feel stupid Curtis. I bought the LDRS 21 DVD, watched it one
>> time, albeit
>> jerky, then it fried on me. Tried to run it on 3 other machines, no
>> bueno.

If you are saying three other computers, the herkey jerkey is often a
memory allocation issue.  If it's on a DVD player I'm at a loss, unless
the DVDs are over one hour of playtime.  The extended encoding doesn't
work properly on all DVD-R players

>> Never bothered to send it back or complain, merely decided to wait to
>> see if
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> -Kevin

Kevin

That may  just be a software download away from working........I've
heard that many times before and it seems to have worked.  If you have a
drive which will read DVDs then it is just software you need

Chuck

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"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent. I
shall attack."

- Marshall Ferdinand Foch (1851-1929), supreme commander of allied
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Kevin Trojanowski - 23 Nov 2003 23:02 GMT
> That may  just be a software download away from working........I've
> heard that many times before and it seems to have worked.  If you have a
> drive which will read DVDs then it is just software you need

In my case, the drive doesn't even recognize the disc.

I'm using the same software as on the laptop, which plays them just fine.

I know some players have problems with these discs.

-Kevin
Jerry Irvine - 23 Nov 2003 23:13 GMT
> > That may  just be a software download away from working........I've
> > heard that many times before and it seems to have worked.  If you have a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -Kevin

Any disc that bad is simply made wrong. There are programs to check the
finalized DVD content for compatibility with a wide range of players.
Obviously this discmaster was not even run on it, much less purchased by
the publisher.

Jerry

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Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed - 23 Nov 2003 06:20 GMT
I also got mine today, and it worked fine in my Sony.

it seems that they wanted to cover as many project as possible, so
you'll see quick launches and a cutover to recovery (in some cases).  I
was disappointed with the camera focus on serveral flights once they
were airborne, and a Cert Level 3 flight where you never saw if the
recovery was OK or not.

my good friend Paul Yarnold was interviewed, and it was good to see the
guy behind the voice.  I've seen alot of faces in mags and previous LDRS
CD's, but his was a first.  Rocket was straight as an arrow too.

Some of the flights I recognized from the TDC show, like the 'stubby',
'my stinkin rocket' and the 'cow-castrophe!', but I was glad to have
watched Rocket Challenge because it covered the projects much more in depth.

the music was nice too

I'd' also like to mention that Brent included a letter of apology as to
why the shipments were delayed.  He said due to economic he had to let
go his two staff, and now its just him working 12 hour days, 6-7 days a
week.

I know what that schedule is like, because I have done it myself off and
on for two years, but I was sorry to hear about his plight.  I can see
how vendors would decide to throw in the towel, but hope that the
situation turns around soon.  We need experienced vendors in rocketry.

Anyway, if your DVD won't play in a friend's unit, I would ask Brent for
a replacement, as it may just be defective.  Hope it works out for you.

- iz

> Mine arrived today and it does not seem to work, what DVD players does it
> work on (Confirmed)
Jerry Irvine - 23 Nov 2003 08:49 GMT
> I'd' also like to mention that Brent included a letter of apology as to
> why the shipments were delayed.  He said due to economic he had to let
> go his two staff, and now its just him working 12 hour days, 6-7 days a
> week.

He has the freedom to decline advertising from at least three vendors,
so it is hard to have any sympathy whatsoever. Especially since at least
one of them is the ONLY vendor following federal law on motor access.

> I know what that schedule is like, because I have done it myself off and
> on for two years, but I was sorry to hear about his plight.  I can see
> how vendors would decide to throw in the towel, but hope that the
> situation turns around soon.  We need experienced vendors in rocketry.

Except . . . Except . . . Except . . .

> > Mine arrived today and it does not seem to work, what DVD players does it
> > work on (Confirmed)

Just Jerry

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RayDunakin - 23 Nov 2003 08:50 GMT
<< I'd' also like to mention that Brent included a letter of apology as to why
the shipments were delayed.  He said due to economic he had to let go his two
staff, and now its just him working 12 hour days, 6-7 days a week. >>

That sucks. I know in the last issue of ER he mentions that the mag was losing
money, and had to cut back on the use of color but I didn't realize things were
so bad.
Jerry Irvine - 23 Nov 2003 09:01 GMT
> << I'd' also like to mention that Brent included a letter of apology as to
> why
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> were
> so bad.

He leads the charge to demand consumers get LEUP's they do not legally
need, so what do you expect from the First Mate of the Titanic?

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Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
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Phil Stein - 26 Nov 2003 00:19 GMT
To save money, ER could be reduced to a comic book like HPR.  This
round, the joke is on the subscribers.  Come renewal time, we'll see
who gets the last laugh.

Phil Stein

><< I'd' also like to mention that Brent included a letter of apology as to why
>the shipments were delayed.  He said due to economic he had to let go his two
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>money, and had to cut back on the use of color but I didn't realize things were
>so bad.

Phil Stein
Bob Kaplow - 26 Nov 2003 01:35 GMT
> To save money, ER could be reduced to a comic book like HPR.  This
> round, the joke is on the subscribers.  Come renewal time, we'll see
> who gets the last laugh.

Is ER following in HPRs footsteps?

    Bob Kaplow    NAR # 18L    TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
        >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
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Jerry Irvine - 26 Nov 2003 02:05 GMT
> > To save money, ER could be reduced to a comic book like HPR.  This
> > round, the joke is on the subscribers.  Come renewal time, we'll see
> > who gets the last laugh.
>
> Is ER following in HPRs footsteps?

Natch. Refusing paid ads, failing schedules, poor content, whatever.

Promising MORE while delivering LESS (typical fraud or pyramid scheme).

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James Duffy - 24 Nov 2003 03:00 GMT
> This is for anyone that has purchased the LDRS22 DVD from Extreme
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I want to watch this thing ASAP Please let me know if it works on you DVD
> and what Name brand and Model ??

The list of DVD players with verified compatibility with the DVD-R
format can be found at:

http://www.apple.com/dvd/compatibility/

If your ER disc doesn't work in your home DVD player, it isn't
necessarily an indication of a problem, as many early DVD players
simply can't read the DVD-R media.  Fortunately, nearly all of the
players manufactured today can read the discs.

OTOH, if you couldn't the thing to work in three different players,
you probably have a bum disc.  The glaring giveaway here is the fact
that it didn't work on the Apex unit; the Chinese manufacturers have
generally elected to go out of their way to make the DVD players they
produce work with as many different types of media as possible.

If a DVD-ROM drive can't read your DVD-R disc, check for the latest
software and firmware updates.  If that doesn't fix the problem, you
probably have a defective disc.

Early DVD adopters (those of you who purchased more than two years
ago), it's probably time to get a new player.

James

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David Bachelder - 24 Nov 2003 12:14 GMT
When buying a new DVD player look for the term "Progressive Scan".  This
will play most any format used today.

David Bachelder
> > This is for anyone that has purchased the LDRS22 DVD from Extreme
> >
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> James Duffy
> jduffy@mac.com
BB - 24 Nov 2003 13:01 GMT
> When buying a new DVD player look for the term "Progressive Scan".  This
> will play most any format used today.

Ah, you must be a Circuit City salesman.   ;O)
Dan Chandler - 24 Nov 2003 20:52 GMT
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:52:36 GMT, "Curtis Turner"

>It did not work in mine (Apex )
>HELP!!

Which model Apex?? I have the 600A and it wouldn't play DVD-R's but i
burnt a cd with new firmware and was able to update the DVD drive. No
problems now. I know updates are available for a few other models.

Email me and i'll try to help ya out. (take all the dashes out of my
email listed or find my email on the website below)

Dan Chandler
Southern New England Association of Rocketry
http://www.snear.org/
Bob Kaplow - 25 Nov 2003 19:55 GMT
> Which model Apex?? I have the 600A and it wouldn't play DVD-R's but i
> burnt a cd with new firmware and was able to update the DVD drive. No
> problems now. I know updates are available for a few other models.
>
> Email me and i'll try to help ya out. (take all the dashes out of my
> email listed or find my email on the website below)

OK, can someone explain in simple terms, the difference between DVD-R,
DVD+R, DVD+-R, DVD<cosine30>R, etc...

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        >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
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Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed - 26 Nov 2003 04:05 GMT
for the quick and dirty, see
http://www.burndvds.ca/dvd-format-confusion-article.htm

or, for the more comprehensive FAQ, see
http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html

regards,

- iz

> OK, can someone explain in simple terms, the difference between DVD-R,
> DVD+R, DVD+-R, DVD<cosine30>R, etc...
Al Max - 28 Nov 2003 05:58 GMT
> OK, can someone explain in simple terms, the difference between DVD-R,
> DVD+R, DVD+-R, DVD<cosine30>R, etc...

Bob,

DVD-R is the dvd video format in writable from by a pc on a ink based disk.
ussually purple.
it's based on the original dvd-5 (5gig) read only  format and can store only
about 2 hours of video and audio.
Back in the day, if a movie was lonfer then 2 hours, you had to "flip the
disk" or it came on two.

most disks you get today at the video store are dvd-9 (9 gig) so you can't
do direct disk to disk copy to the dvd-r disks and have a movie fit without
rocket science done on the files.
or any 12 year old can show you how to do it I seemed to have found out, he
he.. more DCMA at work.

DVD+R newer infighing formats to make the format wars generate sales and
profits for disk makers and hardware and generally confuse normal consumers
who don't have a clue.
like beta-vhs. DVD+R and some newer formats have some kind of DCMA going for
them.

I've stayed with DVD-R for now to stay compatible with the most players.
That may change again in about a year or so.

/ArtU

> > Which model Apex?? I have the 600A and it wouldn't play DVD-R's but i
> > burnt a cd with new firmware and was able to update the DVD drive. No
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>  Save Model Rocketry from the HSA!   http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html
Chuck Rudy - 29 Nov 2003 01:10 GMT
>>OK, can someone explain in simple terms, the difference between DVD-R,
>>DVD+R, DVD+-R, DVD<cosine30>R, etc...
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
>/ArtU

Year's up!

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shall attack."

- Marshall Ferdinand Foch (1851-1929), supreme commander of allied
forces in 1918.

Dean Roth - 24 Nov 2003 22:22 GMT
> It did not work in mine (Apex ) so I went out and purchased another brand
> (did not work) returned it and purchased yet another name brand (did not
> work)

Curtis,

You probably have a bad disc. It happens. I've purchased regular DVDs
(not DVD-R) from Best Buy and gotten bad discs.

My Extreme DVD arrived today. It seems to play okay. Last year's Extreme
DVD would sometimes play and sometimes not play in the same machine. In
some machines it would play fine. I've seen the problem with other DVD-R
discs.

Dean
Phil Stein - 24 Nov 2003 23:23 GMT
I remember past ER DVDs needed some wierd CODEC.

Ray Halm wasn't at LDRS but check his web site for some videos that
are much better than the ones ER does.  As far as I know, Ray is only
doing VHS.

Phil Stein

>This is for anyone that has purchased the LDRS22 DVD from Extreme
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Thanks
>Curtis-

Phil Stein
Jerry Irvine - 24 Nov 2003 23:37 GMT
> I remember past ER DVDs needed some wierd CODEC.
>
> Ray Halm wasn't at LDRS but check his web site for some videos that
> are much better than the ones ER does.  As far as I know, Ray is only
> doing VHS.

Maybe he would lisence DVD format to a vendor with knowledge of how to
properly author a DVD on a modern mac?

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James Duffy - 25 Nov 2003 02:48 GMT
> I remember past ER DVDs needed some wierd CODEC.

Nope.  The standard DVD video format is MPEG-2.  Burn the disc in some
other format, and it'll suck on a standard TV.

Here's a good overview of the different DVD formats out there,
including an explanation of teh DVD-R format:

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq

James

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Phil Stein - 26 Nov 2003 00:14 GMT
If it was plain old MPEG-2, people wouldn't have these problems.

Thanks for the link.

Phil

>> I remember past ER DVDs needed some wierd CODEC.
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>James Duffy
>jduffy@mac.com

Phil Stein
James Duffy - 26 Nov 2003 14:36 GMT
Phil Stein <PStein@ArielSystems.spamsks.net> wrote;

> If it was plain old MPEG-2, people wouldn't have these problems.

It's not the file format of the ER disc that's causing folks
difficulty, but the physical properties of the disc.

Commercial store-bought DVD-Video discs are created by a stamping
machine: the little pits that contain the digital information are
physically pressed into a sheet of metal, then encased in a plastic
disc.  It's easy for early DVD players to read this information.

The various burnable DVD media don't have the digital data stamped
into a metal layer.  Rather, they utilize a dye layer, the
reflectivity of which changes when the data is burned in by a laser.
The differing reflectivity between the metal layer of a commercial DVD
and the dye layer of a burnable disc is what's at play here.

More recent DVD set-top players have been tweaked to play the burnable
media.  Either way, the DVD-Video format is MPEG-2 (although a whole
host a data types can be burned onto a DVD disc).

James

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