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Model Forum / General / Rockets / December 2003Antone talk to Sen Enzi re: BATFE rocket test
Or are they hiding behind John Ashcroft s skirts? After all, they are wasting,er I mean spending public money to do this crap! From what I've heard, Senator Enzi was one of several who requested to have an observer there during these "tests". So did Aerotech, TRA/NAR, etc. All such requests were turned down, citing "national security". Sounds like a copp out to me. John Hornsby > From what I've heard, Senator Enzi was one of several who requested to have an > observer there during these "tests". So did Aerotech, TRA/NAR, etc. All such > requests were turned down, citing "national security". > Sounds like a copp out to me. Especially when they turn down a senator, and blow off a letter he wrote requesting information 2 months ago. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html just to complete the reference ... from http://www.space-rockets.com/arsanews#enzi2 "October 21, 2003 - ARSA received this update from Senator Mike Enzi's office. 'We thought you would be interested in this letter Sen. Mike Enzi sent to Attorney General Ashcroft yesterday, Oct. 16, 2003. Sen. Enzi continues to pursue passage of his hobby rocket legislation. The ATF and Justice Department have warned against Sen. Enzi's legislation saying it could be dangerous. Enzi disagrees and is asking if there is any real justification to support nay sayers claims.'" Senator Enzi's letter follows at that URL - iz >>Sounds like a copp out to me. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html blow off? How do you know the BATFE "blew off" his letter? I've seen or heard nothing that indicates that....have you considered that the BATFE Utah "test" was a direct result of the Enzi letter? I have... "What is the scientific and/or technical basis for ATF's assertion that hobby rocket motors "could potentially be adaptable by terrorists for use in surface-to-air missiles capable of intercepting commercial and military planes at cruise altitude and for use in "light anti-tank" weapons capable of hitting targets from a range of nearly five miles." Please provide any documentation on which such concerns are based, as well information on all known examples of such activity." seems to me the reason they purchased all those rocket engines was for these tests was because of the above request by Sen. Enzi....... They obviously do not/did not have any data to back up their initial false claims so they decided to go out and try and prove them.... luckily they almost burned themselves up.......and these are our protection against terrorists, right? shockie B) > > Sounds like a copp out to me. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > blow off? How do you know the BATFE "blew off" his letter? I've seen or > heard nothing that indicates that....have you considered that the BATFE Utah [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > luckily they almost burned themselves up.......and these are our protection > against terrorists, right? Right. > shockie B) > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! > http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html  SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate at iKobo.com c/o my email. >> tests was because of the above request by Sen. Enzi....... They obviously do >> not/did not have any data to back up their initial false claims so they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Right. With a government like this, who needs terrorists to blow up vans? Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > >> tests was because of the above request by Sen. Enzi....... They obviously > >> do [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > With a government like this, who needs terrorists to blow up vans? The "tewwowists" are the red herring to justify the NAZI state. Show me your papers! In every local burg! Jerry "Yes, this means that once again, Jerry Irvine is correct: yellow glue is just as strong (or maybe stronger) than epoxy for paper and wood." - Bob Kaplow "I find it very interesting to see the virtual lack of common sense, technical expertise, and political consciousness in some of the responses to your postings. Sometimes I wonder what the use would be in responding. Seems some of these folks are not just in left field but are in the street outside the stadium as well. Keep it up." "Perhaps Bob Kaplow is just interested in preventing an organization that can't seem to follow its own rules, or make those rules known even to members who have agreed to uphold them, from destroying High Power Rocketery as we know it by bringing the regulators at the FAA and BATF down on our heads like a carload of manure." - Donald Qualls "GOVERNMENT IS COERCION. Allow one group to use government to advance an agenda, no matter how well intentioned, and everyone else will want to use its force for their own ends." Harry Browne for President in 1996! SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate at iKobo.com c/o my email. << With a government like this, who needs terrorists to blow up vans? >> At least the terrorists are smart enough to use actual explosives instead of flammable solids. > blow off? How do you know the BATFE "blew off" his letter? I've seen or > heard nothing that indicates that....have you considered that the BATFE Utah > "test" was a direct result of the Enzi letter? I have... I thought they had something like 10 days to respond to a senator... Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > > blow off? How do you know the BATFE "blew off" his letter? I've seen or > > heard nothing that indicates that....have you considered that the BATFE > > Utah > > "test" was a direct result of the Enzi letter? I have... > > I thought they had something like 10 days to respond to a senator... Cite. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate at iKobo.com c/o my email. > > > blow off? How do you know the BATFE "blew off" his letter? I've seen or > > > heard nothing that indicates that....have you considered that the BATFE [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cite. The $100,000 cite. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate at iKobo.com c/o my email. >blow off? How do you know the BATFE "blew off" his letter? I've seen or >heard nothing that indicates that....have you considered that the BATFE Utah >"test" was a direct result of the Enzi letter? I have... But, if that were the case, it would fall on them to INVITE Senator Enzi to the tests - to *prove* that their assertions are valid. Or would I be missing something...? :-) >>blow off? How do you know the BATFE "blew off" his letter? I've seen or >>heard nothing that indicates that....have you considered that the BATFE Utah [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Or would I be missing something...? :-) Yes, you are missig something. You need to lower your IQ by 50 or more points so you can think like the Guvermint... Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html if they can't trust a U.S. Senator, they have alot bigger problems than mere terrorists - iz > From what I've heard, Senator Enzi was one of several who requested to have an > observer there during these "tests". So did Aerotech, TRA/NAR, etc. All such > requests were turned down, citing "national security". > if they can't trust a U.S. Senator, they have alot bigger problems than > mere terrorists They can't trust the U.S. Senator to remain quiet while they fail at shooting down the plane and then have to fake the results to get what they want. > if they can't trust a U.S. Senator, they have alot bigger problems than > mere terrorists This should be posted in the Washington Post. Prepare some copy, about 200 - 400 words (citesand URL's may be used to conserve space) and I will run an ad. Just ACTION Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate at iKobo.com c/o my email. > From what I've heard, Senator Enzi was one of several who requested to have an > observer there during these "tests". So did Aerotech, TRA/NAR, etc. All such > requests were turned down, citing "national security". I want to FOIA the video of the test where they burned up the rental truck. SOme day, their incompetence and stupidity will be front page news, and they'll be run outr of DC with their heads still up their a$$e$. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > > From what I've heard, Senator Enzi was one of several who requested to have > > an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > SOme day, their incompetence and stupidity will be front page news, and > they'll be run outr of DC with their heads still up their a$$e$. I propose we make that sooner, not later. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate at iKobo.com c/o my email. > I want to FOIA the video of the test where they burned up the rental > truck. Right! Nothing they're doing involves any technology not well documented or readily available, so the "national security" cover is clearly bogus. Indeed, we could have told them what was likely to happen.... len. > > I want to FOIA the video of the test where they burned up the rental > > truck. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > len. But would you have, or would you have let them fail just to be sure there was Keystone Cop footage in the national archives? Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate at iKobo.com c/o my email. >> > I want to FOIA the video of the test where they burned up the rental >> > truck. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But would you have, or would you have let them fail just to be sure > there was Keystone Cop footage in the national archives? This video could be second on the list right behind the Boosted ARCAS... Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > This video could be second on the list right behind the Boosted ARCAS... > > Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" I'm not familiar with that one, do tell! -JT >> This video could be second on the list right behind the Boosted ARCAS... > > I'm not familiar with that one, do tell! The ARCAS was either closed breech launched, or "boosted" on top of something like a Nike as a second stage. It's not quite stable at rest! Well, one Wallops launch the Nike catoes real good. The fast frame camera follows the burning propellant chunks until the ARCAS, now resting on the beach, with electronic timer for second stage ignition thinks that it's time for it to do something. It ignites, plays land shark around the launch area, and heads for the ocean. Then it pops out again, thrashes around some more, chases some techs around the range, and finally hits the ground and cracks its casing. Any one able to transfer BETA tape to something that will play on the net? Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > Any one able to transfer BETA tape to something that will play on the net? There is a transfer service I use in hollywood that can do it and it's pretty cheap too for short segments like that. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate at iKobo.com c/o my email. Wow, I'd love to see that clip. Here's a place that can do the transfer http://avconvert.com/dvd/from_beta.html. It's just the first one that Google gave me. I assume that there is no sound, maybe you could get them to dub the theme to "Benny Hill" or some such. Ha Ha! -JT >>>This video could be second on the list right behind the Boosted ARCAS... >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > Wow, I'd love to see that clip. Here's a place that can do the transfer > http://avconvert.com/dvd/from_beta.html. It's just the first one that > Google gave me. I assume that there is no sound, maybe you could get > them to dub the theme to "Benny Hill" or some such. Ha Ha! Actually, it already has a sound track dubbed in. Drums and whistle. Can't recall the name of the catchy tune... Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > >> This video could be second on the list right behind the Boosted ARCAS... I have not seen that since the early to mid 70s. you got to find a beta to mpg conversion bob. You'd be an internet hit, post it. > > I'm not familiar with that one, do tell! > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html > From what I've heard, Senator Enzi was one of several who requested to have an > observer there during these "tests". So did Aerotech, TRA/NAR, etc. All such > requests were turned down, citing "national security". In a recent U.S. News and World Report article concerning the new secretiveness in the current administration (which started the afternoon of W's inauguration--before 9/11) there is rampant and unjustified use of citing "national security" to avoid divulging even innocent information to the public. The Freedom of Information Act is being enormously curtailed so don't count on getting the straight scoop on anything any more. Scott McCrate NAR 71680 |
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