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Kevin B. Keehn - 29 Jan 2004 04:06 GMT
It was 18 short years ago today that a crew of seven lost their lives persuing
their dream. I found it sad that there was no mention in the Chicago Tribune
today. Hopefully, Sunday will at least bring a comment when they commorate the
Columbia.
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JDcluster - 29 Jan 2004 08:17 GMT
Wow, It's been that long already?
How Ironic that I was home from school on a snow day back in '86.
Today was another snow day for the local schools as well.

How time flies.

JD

> It was 18 short years ago today that a crew of seven lost their lives persuing
> their dream. I found it sad that there was no mention in the Chicago Tribune
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David Erbas-White - 29 Jan 2004 08:37 GMT
Here's some brief thoughts I sent to some newsgroups I'm on Tuesday
night (the timing is relevant to the writing of the piece).  Take them
for what they're worth...

David Erbas-White

===============================

In Remembrance of the Future

Well, it's that time of year again...

It's been 37 years since Apollo 1 burned on the pad, during a pre-flight
test.  We lost Gus Grissom, Ed White, and Roger Chaffee in that one.  To
this day I think there continues to be plenty of soul-searching, but
fortunately the loss of these three heros led to a revamping of the
Apollo Command Module, that in all probability allowed us to actually
reach the moon -- and without further loss of life.

In one more day it will be 18 years since the Challenger disaster, where
7 brave souls were lost just moments after their flight began.  As with
JFK's death, I think everyone knows where they were when they first
heard about Challenger.  In that one, we lost Michael Smith, Dick
Scobee, Judith Resnik, Ronald McNair, Ellison Onizuka, Gregory Jarvis,
and Christa McAuliffe.  I have very mixed feelings about Challenger, and
I don't know if I can put them into words, but I'll try.  I can
understand 'go fever', even as I condemn it.  I was glad that a
"non-astronaut" was going aboard, a teacher named Christa McAuliffe, but
I was mortified that the shuttle's safety record was forever marred on
THIS flight.  I cried for the astronauts, for their families whose joy
was soaring with their loved ones dreams, only to be cast into despair
in less time than it took to take a breath.  And Richard Feynman,
already a titan, rose even higher with his simple yet devastating
challenges to the cause of the system failure.

In just a few more days, on Sunday morning, it will be 1 year since we
lost Columbia, on what was to all intents and purposes a 'routine'
mission, when everything seemed safe, and even the worries about one of
the largest foam strikes every seen to a shuttle were being played
down.  They were lost during reentry, and as with Challenger, I both
cried for them, and wondered how horrible those last seconds must have
been.  Here, we lost Rick Husband, William McCool, Michael Anderson,
David Brown, Kalpana Chawla, Laurel Clark, and Ilan Ramon.  In many
ways, this was the worst of the three tragedies for me.  Part of this
was the pure unexpectedness of it, because we've gotten so complacent
over the years about re-entry.  Part of it was the fear that this might
be related to terrorism, in this post 9/11 world.  Part of it was the
fear that having lost a second shuttle, that America would stand down
its space program, as we no longer seem to be the nation of risk-taking
individuals that MADE this nation.  One of the things that quelled those
fears was seeing the immense strength of character in the families of
the Columbia crew -- without exception, they said that we MUST move on
in space exploration.

As I think about the crews of these three missions, I'm struck be
something that I've never really pondered before.  Even though all three
missions could, conceivably, have been prevented, man isn't perfect, and
mistakes will be made.  Each loss that these missions forced on us, also
forced a re-evaluation of the what and how of space exploration, and
helped to perfect it for the future.  And frankly, that is evident by
the tragedies themselves.  Apollo 1 didn't even make it to launch.  
Challenger was still on its way to orbit.  But Columbia was almost home.

As horrific as each of these events was, they demonstrate the progress
that has been made over the decades.  The first one was pre mission, the
second was beginning of mission, the third was end of mission.  We are
moving forward.  We've been paying the price, but we're moving forward.  
Now that we have a new mission, that of a lunar base and Mars
exploration, I think it's about damned time we honor the memories of all
of these fallen astronauts by moving towards the future, strongly and
with purpose.  Not forgetting them, by any means, but by bringing their
memories along for the ride.

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Randy - 29 Jan 2004 13:27 GMT
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Nice post.

Always remember those who've paid the ultimate price.

Randy
hiltyt@weinerboy.org - 29 Jan 2004 13:58 GMT
>Here's some brief thoughts I sent to some newsgroups I'm on Tuesday
>night (the timing is relevant to the writing of the piece).  Take them
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>
>In Remembrance of the Future

<snip>

Well, NASA's remembered:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20040128a.html
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20040127b.html

Pretty neat.

tah

--

Tod A. Hilty
Hilty Information Systems

Do not look in the direction of the flash...
Curl up in a ball as you hit the ground...

Please replace weinerboy dot org with adelphia dot net for reply.
Bob Kaplow - 30 Jan 2004 01:07 GMT
> As horrific as each of these events was, they demonstrate the progress
> that has been made over the decades.  The first one was pre mission, the
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> with purpose.  Not forgetting them, by any means, but by bringing their
> memories along for the ride.

Insightful comments. I'm recalling what John Glenn said that night after the
Challenger tragedy. I don't reclal the exact words, but he saidthe only
surprising thign about it is that we got SO FAR into our manned space flight
program before the first in-flight deaths.

STS is NOT your SUV. It's not even a model T ford. It isn't even a Conestoga
wagon traveling across the continent. And half of them never made it to
their destinations. Yet people continued to go west. As must we continue to
the stars.

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RayDunakin - 30 Jan 2004 01:48 GMT
<< STS is NOT your SUV. It's not even a model T ford. It isn't even a Conestoga
wagon traveling across the continent. And half of them never made it to their
destinations. Yet people continued to go west. As must we continue to the
stars. >>

I may be a bit cynical, but I think the real show-stopper of the shuttle
disasters isn't the loss of life, but rather the massive cost of the shuttles
themselves.

Compare experimental aircraft to the space shuttle... I think it's safe to say
that more pilots have died testing aircraft than have died in the space
program. Yet crashes of experimental aircraft are barely noticed, compared to
the political and media circus surrounding the crash of a space shuttle.

You can name countless other transportation system that have killed far more
people than any spacecraft. If a jetliner goes down, it can kill hundreds of
passengers and crew, but they keep flying them. If each jet cost as much as a
space shuttle, they'd be grounded for years after the first crash, just as the
shuttle was.
Bob Kaplow - 30 Jan 2004 02:23 GMT
> << STS is NOT your SUV. It's not even a model T ford. It isn't even a Conestoga
> wagon traveling across the continent. And half of them never made it to their
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> program. Yet crashes of experimental aircraft are barely noticed, compared to
> the political and media circus surrounding the crash of a space shuttle.

Military jet development usually costs a couple crashes and a test pilot per
prototype. Drunk drivers killed more people today than space travel has
killed in the history of humanity.

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Bob Kaplow - 30 Jan 2004 01:01 GMT
> It was 18 short years ago today that a crew of seven lost their lives persuing
> their dream. I found it sad that there was no mention in the Chicago Tribune
> today. Hopefully, Sunday will at least bring a comment when they commorate the
> Columbia.

IIRC it was listed on the "this day in history" page, next to the obits.

And the day before (Tuesday) was the 37th anniversary of the Apollo-1  fire.
Spirit and/or Oportunity carried memorials to these fallen astronaut heros.

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Shawn Switenky - 30 Jan 2004 18:18 GMT
> It was 18 short years ago today that a crew of seven lost their lives persuing
> their dream. I found it sad that there was no mention in the Chicago Tribune
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I was sitting in 'library' class in high school, when some came up to
me, the space geek, and told me that the shuttle just blew up.  Yeah,
right.  It took pictures to prove it to me.

I had a job at the local television station at the time, and I had
them keep the news clippings from their teletype for me.  I still have
them.  I go look at them every once in a while.

I also tuned into NASA-TV last Feburary to catch the landing that
never happened.  I guess in some superstious way, I figured that
nothing would ever happen if I was watching.  But it did.

Strangely enough, I had bought tickets just days before to go and
watch my first ever space shuttle launch.  Even convinced a few
friends of mine to go along.  It's been almost a year now and the
airline will not keep the tickets for me any longer, so next week I'm
going to go to the space center again.  But unfortunately, I won't get
to see the space shuttle launch.  Maybe, if I'm lucky I'll get to see
a Atlas on Feb 5.

You know, it really hurts me to hear in the press all this space
shuttle bashing.  It's a fine vehicle.  I'd gladly ride the next one.

Shawn
 
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