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Model Forum / General / Rockets / February 2004Judge to Jerry Irvine: Sit Down/Shut Up
Jerry do you want to tell everyone here what happened in the Aerotech bankruptcy hearing a couple days ago or do you want me to? OK OK I'll do it... Jerry Irvine stood up at the bankruptcy proceedings to approach the judge during the introductions and announced his name and that he had a plan for reorganization of Aerotech. The judge asked him if he was lawyer. "No". The judge asked him if he was a bidder. "No". The judge told him to shut up and sit down. You could almost hear the snickering in the courtroom. It was a riot! Tom What a hoot.. If it was only that easy on RMR.. Fred > Jerry do you want to tell everyone here what happened in the Aerotech > bankruptcy hearing a couple days ago or do you want me to? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tom It was TRA's fault - TRA formed a conspiracy with the judge. They paid off the judge with the missing motors stolen by TMT. My dog ate Jerry's lawyer license. It was an act of god. 8-) >What a hoot.. If it was only that easy on RMR.. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Tom << It was TRA's fault - - TRA formed a conspiracy with the judge. - They paid off the judge with the missing motors stolen by TMT. - My dog ate Jerry's lawyer license. - It was an act of god. >> You forgot some: - I'm not a lawyer, I'm a consultant to a law firm which wishes to remain unidentified. - I have a license to practice law right here. Just give me a second to white out the name of the guy I bought it from and write in my own name. - Restricting the practice of law to licensed lawyers is an illegal restraint of trade. - The ABA has been sitting on my application for months. - I don't want to discuss this.* - I don't want to adress this anymore.* *Jerry's favorite answers to tough questions at his reinstatement hearing, July 18, 2001. You forgot: Let's take it to email..(;-) > << It was TRA's fault - > - TRA formed a conspiracy with the judge. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > *Jerry's favorite answers to tough questions at his reinstatement hearing, July > 18, 2001. > << It was TRA's fault - > - TRA formed a conspiracy with the judge. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > July > 18, 2001. This was a post by Ray Dunakin.  SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv ROTF! -- Joe Michel NAR 82797 L1 http://home.alltel.net/jm44316/ > Jerry do you want to tell everyone here what happened in the Aerotech > bankruptcy hearing a couple days ago or do you want me to? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tom > ROTF! > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >>Tom so the man has guts that, and his good intentions are not diminished by the protocol issue - iz >so the man has guts Your man choked. Tom >>so the man has guts > > Your man choked. following a judges instruction is not "choking" it is being prudent - iz << Your man choked. >> You left out the words, "should be". ;) It was a wise choice. If a judge gets pissed he can put you in jail or fine you. That sucks but that's the way it is. >>so the man has guts > >Your man choked. > >Tom > >so the man has guts > > Your man choked. > > Tom The day for analyzing my results has not arrived yet. I would estimate the probablility of succeeeding at saving errortech using my proposal is now down to 20%. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >I would estimate the probablility of succeeeding at saving errortech >using my proposal is now down to 20%. Why the honest self-evaluation on RMR? Not like you usually. Tom > >I would estimate the probablility of succeeeding at saving errortech > >using my proposal is now down to 20%. > > Why the honest self-evaluation on RMR? Not like you usually. > > Tom Unless you misinterpret the rest of my posts :) SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv << I would estimate the probablility of succeeeding at saving errortech using my proposal is now down to 20%. >> Considering your less than stellar track record with USR, I'd say the probability was never more than 0%. << so the man has guts>> No brains though. <<that, and his good intentions are not diminished by the protocol issue >> "Good intentions" my Aunt Fanny! > >>Jerry do you want to tell everyone here what happened in the Aerotech > >>bankruptcy hearing a couple days ago or do you want me to? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - iz Sit down and shut up..(;-) Fred > Sit down and shut up..(;-) yes, that is the standard response from the TRA BoD when a member expresses his concerns about their unethical conduct I see you have it down - iz > > Sit down and shut up..(;-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - iz Ha, but it didn't work..(:-) BTW, no BOD member has ever told me to sit down and shut up. I know I piss them off, every once in a while; especially when I go off on them about the HPR pamphlet. But I got great news; I got my membership extended the last time and it looks like it may have to happen again. Fred Fred JI: "I'm sorry your Honor. I can't sit down because I have an Iz stuck in the crack of my a.s." -- Joe Michel NAR 82797 L1 http://home.alltel.net/jm44316/ > > ROTF! > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - iz > JI: > "I'm sorry your Honor. I can't sit down because I have an Iz stuck in the > crack of my a.s." I sat down immediately and the judge was 100% respectful despite any comments to the contrary. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > so the man has guts > > that, and his good intentions are not diminished by the protocol issue > > - iz That's "one way" to look at it. I am on the record as not denying the criticism of my effort "to date". SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > Jerry do you want to tell everyone here what happened in the Aerotech > bankruptcy hearing a couple days ago or do you want me to? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a plan for reorganization of Aerotech. The judge asked him if he was > lawyer. "No". The judge asked him if he was a bidder. "No". Correct so far. > The judge > told him to shut up and sit down. > > You could almost hear the snickering in the courtroom. It was a riot! > > Tom The statutory time to even make a reorganization plan has not arrived yet. My filing served its intended purpose. The judge asked the debtor several questions directly from it. Now there is an asset accounting in process, and either the assets will be sold, a Chapter 7 will be filed, or there will be a reorganization plan. If Gary is able to outbid the other folks (unlikely) then status quo remains. If my reorganization plan is ultimately implemented, the status quo will remain. If the assets are sold to a third party there is no promise of anything except liquidation. Glad to have entertained you. My appearance on the record was not "necessary" to my goal. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >The statutory time to even make a reorganization plan has not arrived >yet. My filing served its intended purpose. The judge asked the debtor >several questions directly from it. A person who represents himself in court... You certainly drove THAT point home. Tom > >The statutory time to even make a reorganization plan has not arrived > >yet. My filing served its intended purpose. The judge asked the debtor [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tom Watch. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>The statutory time to even make a reorganization plan has not arrived >>yet. My filing served its intended purpose. The judge asked the debtor [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tom Some things (people included) never change. No matter how many decades go by. >> Correct so far. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Jerry Jerry, Didn't Momma Gump say "Stupid is as stupid does" Jeff Barnes TRA #2267 << My filing served its intended purpose.>> And what might that purpose be, hmm? Screwing Gary and AT. <<If my reorganization plan is ultimately implemented, the status quo will remain.>> Why the hell would the judge have any interest in some screwball "plan" concocted by a crackpot who is neither a lawyer, a bidder, or even a creditor? You're just some nutjob who can't even run his own business properly, much less anyone else's. <<If the assets are sold to a third party there is no promise of anything except liquidation. >> I'm sure that would please you greatly. <<Glad to have entertained you. My appearance on the record was not "necessary" to my goal. >> Everything about you is unnecessary. > << My filing served its intended purpose.>> > > And what might that purpose be, hmm? Screwing Gary and AT. Quite the opposite... I think Jerry hopes to keep AT as one functioning entity (under "new ownership"), as distinct from having it liquidated piecemeal to meet claims from the other fire victims. (_That_ would be "screwed" - it seems that Jerry has/had some sort of hopes of arranging an alternative.) -dave w << I think Jerry hopes to keep AT as one functioning entity (under "new ownership"), >> If he truly thinks he could save AT when he can't even get his act together with USR, he's even more delusional than I thought. BTW, would this be another unidentified mystery "owner" who would refuse to cooperate with getting motors certified, like the one Jerry claims is the manufacturer of his current motors? <<as distinct from having it liquidated piecemeal to meet claims from the other fire victims. >> My guess is, that's precisely what he's hoping for and is the most likely outcome of any interference by Jerry. > << I think Jerry hopes to keep AT as one functioning entity (under "new > ownership"), >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My guess is, that's precisely what he's hoping for and is the most likely > outcome of any interference by Jerry. 1. "Couldn't get his act together" is clearly and exclusively in the context of TRA/NAR blackballing, banning, and illegal provisions. 2. Filings in Bankruptcy court are determined strictly by procedure, judicial opinion, and the comments of the parties. I have an infinitely better chance in the second example. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv It's been documeted in court that Gary tried to screw his creditors by attempting to buy the assets of AT for a lowball number. At least what Jerry is doing (within the context of this message) is legal and much closer to ethical than what Gary has tried. ><< My filing served its intended purpose.>> > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Everything about you is unnecessary. > It's been documeted in court that Gary tried to screw his creditors by > attempting to buy the assets of AT for a lowball number. At least > what Jerry is doing (within the context of this message) is legal and > much closer to ethical than what Gary has tried. Thanks. I guess. Jerry > ><< My filing served its intended purpose.>> > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > >Everything about you is unnecessary. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > It's been documeted in court that Gary tried to screw his creditors by > attempting to buy the assets of AT for a lowball number. At least > what Jerry is doing (within the context of this message) is legal and > much closer to ethical than what Gary has tried. Based in the bankruptcy filings that were posted, it appears that the bulk of the "creditors" are actually other victims of the fire, such as businesses in neighboring units of the damaged building complex, who appear to be turning around and pressing claims against Aerotech for their own losses. (It's not clear how justifiable the claims actually are, but I suspect that AT's ability to effectively contest them may have been lost with the forced abandonment of its own case against the LVFD). Under these circumstances, I don't really know what is or isn't "ethical" with respect to trying to separate out the motor manufacturing process, in operational form, from the corporate entity targeted by such claims. -dave w > Under these circumstances, I don't really know what is or isn't "ethical" > with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -dave w Anything judicially approved is ethical. By definition. Gary's (lawyer) biggest mistake so far was a defective pleading preventing the judge from giving it to him lock, stock, and barrel (literally). Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv Trying to steal it for $30k & then when caught offering $200k should tell you something shouldn't it? >> It's been documeted in court that Gary tried to screw his creditors by >> attempting to buy the assets of AT for a lowball number. At least [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >-dave w > Jerry do you want to tell everyone here what happened in the Aerotech > bankruptcy hearing a couple days ago or do you want me to? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tom heheheheh, that reminds of the courtroom scene in Wild Things when Robert Wagner stands up in and trys to address the court only to have the judge slam him in front of everyone! Ted Novak TRA#5512 << Jerry Irvine stood up at the bankruptcy proceedings to approach the judge during the introductions and announced his name and that he had a plan for reorganization of Aerotech. The judge asked him if he was lawyer. "No". The judge asked him if he was a bidder. "No". The judge told him to shut up and sit down. >> LOL!!! |
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