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Model Forum / General / Rockets / March 2004Life free or die?
I find it truly ironic Jim from www.trailertrashaerosopace.com, a southwest firm, has to tell Fred Wallace and his cronies, from DELAWARE area about seeking freedom in the face of injustice. The fact that the northeast contingent caves in to illegal permits and literally does not even lift a finger to advocate compliance with the law as written tells me our country is well on its way on a trip down the toilet. Led with pride by MDRA. The founders are turning in their graves. Jerry  SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > I find it truly ironic Jim from www.trailertrashaerosopace.com, a > southwest firm, has to tell Fred Wallace and his cronies, from DELAWARE [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Jerry you didn't take your pills yesterday, did you? Did you run out? >> Jerry > > you didn't take your pills yesterday, did you? Did you run out? It's the moon. Almost full. Be prepared for several days of this type of stuff. SignatureAlex Mericas > >> Jerry > > > > you didn't take your pills yesterday, did you? Did you run out? > > It's the moon. Almost full. Be prepared for several days of this > type of stuff. Sounds like DG is complaining that Jerry isn't taking enough drugs... -dave w Jerry Irvine wrote: > I find it truly ironic Jim from www.trailertrashaerosopace.com, a > southwest firm, has to tell Fred Wallace and his cronies, from DELAWARE > area about seeking freedom in the face of injustice. > > The fact that the northeast contingent caves... Did you know that Delaware is the only state in the Union that doesn't have any caves. I read that in a book about caves when I was a kid. Peter "just trying to add something positive while staying on topic" Alway Saturn Press PO Box 3709 Ann Arbor, MI 48106-3709 http://members.aol.com/satrnpress/saturn.htm Free scale data at: http://yellowjacketsystems.com/alway/Default.htm Also, Delaware does not have any sales tax. >Jerry Irvine wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Free scale data at: >http://yellowjacketsystems.com/alway/Default.htm Which means you wouldn't get charged Sales Tax on your fee to enter a cave, If they had any. > Also, Delaware does not have any sales tax. and is a great place to incorporate ! > >Jerry Irvine wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Free scale data at: > >http://yellowjacketsystems.com/alway/Default.htm Jerry: << The fact that the northeast contingent caves... >> Peter A. << Did you know that Delaware is the only state in the Union that doesn't have any caves. >> Yep. That's why they need contingent caves. :) > Jerry: > << The fact that the northeast contingent caves... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yep. That's why they need contingent caves. :) So the PEOPLE cave in to make up forit? OIC SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >Jerry: ><< The fact that the northeast contingent caves... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Yep. That's why they need contingent caves. :) Ya mean like the mine shaft gap? > Jerry Irvine wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Did you know that Delaware is the only state in the Union that doesn't have any > caves. I read that in a book about caves when I was a kid. Without Caves, they would not have any magic "peter dirt" used to make Salt Peter, used in black powder. Did you know "Peter Dirt" is created by nature from bat droppings ? So bat droppings are powering our competition rockets. Drifting offf topic while trying to add something positive. This post was brought to you by the letters D,C, and P. > Peter "just trying to add something positive while staying on topic" Alway > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Free scale data at: > http://yellowjacketsystems.com/alway/Default.htm There is adequate information contained on our web page for a reasonable person to decide to join MDRA. Such opinions as you describe, of those who are non members, are irrelevant trash talking. When you and you friends, openly practice defiance of federal law and expose yourselves fully to the scrutiny of the ATF, please submit a position paper on the results, in detail, describing your experience. MDRA has a good and healthy relationship with Federal, State, and local government agencies. We plan to keep it that way. We have standing wavers for almost every weekend of the year, at our launch sites; we can schedule launches at will. While we are not out west, our 14,000 foot waver is pretty good for an east coast location, less than 50 miles from the nations capital. Our openness with authorities has allowed MDRA the freedom to launch, without encumbrance. Fred Wallace MDRA # 007, Member, MDRA BOD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I find it truly ironic Jim from www.trailertrashaerosopace.com, a > southwest firm, has to tell Fred Wallace and his cronies, from DELAWARE [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Jerry Let's fix this. There is adequate information contained on our web page for a reasonableperson to decide to join MDRA. Such opinions as you describe, of those who are non members, are irrelevant trash talking. When you and you friends, openly practice defiance of federal law andexpose yourselves fully to the scrutiny of the ATF, please submit a position paper on the results, in detail, describing your experience. MDRA has a good and healthy relationship with Federal, State, and local government agencies. We plan to keep it that way. We have standing wavers for almost every weekend of the year, at our launch sites; we can schedule launches at will. While we are not out west, our 14,000 foot waver is pretty good for an east coast location, less than 50 miles from the nations capital. Our openness with authorities has allowed MDRA the freedom to launch, without encumbrance. Fred Wallace MDRA # 007, Member, MDRA BOD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I find it truly ironic Jim from www.trailertrashaerosopace.com, a > > southwest firm, has to tell Fred Wallace and his cronies, from DELAWARE [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Jerry } Let's fix this. } } There is adequate information contained on our web page for a } reasonableperson to decide to join MDRA. Such opinions as you } describe, of those who are non members, are irrelevant trash } talking. That sounds fair to me. } When you and you friends, openly practice defiance of federal } law andexpose yourselves fully to the scrutiny of the ATF, } please submit a position paper on the results, in detail, } describing your experience. But that sounds like irrelevant trash talking to me. Kind of negates the other. I'd rather stay away from something suggested by someone who does that. } MDRA has a good and healthy relationship with Federal, State, } and local government agencies. We plan to keep it that way. } We have standing wavers for almost every weekend of the year, } at our launch sites; we can schedule launches at will. While } we are not out west, our 14,000 foot waver is pretty good } for an east coast location, less than 50 miles from the } nations capital. Our openness with authorities has allowed } MDRA the freedom to launch, without encumbrance. Ever heard the phrase "No PR is bad PR"? It's not true. > } Let's fix this. > } [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the other. I'd rather stay away from something suggested by someone > who does that. Your opinion and choice, there is nothing to debate.. However, in retrospect, I should of left the statement out, as it's content is irrelevant to MDRA's position and was only my personal observation. Thanks for exciting my brain..(;-) > } MDRA has a good and healthy relationship with Federal, State, > } and local government agencies. We plan to keep it that way. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ever heard the phrase "No PR is bad PR"? > It's not true. I'm not sure I follow your comment.. BTW, the statement is not only good PR, it is factual. Fred The Jerry side of Jizzy wrote: << The fact that the northeast contingent caves in to illegal permits and literally does not even lift a finger to advocate compliance with the law as written tells me our country is well on its way on a trip down the toilet. >> I'm sure Jerry is well acquainted with the interior regions of toilets and sewer systems. However, his insistence that the nation is headed there due to the refusal of one local club to allow him to shill motors at their launches, is laughable. > When you and you friends, openly practice defiance of federal > law Huh? Advocating and following the law 27 CFR 555.141-a-8 is in NO WAY acting in defiance of the law, sir. > and > expose yourselves fully to the scrutiny of the ATF, please [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > authorities has > allowed MDRA the freedom to launch, without encumbrance. FAA has NOTHING whatsoever to do with ATF. I am not surprised at all you changed the subject however. Jerry > Fred Wallace > MDRA # 007, Member, MDRA BOD [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > Huh? Advocating and following the law 27 CFR 555.141-a-8 is in NO WAY > acting in defiance of the law, sir. >> Fred Wrote >> When you and you friends, openly practice defiance of federal >> law and expose yourselves fully to the scrutiny of the ATF, >> please submit a position paper on the results, in detail, >> describing your experience. You forgot the part above.. Are you selling motors Jerry? Are you shipping them by common carrier? I know the answer to both questions; "no I am not, because I'm afraid the feds will arrest me and put me in jail". I did not change the subject and when you have completed you assignment, please submit your report, many of us would like to see it. Fred Jerry, No offence intended, but I have been lurking for some time. I have resisted for a while, but now feel that I just gotta ask.... What sense is there in not obtaining whatever stupid permit that ATF/NRA/TRA/UPS, or whoever insists that you obtain? I mean, if you do not get the permit(s) for whatever reason, then you cannot carry on business, correct? I understand that you inisist that you do not need to get whatever permit(s) we are talking about, but what is the point in NOT getting it/them if no one will agree to ship/certify/buy your motors? I would welcome another motor producer: BP or AP. It would produce some semblance of competition, and that would benefit the hobby. Based on the posts I have read, I understand that there I some sort of issue of principle involved. What is the point of sticking by your principle over permits, when the alternative is to effectively close down your business? It just seems like you are shooting yourself in the foot.... Fred Talasco just an doe-eyed innocent RMR observer..... > You forgot the part above.. Are you selling motors Jerry? > Jerry, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What sense is there in not obtaining whatever stupid permit that > ATF/NRA/TRA/UPS, or whoever insists that you obtain? I obtained it. I tendered it. I posted it for the world to see that I tendered it. The point is if they (NAR/TRA) are not going to accept it anyway, and THEY are going to sue the ATF over not needing it, why should I need it? If I do NOT tender it and do not NEED it they cannot refuse it. Now this may sound as strange to you as it does to me, but I assure you that is what happened and that is why I take the position I now do. At no time has MY ATF agent ever required propellant to be a magazine item. YMMV. Jerry > I mean, if you do not get the permit(s) for whatever reason, then you > cannot carry on business, correct? 27 CFR 555.141-a-8 Therefore, incorrect. > I understand that you inisist that > you do not need to get whatever permit(s) we are talking about, but [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Fred Talasco > just an doe-eyed innocent RMR observer..... I hope I DIRECTLY and COMPLETELY addressed your VALID questions. > > You forgot the part above.. Are you selling motors Jerry? SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > > No offence intended, but I have been lurking for some time. I have > > resisted for a while, but now feel that I just gotta ask.... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jerry BS Jerry.. Are you shipping motors in commerce?? But I have great news: There is a new motor manufacture in town, with all federal permits in place and newly recognized by TRA as a motor manufacture able to present motors for certification. Just a little hint; the manufacture is on the east coast. However, I will allow the official notification process to make the announcement; very soon Jerry. Boy are you going to be surprised... Fred Jerry - quite posting here, get off your a.s & do what you have to do to certify, legally manufacturer & ship your motors. Jerry's snitches have probably already told him who the new guy is anyway. Congratulations. Way to go new guy!!! >> > No offence intended, but I have been lurking for some time. I have >> > resisted for a while, but now feel that I just gotta ask.... [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Fred > Jerry's snitches have probably already told him who the new guy is > anyway. > > Congratulations. Way to go new guy!!! Yes and ditto. Remember I am the one who says there should be 20 new vendors, not just ONE. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > Jerry. Boy are you going to be surprised... I am never surprised Fred. People feel compelled to tell me other people's business. Besides it's darn easy to get TRA to accpet a new motor vendor. Just agree to an anti-Jerry pledge. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > Besides it's darn easy to get TRA to accpet a new motor vendor. Just > agree to an anti-Jerry pledge. > > Jerry > > -- More jerry FUD... Mind if I test you theory? I'd make the pledge & see what happens. >> Jerry. Boy are you going to be surprised... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Jerry Shouldn't that have been "Live free or die"? Jerry I would choose die for you. You will never be a factor in rocketry. You will bever be a factor in the motor industry. You will always be a factor in an un-moderated chat room where you make up alter ego's to back up your position. AKA JIZZ or IZ It must suck to wake up every day knowing that you had a chance to be a part of a thriving business in rocketry but instead chose to be such a piece of crap. Ripping off countless people and then sitting at your computer all day long (on a side note- how pathetic) posting an anti TRA message to almost every thread no matter what the topic. Be careful who you ship to. Your next order could be to the wrong place. > I find it truly ironic Jim from www.trailertrashaerosopace.com, a > southwest firm, has to tell Fred Wallace and his cronies, from DELAWARE [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Jerry > You will never be a factor in rocketry. to late, he already is. For some time. Longer than most, in fact. > You will bever be a factor in the motor industry. see above > It must suck to wake up every day knowing that you had a chance to be > a part of a thriving business in rocketry it sucks to wake up every day and imagine how robust the rocket motor market *could* have been throughout the "motor famine" brought about by the AT fire against a background of exclusionary certification policies had those policies not been created by an organization intent on manipulating and controlling the rocket motor market it sucks to wake up every day and imagine how the regulatory enviornment would be less oppressive and the state of rocketry flourish in the safe haven provided by an effective rocketry advocacy, had the organization's leadership actually had the courage of their convictions and fulfilled their trusts but it must really suck to wake up everyday knowing that you are among a group of people responsible for the potential (impending?) dissolution of TRA and loss of its 501(c)3 tax exempt status, and criminal charges for fraud and malfeasance; and just be waiting for the ax to fall especially given that so much evidence is available and is being circulated and analyzed by a fair number of competent people who share a commitment to routing the corruption that has undermined the organizations effectiveness and which has sabatoged our best chance for a comprehensive rocketry exemption that must REALLY suck - iz > > You will never be a factor in rocketry. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > leadership actually had the courage of their convictions and fulfilled > their trusts Well said sir! > but it must really suck to wake up everyday knowing that you are among a > group of people responsible for the potential (impending?) dissolution [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > that must REALLY suck I wouldn't know but I know a few people who do :) > - iz SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv All talk no action. Let's hear from you AFTER you have compelling evidence posted. >> You will never be a factor in rocketry. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >- iz > All talk no action. Let's hear from you AFTER you have compelling > evidence posted. you look compelling evidence in the face and deny it for example, do you deny that TRA falsified motor certfications by listing motors as certified for which no delay testing had been performed, as required by NFPA 1125? - iz > > All talk no action. Let's hear from you AFTER you have compelling > > evidence posted. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - iz If they did, at this point in time, irrelevant to the present, just as your wasted effort is, iz. Fred >>do you deny that TRA falsified motor certfications by listing motors as >>certified for which no delay testing had been performed, as required by >>NFPA 1125? > If they did, at this point in time, irrelevant to the present, just > as your wasted effort is, iz. so you ARE among those that think past sins should be left in the past, and people who committed them should continue be entrusted with positions in leadership or influence, no? rest assured that the "efforts" of those of us who are acting to expose the corruption in TRA are by no means "wasted", and have already yeilded a respectable response from similarly concerned members watch - iz > watch That's my line :) SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > All talk no action. Let's hear from you AFTER you have compelling > evidence posted. Filed not posted. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>All talk no action. Let's hear from you AFTER you have compelling >>evidence posted. > > Filed not posted. it's surprising how many want to see the Genie let out of the bottle, eh Jerry? that it is merely being cloned and fed should be sufficient, or so we hope (earnestly!) - iz |
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