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Model Forum / General / Rockets / March 2004Sit Down/Shut Up Jerry
Anyone have a video of that action in court? > Anyone have a video of that action in court? anu one have a video of the meeting where Dick Embry came around the table fists bared and had to be restrained? - iz > > Anyone have a video of that action in court? > > anu one have a video of the meeting where Dick Embry came around the > table fists bared and had to be restrained? > > - iz That's more likely since cameras are not allowed in that court. I asked :) Nothing feeds the trolls and critics more than giving them exactly what they want :) 27 CFR 555.141-a-8  SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv No but I hope you were at the table. 8-) >> Anyone have a video of that action in court? > >anu one have a video of the meeting where Dick Embry came around the >table fists bared and had to be restrained? > >- iz Is this one more imaginary episode that you didn't witness? >> Anyone have a video of that action in court? > >anu one have a video of the meeting where Dick Embry came around the >table fists bared and had to be restrained? > >- iz > Is this one more imaginary episode that you didn't witness? No, it's real. The victim lurks and occasionally posts to RMR. He's confirmed being attacked at an LDRS "board meeting" by Dick Embry. I've spoken first hand to at least one witness who has the incident on tape. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html I'd like to see the video. Can he post it on AMBR? Anyone that would do that has to be a major (or is that Lt. Col.) AH. >> Is this one more imaginary episode that you didn't witness? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html << No, it's real. The victim lurks and occasionally posts to RMR. He's confirmed being attacked at an LDRS "board meeting" by Dick Embry. >> I can think of a couple folks who could get that kind of reaction out of almost anyone, and who would deserve being on the receiving end. > << No, it's real. The victim lurks and occasionally posts to RMR. He's > confirmed being attacked at an LDRS "board meeting" by Dick Embry. >> > > I can think of a couple folks who could get that kind of reaction out of almost > anyone, and who would deserve being on the receiving end. Nobody "deserves" to be on the receiving end of such behavior. -dave w >><< No, it's real. The victim lurks and occasionally posts to RMR. He's >>confirmed being attacked at an LDRS "board meeting" by Dick Embry. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -dave w What about Stalin? > >><< No, it's real. The victim lurks and occasionally posts to RMR. He's > >>confirmed being attacked at an LDRS "board meeting" by Dick Embry. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What about Stalin? Does some parallel to "Godwin's Law" apply here? :) -dave w Yes. Discussion is over, Dave Grayvis loses. > > >><< No, it's real. The victim lurks and occasionally posts to RMR. He's > > >>confirmed being attacked at an LDRS "board meeting" by Dick Embry. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -dave w > Yes. Discussion is over, Dave Grayvis loses. At least we are in full agreement. > > > >><< No, it's real. The victim lurks and occasionally posts to RMR. He's > > > >>confirmed being attacked at an LDRS "board meeting" by Dick Embry. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > -dave w SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv << Nobody "deserves" to be on the receiving end of such behavior. >> Dave, were you one of those guys in school who went around harassing people until they were ready to fight back, knowing that if they popped you, they'd be trouble for "fighting" and you'd get off scot-free? > << Nobody "deserves" to be on the receiving end of such behavior. >> > > Dave, were you one of those guys in school who went around harassing people > until they were ready to fight back, knowing that if they popped you, they'd be > trouble for "fighting" and you'd get off scot-free? No. I wasn't. -dave w > << Nobody "deserves" to be on the receiving end of such behavior. >> > > Dave, were you one of those guys in school who went around harassing people > until they were ready to fight back, knowing that if they popped you, they'd be > trouble for "fighting" and you'd get off scot-free? (what a civilized world we live in, where bullies are glorified) - iz > > << Nobody "deserves" to be on the receiving end of such behavior. >> > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - iz So much so, now the government has instituted an anti-bully program. I wonder if it will be enforced zero-tolerance as a means to increase employment of program leaders? Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv Zero Tolerance is liberal teacher speak for zero initiative. You don't have to figure out who was right and who was wrong, they all are guilty. Try teaching a kid to stand up for himself in today's environment. The bully doesn't care because he's a dead-end loser anyway and bad attention is better than no attention. The kid trying to defend himself get's labeled as a bad kid, potentially including alternative schools. Jerry would like zero tolerance because then he could finally win an argument. Izzy would like zero tolerance because he could quote the rulebook. > So much so, now the government has instituted an anti-bully program. I > wonder if it will be enforced zero-tolerance as a means to increase > employment of program leaders? > Izzy would like zero tolerance because he could quote the rulebook. nope I previously acknowledged that all three of my kids are 18 months away from their Black Belts in Shotokan Karate (they are all now Brown II) those who have the ability and confidence rarely find themselves in fights, except perhaps in defense of others not unlike those acting in defense of rocketry against the TRA corruption and their agenda of market dominance and regulatory surrogacy? - iz Ray - I you were smart, you would have popped him where there were no witnesses. Then you could deny it. I'm not saying I would even do such a thing, Just an observation. ><< Nobody "deserves" to be on the receiving end of such behavior. >> > >Dave, were you one of those guys in school who went around harassing people >until they were ready to fight back, knowing that if they popped you, they'd be >trouble for "fighting" and you'd get off scot-free? > Ray - I you were smart, you would have popped him where there were no > witnesses. Then you could deny it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>until they were ready to fight back, knowing that if they popped you, they'd be >>trouble for "fighting" and you'd get off scot-free? so if a Director of TRA who, while processing election returns adds 12 votes to his tally to insure his retaining his BoD position, has no one around to witness it, it isn't wrong (because he can simply "deny" it)? but then again, maybe there was witness after all ;) - iz Hey asswipe - First, your supposed to filter my messages.. Second, I said not that I would do such a thing. Third, Try to read & understand messages before you try spinning them into your TRA conspiracy theory. >> Ray - I you were smart, you would have popped him where there were no >> witnesses. Then you could deny it. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >- iz > so if a Director of TRA who, while processing election returns adds 12 > votes to his tally to insure his retaining his BoD position, has no one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - iz You are bordering on, if not already stating, libelous slander. In addition, you may have lost any remaining respect you may have retained, but I doubt you care.. Fred >>so if a Director of TRA who, while processing election returns adds 12 >>votes to his tally to insure his retaining his BoD position, has no one [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You are bordering on, if not already stating, libelous slander. your assertions are false the more pertinent question is, what should be done about it? Or are you among those that think past sins should be left in the past, and people who committed them should continue be entrusted with positions in leadership or influence? > In addition, you may have lost any remaining respect you may have > retained, but I doubt you care.. what I "care" about, Fred, is that the truth is made available and the corruption is excised so we can get on with the business of rocketry advocacy. I take for granted that everyone learning the truth would be motivated according to their disposition as would Gregg D. Renkes, Attorney General for the State of Alaska how many examples of "abuse of authority" do you think would take to cross that threshold? http://tinyurl.com/2tuqt -- ARTICLE V - BOARD OF DIRECTORS SECTION 14. INDEMNIFICATION OF DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS (b) Acts of willful misconduct, dereliction of duty, voluntary criminal actions by officers or directors will be exempt from indemnification. -- does it have to come to that? - iz > what I "care" about, Fred, is that the truth is made available and the > corruption is excised so we can get on with the business of rocketry > advocacy. I take for granted that everyone learning the truth would be > motivated according to their disposition. Who made you the so call savior of rocketry? You are like a loud voice in a crowd, it's heard, but most of the time you don't remember what was said and after wail no one cares anymore, there is just to much noise. > as would Gregg D. Renkes, Attorney General for the State of Alaska > > how many examples of "abuse of authority" do you think would take to > cross that threshold? I'm sure you have a number in mind. However, I suggest you quit banging on the hornets nest, you might not like the end result. > does it have to come to that? It never will, the thrill would be gone for you. You will milk this until you have pulled a vacuum.. > - iz Fred > > so if a Director of TRA who, while processing election returns adds 12 > > votes to his tally to insure his retaining his BoD position, has no one [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Fred It is not libel if it is true. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv I think Jizzy was. Or at least one of those types that would go around quoting every rule in the book to the teacher to show how important he was. > << Nobody "deserves" to be on the receiving end of such behavior. >> > > Dave, were you one of those guys in school who went around harassing people > until they were ready to fight back, knowing that if they popped you, they'd be > trouble for "fighting" and you'd get off scot-free? > I think Jizzy was. Or at least one of those types that would go around > quoting every rule in the book to the teacher to show how important he was. not even close - iz SO are you saying that behaior is justified? ><< No, it's real. The victim lurks and occasionally posts to RMR. He's >confirmed being attacked at an LDRS "board meeting" by Dick Embry. >> > >I can think of a couple folks who could get that kind of reaction out of almost >anyone, and who would deserve being on the receiving end. > > Anyone have a video of that action in court? > > anu one have a video of the meeting where Dick Embry came around the > table fists bared and had to be restrained? > > - iz "Fists bared" is a normal condition of all humans in an indoor situation. "Had to be restrained" is a subjective appraisal of the situation. Nobody knows the outcome of the events if he hadn't been restrained. next? (jus havin' fun izzy) steve > anu one have a video of the meeting where Dick Embry came around the > table fists bared and had to be restrained? I've heard from someone that does. And was threatened if he ever showed it to any one or made copies. Contact me privately and I'll give you the name if you need to subpoena it. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html >>anu one have a video of the meeting where Dick Embry came around the >>table fists bared and had to be restrained? > > I've heard from someone that does. And was threatened if he ever showed it > to any one or made copies. Contact me privately and I'll give you the name > if you need to subpoena it. this, despite the injunction in the By Laws! And a BoD member should be setting a good example! -- ARTICLE IV - MEMBERS DUTIES AND OBLIGATIONS SECTION 3. OTHER DUTIES (excerpted) Members shall ... conduct themselves in a proper manner to uphold the dignity of the corporation at meetings ... -- and while we're on the subject of the *current* By Laws: -- ARTICLE V - BOARD OF DIRECTORS SECTION 14. INDEMNIFICATION OF DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS (a) To indemnify a director, officer, or former director or officer of the corporation or a person who has served at its request as a director or officer. The officers and directors shall be fully and wholly indemnified to the extent permitted under Alaskan statutes 10.20.0011(14). This will also include indemnification against charges against the director or officer by virtue of their performance or interpretation of those or other sections of the bylaws. (b) Acts of willful misconduct, dereliction of duty, voluntary criminal actions by officers or directors will be exempt from indemnification. -- that last paragraph is applicable to several parties on multiple counts, BTW - iz |
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