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Model Forum / General / Rockets / April 2004so how long does it take for the industry to implement regulatory relief?
I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they are still stipulating (as they have since last year) that ProXX motors will not be shipped "without a valid LEUP on file"... what's up with that, after the court ruling and all? -dave w > I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they are still > stipulating (as they have since last year) that ProXX motors will not be shipped > "without a valid LEUP on file"... what's up with that, after the court ruling and > all? Buy them instead from places that have understood they were exempt. http://www.countdownhobbies.com/auction.html https://secure.consumersinterest.com/performancehobbies/store.asp?groupid=32 902113819491 on the other hand, I have seen dealers always asking for a LEUP on mail orders/phone orders, yet do easy access in person at the store, or on the field must be a CYA type of thing. > -dave w > > I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they > are still [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Buy them instead from places that have understood they were exempt. I told you so. Until recently that was "empty set". Is it still?  SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv Per an earlier post here today by someone else, K. Good of the TRA BOT is working with the legal team to find out what impact, if any, the ruling has on reloads. (clarifying other stuff too, so I hear) I doubt any vendor will "throw open the gates" until that happens. Most vendors will error on the side of "safe" when it comes to the BATFE. That's why some are requiring a LEUP for "Easy Access". Remember, if a vendor aquires something that requires a LEDP and storage, then sells it to a non-permit holder, there is a break in the paper trail that the BATFE requires (and can inspect without notice at any point) > I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they are still > stipulating (as they have since last year) that ProXX motors will not be shipped > "without a valid LEUP on file"... what's up with that, after the court ruling and > all? > > -dave w > I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they are > still [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -dave w Point! SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they are still >stipulating (as they have since last year) that ProXX motors will not be shipped >"without a valid LEUP on file"... what's up with that, after the court ruling and >all? This is Blacksky we're talking about here. The website probably gets updated once or twice a year. Most rocketry vendors are very small businesses. They don't all have the time to immediately update their websites on things like these. Brian Elfert > >I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they are still > >stipulating (as they have since last year) that ProXX motors will not be shipped [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Most rocketry vendors are very small businesses. They don't all have the > time to immediately update their websites on things like these. That's understandable, but you'd think they would jump right on something that's (unnecessarily, now) going to drive away sales... -dave w >That's understandable, but you'd think they would jump >right on something that's (unnecessarily, now) going to >drive away sales... I can't imagine Blacksky really sells that many motors. They are mostly know for launch equipment and electronics. Blacksky was originally the U.S. distributor of Pro38 motors, but I think Cesaroni might be selling to dealers direct now. Brian Elfert > > >I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they > > >are still [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -dave w Stating the obvious will get you attacked by trolls Dave. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they are still >stipulating (as they have since last year) that ProXX motors will not be shipped >"without a valid LEUP on file"... what's up with that, after the court ruling and >all? > >-dave w You should report the offending vendor to the NAR/TRA legal team, just as if it was the BATFE doing the offending. Alan What do you expect to accomplish by doing that? About all it will do is run up the legal bills. Blacksky is within their rights to do that. Don't waste your time. Go to another vendor. >>I note that according to the BlackSky website at www.blacksky.com, they are still >>stipulating (as they have since last year) that ProXX motors will not be shipped [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Alan > What do you expect to accomplish by doing that? About all it will do > is run up the legal bills. > > Blacksky is within their rights to do that. How? > Don't waste your time. Go to another vendor. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > >Alan SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv WHat do you mean how? When is a vendor not free to ask for whatever he wants before he sells something to someone? It might cause people not to buy from him but he can ask for anything he wants. >> What do you expect to accomplish by doing that? About all it will do >> is run up the legal bills. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > >> >Alan If the TRA really wanted to shut down rocketry they would require all flights to use USR motors. :-) > WHat do you mean how? When is a vendor not free to ask for whatever > he wants before he sells something to someone? It might cause people [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >> > > >> >Alan > WHat do you mean how? When is a vendor not free to ask for whatever > he wants before he sells something to someone? When what he asks for is set forth in FEDERAL LAW and REGULATION as to when it is permissible and when it is not. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv Federal law says when it's required not when you are allowed to ask for it. He's within his rights. >> WHat do you mean how? When is a vendor not free to ask for whatever >> he wants before he sells something to someone? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Jerry > > WHat do you mean how? When is a vendor not free to ask for whatever > > he wants before he sells something to someone? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jerry Show me what law Black Sky is violating buy not willing selling motors to anyone without an LEUP. Federal, State, Local. Being a contractor to NASA, I bet if they sought the advise of counsel, this is what they would hear. You might have a shot challenging them in civil court, but probably a VERY long one, given the current social enviroment, current litigation, and general confusion.....to which you contribute to daily. Jerry said so just doesn't work anymore..... Jeff Barnes TRA #2267 I've had vendors (non rocketry related) ask to see a drivers license if I write a check. Last I checked there was no "law" that said I had to present a DL to get slim-jims and cheetos! I guess that JI considers this illegal to! "Please send $5, and you too can get a degree from 'Jerry's school of armchair law'. If you act now, you'll not only get a 'cap snaffler', but also a 'bass-o-matic'! Also, if you are one of the first 10 callers, you'll get a copy of the 'That is libel and I will take you to court' letter, personally signed by JI!" > > > WHat do you mean how? When is a vendor not free to ask for whatever > > > he wants before he sells something to someone? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jeff Barnes TRA #2267 I hate to break it to you, but here in California it IS against the law. Apparently, as of about a year and a half ago, it's 'theoretically' illegal for vendors to ask for the drivers license. I only found out about this because my local Radio Shack (where I've shopped for almost 20 years) stopped taking checks because of this. They only take cash, or debit/credit cards now. David Erbas-White >I've had vendors (non rocketry related) ask to see a drivers license if I >write a check. Last I checked there was no "law" that said I had to present [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Here in AZ, I've been asked for a DL when using a debit card, even though my debit card has a photo on it! I can't say that's a bad thing.. If I lost my check/debit card, it does ME a service to insure that I'm really the one using it! (the pic on my debit card is 10 years old). (but then again, my current DL is valid until 2018) We all understand that CA is kind of a "lost in the cosmos" kind of place.. I'm just waiting for CA to start siding up towards Alaska (it won't "fall into the ocean", as plate tectonics are the engine!) :) But isn't CA one of the states that requires/or is about to require a photo ID to vote? Or get government benefits? > I hate to break it to you, but here in California it IS against the law. > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >> > >>Jeff Barnes TRA #2267 >>What do you expect to accomplish by doing that? About all it will do >>is run up the legal bills. >> >>Blacksky is within their rights to do that. > > How? They can refuse service to anyone they so desire. |
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