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Joel Corwith - 28 May 2004 20:47 GMT
Please don't post anything but rockets this weekend.  If we can handle one
day, maybe 2,....

Simple criteria.  Before pressing send ask yourself "is this post a
question/answer related to designing, building, or flying a model rocket?".

Feel free to delete the message if it's not.

Joel. phx

This group is only as good as the restraint of it's posters.  Posting the
same statement over and over again {obviously} isn't going to change
anyone's mind or reach some -magical- conclusion.  Naturally, you're free to
respond to this post, but doing so kind of defeats the message (even the "I
agree"s).  I'll not respond further.

Happy flights and keep the pointy end up.
Randy - 28 May 2004 21:35 GMT
> Please don't post anything but rockets this weekend.  If we can handle one
> day, maybe 2,....

Sounds like a good idea to me. I'd liked to think everyone will go along
with it.

> Simple criteria.  Before pressing send ask yourself "is this post a
> question/answer related to designing, building, or flying a model rocket?".

You realize Joel, this requires some intelligence, not to mention some
consideration for the others of the group.

Why not get started by listing what you happen to be working on or your
flight plans for the holiday weekend?

We're hoping to get some repairs, building and flying done by Monday
evening. If the weather is good, we'll spend Monday eating BBQ and burning
off some excess engines. There was a nice rain here today, so the fire
hazard is gone for us.

I hope you guys in California get some rain soon and the fire problems there
cease.

Randy
Phil Stein - 28 May 2004 21:48 GMT
Nice try but you know everything that is wrong in rocketry & the
government can be traced back to TRA illegally decertifying Jerry's
motors.

>Please don't post anything but rockets this weekend.  If we can handle one
>day, maybe 2,....
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>
>Happy flights and keep the pointy end up.
Reece Talley - 29 May 2004 03:40 GMT
My 11th graders will be launching their projects Sunday AM. We've got a
couple of LOC Viper IVs, some scratch-built cluster jobs, a knock-off V-2, a
whole bunch of heavily bashed Shecter Egg Lofters (they must deliver the egg
a clean 300 feet up so boosters and or dual stages have been added), a
couple of Vaughn Brothers EX 24s, at least three different Big Daddy cluster
jobs, a Comanche 3, about 15 TFN 18mm rockets, a couple of gliders, an LOC
4" V-2, a RV Machbuster (we lost this one four years ago and then found it
last year. It is still beautiful. The BMW paint that the kid's father
applied really held up well), and a few others that I can't recall.  Most
will be burning BP motors, a few, as noted above will be using AP motors.
IIRC, we will be launching a couple of 29mm G160s and G240s as well.  One
student is trying for some big altitude using a G008 on a modified Mean
Machine. So, it looks like a day of fun. I will be trying out my new
Magnablaster (looks like it's gonna kick butt). Lets just hope the winds are
merciful. We will be launching from around 7:30 AM until about 11:00 AM in
an effort to avoid some of the wind.

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R. J. Talley
Teacher/James Madison Fellow
NAR #69594
NRA #133073736

> Nice try but you know everything that is wrong in rocketry & the
> government can be traced back to TRA illegally decertifying Jerry's
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> >
> >Happy flights and keep the pointy end up.
AZ Woody - 29 May 2004 05:06 GMT
This is kind of rocketry related, but I'll be spending the weekend making
sure that the Hybrid system I have cooling and heating my house keeps
working.  It's a gas/liquid device who's purpose in life is to discharge
cool air into the house when it's hot, and to eject warm air when it's cold.
(Trane Xe 900).  The only recovery device is a cold brew if the thing
doesn't fly.

I do think that I got it fixed, after getting qoutes that it would cost $60
for having someone show up to just look at it, to $3k-$5k to replace it, as
it was "too old to work on" (it was made in 89)

I scratched my head, and said "this ain't rocket science",  got out my VOM
and read the schmatic.....

Got the part in the mail today (I could NOT find anyone that would sell it
to me locally).

End result, it was <$6 plus shipping ($1)..

Darn, I hate Hybrids!  All they do is pass gas, and then only when
everything is 100% to their liking!  Then you need an "expert" to even
understand the problem. I spent far too much time trying to get this Hybrid
to fly!

But I'm "chillin" now! (should be over 100 this weekend!)
David Weinshenker - 29 May 2004 05:34 GMT
> This is kind of rocketry related, but I'll be spending the weekend making
> sure that the Hybrid system I have cooling and heating my house keeps
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>
> End result, it was <$6 plus shipping ($1)..

This is one of those refrigeration cycle heat pumps? They're basically
an air conditioning mechanism with a "reversing valve" to exhange the
indoor and outdoor coils between the warm side and cool side of the
refrigerant circuit.

So what was the part you replaced?

-dave w
DaveL - 29 May 2004 06:32 GMT
> > Got the part in the mail today (I could NOT find anyone that would sell it
> > to me locally).
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>
> So what was the part you replaced?

For $6.00, I'll guess the motor starting capacitor.
AZ Woody - 30 May 2004 02:39 GMT
That's what it was!  It had just been replaced 3 years back (by a service
guy), and there was a second one, that was not even "in the loop".  When the
"functioning one" was installed, the old one was only using one terminal, as
a splice! (2 wires to one terminal, nothing to the other).  The thing that
confused me, was that the motor (the fan in this case) would start except
when the unit was in the sun, and often run correctly, but once in a while,
would just quit after running for 3-5 minutes.

The functioning cap wasn't mounted to anything (just hanging by wires), and
it did appear that at some time it had "sparked" against the frame.  The
bracket was there, and even the "removed screw", but seems when it was
replaced, the extra step of screwing it was never done!

Hey, less than $10 to fix and I learned allot! (like never to call the AC
folks that said I should just replace the whole unit!)

Yup..  It's a heat pump

> > > Got the part in the mail today (I could NOT find anyone that would sell it
> > > to me locally).
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>
> For $6.00, I'll guess the motor starting capacitor.
Jerry Irvine - 29 May 2004 21:29 GMT
> Nice try but you know everything that is wrong in rocketry & the
> government can be traced back to TRA illegally decertifying Jerry's
> motors.

I know this comment is made in jest, but it is more truthful than you
realize.

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Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
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RayDunakin - 29 May 2004 22:29 GMT
>> Phil Steinwrote:
>> Nice try but you know everything that is wrong in
>> rocketry & the government can be traced back to
>> TRA illegally decertifying Jerry's motors.

Big Fine replied:
> I know this comment is made in jest, but it is more
> truthful than you realize.

Jerry, you can't handle the truth.
Carl D Cravens - 29 May 2004 03:57 GMT
> Please don't post anything but rockets this weekend.  If we can handle one
> day, maybe 2,....

Yea!  As a new reader to rmr (but certainly not Usenet), I have to say
that my introduction to this group has been less than pleasant...  in just
a handful of days, I've killfiled a religious argument, multiple threads
involving a lawbreaker and his detractors throwing mud at each other, and
another mud-slinging argument over safety (apparently greatly complicated
by both sides talking past each other or just misunderstanding), and an
argument about the ability of model rockets to be used in terrorist
activity.

Some of these conversations cover very important topics.  But they're
being carried on in a most uncivil and _unhelpful_ manner.

I came here looking for rocketry information and I see more name-calling
than anything else.  If this is what rocketry hobbiests are like in
general, it sure makes _me_ want to run right out and find people just
like you bunch in my local area, so I can experience this kind of
"friendly debate" in person!

Is this the impression you want to give people of this hobby?

If you can take a piece of advice to a newbie in your group, I'd like to
add one more bit to Joel's...  before you post, ask yourself, "Is this
post going to display the members of my hobby in a good light?"

Oh, and Hi!  I'm Carl, I live in Kansas, and I built my first rocket in
the 7th grade (can you say "Alpha III"?), then promptly lost it on its
second flight and didn't bother with a second.  Now I'm 35 and my
4-year-old son thinks rockets are pretty nifty (he likes the Gumby video a
lot), and he's given me an excuse to explore a hobby I've always been
interested in but could never justify the time for.  We've flown an "RTF"
Patriot, and just finished building and painting our Quark last night.
Hoping the weather cooperates for a launch this weekend.

Glad to meet y'all, even if you've been a bit unruly.

--
Carl D Cravens (raven@phoenyx.net)
Old immortals never die, they just... don't.
shockwaveriderz - 29 May 2004 19:19 GMT
carl:

www.rocketryforum.com

100% rocketry 100% ontopic 100% of the time...

shockie B)

> > Please don't post anything but rockets this weekend.  If we can handle one
> > day, maybe 2,....
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> Carl D Cravens (raven@phoenyx.net)
> Old immortals never die, they just... don't.
Jerry Irvine - 29 May 2004 21:28 GMT
> carl:
>
> www.rocketryforum.com
>
> 100% rocketry 100% ontopic 100% of the time...

Well, maybe not 100%!

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv

Jerry Irvine - 29 May 2004 21:28 GMT
> Some of these conversations cover very important topics.  But they're
> being carried on in a most uncivil and _unhelpful_ manner.

Now you understand rmr!

> I came here looking for rocketry information and I see more name-calling
> than anything else.  If this is what rocketry hobbiests are like in
> general, it sure makes _me_ want to run right out and find people just
> like you bunch in my local area, so I can experience this kind of
> "friendly debate" in person!

You cannot. rmr is "special".

> Is this the impression you want to give people of this hobby?

> Glad to meet y'all, even if you've been a bit unruly.
>
> --
> Carl D Cravens (raven@phoenyx.net)
> Old immortals never die, they just... don't.

Signature

Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv

Al Gloer - 29 May 2004 04:00 GMT
I'm going to spend as much of the weekend as possible doing some catch up
finishing.

1. Edmonds Deltee Thunder - needs about an hour
2. LOC Viper III - Fin Repair
3. Sumo - Repaint
4. Finish initial build of an Outlander
5. Try and get the fin can of my Sudden Rush and Endeavor completed

Non Rocketry - finish my Niles OS-6 / ADCOM GFA535 install so I can listen
to the stereo whilst soaking in the spa.

And If I start feeling to productive, I'll VPN into work and try to reduce
my e-mail inbox to zero.

That 'bout covers it.

Oh yeah and reserve a couple of hours while funny furrin guys who wished
they drove NASCAR take a 500 mile jaunt in Indianapolis.

> Please don't post anything but rockets this weekend.  If we can handle one
> day, maybe 2,....
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Happy flights and keep the pointy end up.
Gary Crowell / VCP - 29 May 2004 19:15 GMT
>Please don't post anything but rockets this weekend.  If we can handle one
>day, maybe 2,....
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Joel. phx

Too late; since I started agressively plonking annoying posters, rmr
just went away...

GC
 
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