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Striker Cat - 28 Aug 2004 17:37 GMT
Hello everyone,

I've been flying rockets for many years and motor construction is the next
reasonable step. I've been reading like crazy on the subject learning about
safety and propellants but there is very little good information on
construction small motors (c-f). I've ordered "Amateur Rocket Motor
Construction by David Sleeter" however any websites on the subject would be
very helpful.

Thanks,
shockwaveriderz - 28 Aug 2004 18:51 GMT
strikercat:

the "bible":

http://www.aeroconsystems.com/literature/composites.htm

http://www.space-rockets.com/cptech.html

http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/

those should keep you busy for a while..good luck and be careful...

shockie B)

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Striker Cat - 28 Aug 2004 19:07 GMT
All great sites, all talk about only large motors (g-k).

thanks for the information.

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Erlend Meyer - 28 Aug 2004 20:29 GMT
Striker Cat:

> All great sites, all talk about only large motors (g-k).

But it's not that big a deal to downscale things. I did some tests with a
G-size KNO3/sucrose-engine based on Nakkas design, worked great.

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Erlend Meyer

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Graham - 28 Aug 2004 21:38 GMT
> All great sites, all talk about only large motors (g-k).

try Jimmy Yawn's site. www.jamesyawn.com . Jimmy's a fount of knowledge,
very helpful, and a real nice guy too.

Lots of useful stuff on there, especially homebrew SU motors.

The Teleflite book's a good reference for an alternative approach too.

G.

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Graham J. Platt
TRA #10112 L2

Brian McDermott - 28 Aug 2004 23:41 GMT
Making EX motors smaller than "F" can be probmlematic, especially with
composites. Sleeter's book is probably the best resource for motors of
this size, as it involves compressed powders and sugar motors rather
than plastic-bonded composites.

Typically, many EX rocketeers will start with something in the 29 or
38mm range. My first motor was a 38mm "H" motor. This size is
reasonably small enough for experimental testing, and can be scaled up
later if so desired. Wickman's and McCreary's respective books are
good for those entering the field, and are usually not far out of
reach during mixing/casting procedures. Contrary to popular belief,
things do start to get cost effective with larger motors (Firefox
sells AP for $7 a pound with bulk discounts). I haven't done the
actual math, but after making a few large motors, you will offset the
cost of your initial investment (mixers and the like).

The Arocket discussion list is a good resource. See www.arocket.net .
Once you sign up, you can search or browse through several years'
worth of archived messages at www.blastzone.com/arocket .

Feel free to email me for more information. My address is
bjmcder@comcast.net .

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Joel Corwith - 29 Aug 2004 00:26 GMT
> The Arocket discussion list is a good resource. See www.arocket.net .
> Once you sign up, you can search or browse through several years'
> worth of archived messages at www.blastzone.com/arocket .

I would say ""the archive"" is a good resource.  On-going discussions
probably won't be what the beginner considers "helpful".

Is sugpro still active?

Joel.phx
Striker Cat - 29 Aug 2004 00:42 GMT
Thank you very much for your suggestions. i have not been to arocket before
(first new link, like i said i've been reading like crazy!)

i have made quite a few engines in the past (years ago), some with good luck
some cato'd very nice rockets. I'm hoping this attempt turns some better
results.

the main reason I'm looking designs for small class motors is field space
requirements. There is very little open land around here.
Striker Cat - 29 Aug 2004 01:03 GMT
hey brian,

Looks like i got excited to fast, seams that the site is down? the archive
rejected me becouse i'm not on the active list.. any sugestions?
Brian McDermott - 29 Aug 2004 11:44 GMT
As far as I know, you need to part of the active list.

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Brian/Joseph McDermott - 29 Aug 2004 13:15 GMT
Sorry, it's www.arocket.org, not .net.

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James L. Marino - 30 Aug 2004 14:32 GMT
       The site works, but I tried to sign up, and get an error message.
"The URL you loaded has not been found on this server." So I tried
contacting the e-mail that is listed for help in signing up
(listmgr@arocket.org), and get a return on it. "Host doesn't like
recipient".
       Any ideas on how I can get subscribed to it? Thanks,

James L. Marino
SAS, LUNAR,
TCC, AEROPAC,
NAR #75764 L3
TRA #9489 L3

"Ban light pollution, not rocket motors."

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Mike - 31 Aug 2004 06:05 GMT
I've been making his motors C, D, F, G for around 12 years now with great
sucess.
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