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Model Forum / General / Rockets / September 2004TMT certifies new motors by a new manufacturer - WAY TO GO JEFF!
Congratulations Jeff! The motors are 38mm H144-17A, I305-17A & J528-17A. The 17 is the max delay setting. Loki has an adjustment tool to set the delays to 5, 8 & 11 seconds. I tried a J528 manufacturers demo & it worked great! > Congratulations Jeff! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I tried a J528 manufacturers demo & it worked great! Why is it 150% the thrust of the popular AT (errortech) J350? What is the total impulse (ILP code)? How does the MSRP compare? Jerry Just the facts, ma'am.  SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>Congratulations Jeff! >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Just the facts, ma'am. It's a 740J528. Actually the TMT data shows the average thrust a bit higher, and I may change the designation to reflect this. Burn time is 1.3 seconds, total impulse 740 N-s. MSRP is $39.99. -JT > >>Congratulations Jeff! > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > -JT Thanks for the thoughtful post Jeff. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >> Congratulations Jeff! >> >> The motors are 38mm H144-17A, I305-17A & J528-17A. The 17 is the max >> delay setting. Loki has an adjustment tool to set the delays to 5, 8 >> & 11 seconds. ALso 13 seconds >> I tried a J528 manufacturers demo & it worked great! > >Why is it 150% the thrust of the popular AT (errortech) J350? Duh because it was designed that way. Who needs another J350? Since AT is your standard, why don't you ask why it isn't a J570? >What is the total impulse (ILP code)? 740ns 15% J >How does the MSRP compare? Who cares? (besides you) >Jerry > >Just the facts, ma'am. > >> Congratulations Jeff! > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > 740ns 15% J The ONE tech reply when synthisized into ILP gives: LR 38mm 740 J 528 - 17 A Jerry > >How does the MSRP compare? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > >Just the facts, ma'am. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > Congratulations Jeff! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I tried a J528 manufacturers demo & it worked great! ok, i missed a bit who is Jeff? 38mm single use or reloads? If reloads what casing? what is required for purchase? leup? SignatureTater President of MARS Club (NAR #660) www.mars-rocketry.com KC9ESF NAR #79654 L1 AMA #747769 EAA #703312 remove spam spelled backwards to reply >> Congratulations Jeff! >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >what is required for purchase? leup? Jeff Taylor - owner reloads Loki which is a very popular casing in the EX community LEUP http://www.lokiresearch.com > >> Congratulations Jeff! > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Loki which is a very popular casing in the EX community > LEUP Despite the lawsuit and the law itself??? > http://www.lokiresearch.com SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >> >> Congratulations Jeff! >> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Despite the lawsuit and the law itself??? Which ones? Anyone is free to refuse service to anyone they want. >>> Loki which is a very popular casing in the EX community >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Which ones? Anyone is free to refuse service to anyone they want. If I understand this correctly, some vendors require a LEUP before you can purchace from them, right? I would equate this with a vendor who requests your SS# for a purchase or procedure. They're free to ask for it, and you're just as free to find another vendor. If people stop patronizing shops that make you jump through hoops, then those vendors will need to re-evaluate their policy. If they don't, then they'll go the way of the dinosaur... Eldred Signaturehttp://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East > >>> Loki which is a very popular casing in the EX community > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Eldred A variation of that is happening. Rocketeers are zealots. The stronger zealots get the illegal (extralegal, unneeded, whatever) permits thus bringing the ATF madness on us (by their own actions) and the less motivated simply go aaway. It has acted as a zealot screen so we now have 2500 screaming whiners in HPR and the regular people, tens of thousands of them, just go away. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>>>>Loki which is a very popular casing in the EX community >>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jerry Poor, poor jerry. >>>>>>Loki which is a very popular casing in the EX community >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Poor, poor jerry. Yeah. If he had more people to rip off, he could pay that child support. Jerry wrote: << It has acted as a zealot screen so we now have 2500 screaming whiners in HPR and the regular people, tens of thousands of them, just go away. >> Why don't you go with them? You obviously don't like the "zealots", so I'm sure you'd be much happier with the alleged "tens of thousands" who just go away. >Jerry wrote: ><< It has acted as a zealot screen so we now have 2500 screaming whiners in HPR >and the regular people, tens of thousands of them, just go away. >> > >Why don't you go with them? You obviously don't like the "zealots", so I'm sure >you'd be much happier with the alleged "tens of thousands" who just go away. Jerry & Kevin have to save us. 8-) > Jerry & Kevin have to save us. 8-) It wouldn't hurt one bit. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >> Jerry & Kevin have to save us. 8-) > >It wouldn't hurt one bit. I'm not taking any chances. > >> Jerry & Kevin have to save us. 8-) > > > >It wouldn't hurt one bit. > > I'm not taking any chances. That is the whole point. A failed bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush, one of which got you here to begin with. TO YOU. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv snip > I'm not taking any chances. It's good to know you have your helmet and your joint protection on, Corky. > > A variation of that is happening. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Poor, poor jerry. This isn't about Jerry. It's about the rest of us. -dave w >>>A variation of that is happening. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -dave w No, no, It's ALL about jerry. he reminds us repeatedly, every day! So yes, it IS all about, poor, poor, pathetic jerry. > > This isn't about Jerry. It's about the rest of us. > No, no, It's ALL about jerry. he reminds us repeatedly, every day! And _you_ believe him when he says _that_? -dave w >>>This isn't about Jerry. It's about the rest of us. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -dave w No, of course not! Does that matter? It doesn't to jerry. Do You believe "it"? Does "it" matter to you? Do you believe jerry should pay his debts, like child support, fraud judgments, DOT fines, etc.? > >>>This isn't about Jerry. It's about the rest of us. > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Do You believe "it"? Does "it" matter to you? It really *IS* all about Jerry for you even when someone tries to change the subject back to the message!! 2500 TRA HPR WORLDWIDE. PIDDLEY. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>>>>This isn't about Jerry. It's about the rest of us. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > 2500 TRA HPR WORLDWIDE. PIDDLEY. No, jerry, the message was "TMT certifies new motors by a new manufacturer - WAY TO GO JEFF!", that was the message. Then you tried to make it about you. Are you going to be a deadbeat the rest of your life? >> > This isn't about Jerry. It's about the rest of us. >> No, no, It's ALL about jerry. he reminds us repeatedly, every day! > >And _you_ believe him when he says _that_? > >-dave w We have to. He told us he's out leader. 8-) > > > This isn't about Jerry. It's about the rest of us. > > No, no, It's ALL about jerry. he reminds us repeatedly, every day! > > And _you_ believe him when he says _that_? > > -dave w He needs that perception well laid whether it is said or not, implied or not. He engages in "linkage" beteween the message and the messenger. 2500 HPR in TRA is a FACT. W O R L D W I D E SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > >>>A variation of that is happening. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > No, no, It's ALL about jerry. he reminds us repeatedly, every day! Look who's talking. Literally. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >> > A variation of that is happening. >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >-dave w ok. But with that in mind, why does Jerry have to do his whiners & zelots routine? THAT is what feeds the trolls - if they have no food, they have nothing to say. > >> > A variation of that is happening. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > zelots routine? THAT is what feeds the trolls - if they have no food, > they have nothing to say. You troll on after I ignore you. You need no "food". My posts are for the beneft of those who are wiling to see my POV. You are not. Fine. You cannot learn. I can live with that. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > My posts are for the beneft of those who are wiling to see my POV. You > are not. Fine. You cannot learn. > > I can live with that. > > Jerry Apparently you can't. > > > A variation of that is happening. > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -dave w Not to Gaveyard, Philistine and the other trolls like Dunkin Donuts. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv "....Rocketeers are zealots. The stronger zealots get the illegal (extralegal, unneeded, whatever) permits thus bringing the ATF madness on us (by their own actions) and the less motivated simply go aaway..." This does leave out another group that is probably the largest. Those who decide that if they want to mail order the motors, they get the paperwork required or if they just want to fly, buy the motors at the launch. Me, I always fly at club launches so I let the vendor worry about the feds. I buy and fly. No muss no fuss. No, it does nothing about whether or not it is illegal, immora, or possibly fattening with respect to the ATF shenanigans. However my hobby needs, and I suspect a fair number of others, are fully met. > "....Rocketeers are zealots. The stronger zealots get the illegal > (extralegal, unneeded, whatever) permits thus bringing the ATF madness on us [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > decide that if they want to mail order the motors, they get the paperwork > required or if they just want to fly, buy the motors at the launch. They are necesarily on the TRA/NAR HPR roles at this time. NO lone rangers. Zero. > Me, I always fly at club launches so I let the vendor worry about the feds. > I buy and fly. No muss no fuss. > > No, it does nothing about whether or not it is illegal, immora, or possibly > fattening with respect to the ATF shenanigans. However my hobby needs, and I > suspect a fair number of others, are fully met. Lone Rangers are 98% of the market. Ask Wal-Mart. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv I would ask you to provide any verifiable proof however I don't see the point. Unless you can provide evidence to your "lone ranger" theory that does not include you then as your tag line says... "Opinion, the whole thing" > > "....Rocketeers are zealots. The stronger zealots get the illegal > > (extralegal, unneeded, whatever) permits thus bringing the ATF madness on us [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Lone Rangers are 98% of the market. Ask Wal-Mart. > I would ask you to provide any verifiable proof Considerthis. "Affiliated" Estes product consumption is perhaps 6000 people x $300 a year average or $1,800,000. Respectable. Estes does over $40,000,000 in sales. That is affiliated roughly 4.5% of the market. If you extrapolate that to HPR and assume HALF as many folks could be lone rangers (complexity, cost, motivation), then given there are 3000 HPR folks generating $800,000 in sales, then if that were 10% of the L.R. market (vs4.5% for MR) then one would expect about $8,000,000 in annual sales. I could break even on my share of that. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv Jerry wrote: << NO lone rangers. Zero. >> Bull. I fly solo most of the time. << Lone Rangers are 98% of the market.>> Bull. You're just pulling numbers out of your aft closure again. You have no proof. << Ask Wal-Mart. >> They have nothing to do with high power rocketry. Wal-Mart sells RTF toys to children -- and in most cases, even those kids can't legally fly their toys outside of club launches. > Wal-Mart sells RTF toys to children -- > and in most cases, even those kids > can't legally fly their toys outside > of club launches. That's probably less commonly true elsewhere than in California, where CSFM regulations specifically require consent of one's local fire safety AHJ for even model rockets - which our local fire marshals are often more willing to give for organized clubs than for "lone rangers". -dave w > > Wal-Mart sells RTF toys to children -- > > and in most cases, even those kids [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -dave w And represents a change which did not exist prior to IIRC 1984. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > > > Wal-Mart sells RTF toys to children -- > > > and in most cases, even those kids [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And represents a change which did not exist prior to IIRC 1984. Which didn't exist? The requirement for approval, or the reluctance to approve individuals rather than groups? -dave w > > > > Wal-Mart sells RTF toys to children -- > > > > and in most cases, even those kids [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Which didn't exist? The requirement for approval, A There was a FD verbal notice requirement. The change to permit was a very bad thing for compliance. Rocketry seemed to hum right along though. > or the > reluctance to approve individuals rather than groups? > > -dave w SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv Dave W. wrote: > That's probably less commonly true elsewhere than > in California, where CSFM regulations specifically > require consent of one's local fire safety AHJ for > even model rockets - which our local fire marshals > are often more willing to give for organized clubs > than for "lone rangers". Jerry replied: << And represents a change which did not exist prior to IIRC 1984.>> That's part of your problem right there, Jerry. You seem completely incapable of accepting the fact that things change. Regulations change. Government policies change. Public perception and attitudes change. Everyone else in the hobby adapts and moves forward. Jerry just whines. Poor Jerry. > Regulations change. Government policies change. And we're supposed to view these as irresistable forces of nature beyond human power to modify? > Public perception and attitudes change. A free country is one where one has the right to do unpopular things in spite of adverse "public attitudes". As American citizens and residents, it is our born duty to keep this a free country. That includes resisting the trend of the government to become an agent of the "tyranny of the majority". If the government were to be allowed to forbid anything that might seem dangerous, we might as well just shut the whole thing down and go home. Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in the name of expedient appeasement". -dave w > > Regulations change. Government policies change. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > forbid anything that might seem dangerous, we might as well > just shut the whole thing down and go home. And sit down and shut up :) > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in > the name of expedient appeasement". He is a hypocrite supreme. > -dave w SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jerry Pot=kettle-black = jerry to a greater degree.. > > > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > > > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pot=kettle-black = jerry to a greater degree.. I gave a specific example. You arbitrarily called names. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > > > > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > > > > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jerry Arbitrarily?? Seems to me I was quite specific and exposed you as an example.. > > > > > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > > > > > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Arbitrarily?? Seems to me I was quite specific and exposed you as an > example.. What example? SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > > > > > > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > > > > > > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Jerry You are an example of a name calling hypocrite.. > > > > > > > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > > > > > > > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > You are an example of a name calling hypocrite.. Based on what? SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>>>>>>>Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" >>>>>>>>trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Based on what? Based on the fact that you are a name calling hypocrite. > >>>>>>>>Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > >>>>>>>>trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Based on the fact that you are a name calling hypocrite. Based on what? Note conversation with morons and many levels of replies. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > > Based on what? > > Based on the fact that you are a name calling hypocrite. BINGO!!! > > > > > > > > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > > > > > > > > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > -- > Jerry Are you that dense?? > > > > > > > > > Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" > > > > > > > > > trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Are you that dense?? Yes. Based on what? SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv Dave W. wrote: << Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" trend - but then you turn around and preach "compliance in the name of expedient appeasement".>> I believe in doing whatever works, whether it's compliance or non-compliance. Sometimes one way works best, sometimes the other. I'm not a rules freak and have no qualms about less-than-perfect compliance. But whenever possible, I'd much rather be in compliance. And when I choose non-compliance, I don't expect anyone else to stick their necks out on my behalf, nor do I spend 15 years whining and slandering them if they choose not to do so. You can preach rebellion all you want but look at the facts: The manufacturers who have adapted and complied are the ones who are thriving and enjoying a mass market. Jerry chose not to comply, and can only sell under the table to a few renegades who don't care about the regs and any suckers he can dupe into thinking his stuff is legal. On top of that he's stuck with a $40k fine. > Dave W. wrote: > << Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" trend - but [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > manufacturers > who have adapted and complied are the ones who are thriving among a REDUCED and controlled and overregulated market of 2500 worlldwide. > and enjoying a > mass > market. Total bullshit supreme. 2500 is not a mass market. It is the population of *ONE* average high school. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>Dave W. wrote: >><< Come on, Ray - you're certainly no fan of the "nanny-state" trend - but [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jerry Poor jerry. Jerry whined: << 2500 is not a mass market. >> It's a lot bigger than the market for your uncertified, illegal-to-ship motors. > Dave W. wrote: > > That's probably less commonly true elsewhere than [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's part of your problem right there, Jerry. You seem completely incapable > of accepting the fact that things change. Judgemental dickhead! I posted an OBSERVATION. NEUTRAL!! > Regulations change. Government > policies change. Public perception and attitudes change. Everyone else in the > hobby adapts and moves forward. Jerry just whines. Poor Jerry. Your agenda is showing Ray. At TRF too. http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8097&perpage=20&p agenumber=3 Dickwad. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >Lone Rangers are 98% of the market. Ask Wal-Mart. If that was true, we'd see some USR motors there. Why doesn't anyone sell USR motors any more? Poor Jerry > "....Rocketeers are zealots. The stronger zealots get the illegal > (extralegal, unneeded, whatever) permits thus bringing the ATF madness on us [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Me, I always fly at club launches so I let the vendor worry about the feds. > I buy and fly. No muss no fuss. Under the bogus rules the JBGTs are trying to claim are already in effect, you would need an LEUP to buy an H128 or a G33 even at a local meet. And you'd have to purchase it in advance, fromtheir place of business. On site slaes are not permitted. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org 26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/ ... One nation under survielence, divisive, with liberty and justice for none. > > "....Rocketeers are zealots. The stronger zealots get the illegal > > (extralegal, unneeded, whatever) permits thus bringing the ATF madness on [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you'd have to purchase it in advance, fromtheir place of business. On site > slaes are not permitted. Is anyone listening? > Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" > >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ... One nation under survielence, divisive, with liberty and justice for > none. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>>> Loki which is a very popular casing in the EX community >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Eldred You are correct. Jeff says he wants a LEUP to ship propellant to you. It seems reasonable to me since a bag of propellant is not a PAD. You can get an assembled motor from Jeff (or a dealer) at a launch and it is a PAD so; no LEUP would be needed. I know Jerry will shoot off his big mouth on the subject but all I know is Jerry has been fined & thrown out of rocketry organizations for not playing by the rules and Jeff has not. Having the biggest mouth does not make you right. Congratulations on Loki Research's certifications Jeff! Please feel free to come up to sunny Michigan and demo your stuff at our 3 Oaks Launch in November. -- Bruce Kirchner TRA L2 #5888 Michigan Team 1 High Power Rocketry Proud Gun Owner! >>Congratulations Jeff! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > who is Jeff? Jeff Taylor is the proprietor of Loki Research, LLC. > 38mm single use or reloads? 38mm reloads. > If reloads what casing? Loki Research 38mm reloadable motors. See www.lokiresearch.com for details. > what is required for purchase? leup? Money. HPR certification. Over 18 years old. ATF permit required for mail order propellant. ATF permit not required for on-site purchase of PADs. Contact your local HPR dealer and request that they carry Loki Research products. -Jeff Taylor Loki Research > >>Congratulations Jeff! > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Money. HPR certification. Over 18 years old. > ATF permit required for > mail order propellant. ATF permit not required for on-site purchase of > PADs. Huh??!! > Contact your local HPR dealer and request that they carry Loki > Research products. > > -Jeff Taylor > Loki Research SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >>>>Congratulations Jeff! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Huh??!! jerry, Take your pills! >> ATF permit required for >> mail order propellant. ATF permit not required for on-site purchase of >> PADs. > >Huh??!! Are you stupid? Which part don't you understand? >> what is required for purchase? leup? > >Money. HPR certification. Over 18 years old. ATF permit required for >mail order propellant. ATF permit not required for on-site purchase of >PADs. Contact your local HPR dealer and request that they carry Loki >Research products. Ah - here's a vendor that doesn't require a LEUP? Sounds like it solves the problem. <g> Eldred p.s. congrats Jeff! Signaturehttp://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East > >> what is required for purchase? leup? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ah - here's a vendor that doesn't require a LEUP? Sounds like it solves the > problem. <g> Your statement seems to be in direct conflict with his: "ATF permit required for mail order propellant." > Eldred > p.s. congrats Jeff! SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >> >> what is required for purchase? leup? >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Your statement seems to be in direct conflict with his: "ATF permit >required for mail order propellant." But you don't need it for onsite purchase. I thought that's what all the arguing was about. If not, I'll drop out...<g> Eldred Signaturehttp://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East > >> >> what is required for purchase? leup? > >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > But you don't need it for onsite purchase. There is no law or rule that makes a distinction!! That is the point. It is ALL not needing any permit. Proof: "In addition, the Court finds that the ATF's pronouncement that sport rocket motors are not PADs is invalid because it was made without compliance with the notice-and-comment rulemaking procedures of the OCCA and the APA." 27 CFR 555.11, Propellant Actuated Device. Any tool or special mechanized device or gas generator system which is actuated by a propellant or which releases and directs work through a propellant charge. 27 CFR 555.141 exemptions (a) (8) Gasoline, fertilizers, propellant actuated devices, or propellant actuated industrial tools manufactured, imported, or distributed for their intended purposes. QED I do NOT make this sh.t up. It is Federal regulation and supporting court order from a federal judge!!! > I thought that's what all the > arguing was about. If not, I'll drop out...<g> > > Eldred SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv > Congratulations Jeff! > > The motors are 38mm H144-17A, I305-17A & J528-17A. The 17 is the max > delay setting. Loki has an adjustment tool to set the delays to 5, 8 > & 11 seconds. Congrats, Jeff! I've heard nothing but good things about your motors, and from talking to others, it sounds like you guys are trying some things that nobody else is. -Kevin > > Congratulations Jeff! > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -Kevin Great! Name three things. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv >> > Congratulations Jeff! >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Name three things. 1. They are not made by Jerry, USR, DPT or any company that Jerry denies being part of. 2. They can be shipped legally. 3. They are TRA approved. Poor Jerry - can't get past the Jerry filter. > >> it sounds like you guys are trying some > >> things that nobody else is. > >> > >> -Kevin > >Great! > > > >Name three things. .. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com My articles valuable? Donate http://tinyurl.com/2hmgv Dr. Jeff womped off a spankin' Blue 38 at a METRA launch a few months ago that my ears still ring from... Nice guys doin' the right thing... N3863 in my future.... | > Congratulations Jeff! | > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | | -Kevin |
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