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Rusty - 30 Sep 2004 06:04 GMT
I read alot about nitrous oxide as the oxidizer in a hybrid but what
about plain oxygen (not LOX)?
Alex Mericas - 30 Sep 2004 13:58 GMT
> I read alot about nitrous oxide as the oxidizer in a hybrid but what
> about plain oxygen (not LOX)?

N2O is easier/safer to handle than pure oxygen.  Also you need a
delivery system.  N2O is self pressurizing. You can load it in
liquid state at around 700PSI. As it warms up it converts to gas and
the tank pressure increases forcing the gaseous N2O into the
combustion chamber.  If you load your oxygen as a gas, you would
either have to load at extreme pressure or have some other way to
force it into the combustion chamber.   And if you use LOX you need
pumps.
Alan Jones - 30 Sep 2004 17:15 GMT
>> I read alot about nitrous oxide as the oxidizer in a hybrid but what
>> about plain oxygen (not LOX)?
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>force it into the combustion chamber.   And if you use LOX you need
>pumps.

I have not flown a hybrid motor, but I think liquid N2O is actually
delivered to the combustion chamber and vaporized at the injector.
LOX can be pressure fed, without pumps, although you will need a
pressurization system probably using nitrogen or helium.

The only problem with N2O is that you have to get it very hot before
it "works", so motor ignition is more difficult.

Alan
Alex Mericas - 30 Sep 2004 17:27 GMT
It may be liquid at the injector, but I think if vaporizes
instantly.  And N2O is self-pressurizing.

Getting it hot enough to oxidize is not a problem in practice.  I
personally like the non-pyro method where you fill the combustion
chamber with GOX and then light a strip of steel wool
electronically.  The pyrotechnic method, using a chunk of APCP,
works nicely too.  WestCoast uses BP with an wetting agent to do the
same.

>>> I read alot about nitrous oxide as the oxidizer in a hybrid but what
>>> about plain oxygen (not LOX)?
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> Alan
Rusty - 30 Sep 2004 17:52 GMT
> It may be liquid at the injector, but I think if vaporizes instantly.  
> And N2O is self-pressurizing.
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>>
>> Alan

Where can i find plans on the injector portion of the motor, this seems
to be the tricky part
Jerry Irvine - 30 Sep 2004 14:24 GMT
> I read alot about nitrous oxide as the oxidizer in a hybrid but what
> about plain oxygen (not LOX)?

Not nearly dense enough.

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