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[Dave Grayvis] Brian Teeling

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Jerry Irvine - 29 Oct 2004 18:02 GMT
When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
previously scanned and posted by me, or public websites.

What is his purpose in life other than to troll rmr daily?

Jerry

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David Weinshenker - 29 Oct 2004 18:12 GMT
> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
> previously scanned and posted by me, or public websites.
>
> What is his purpose in life other than to troll rmr daily?

Is "Dave Grayvis" even actually the mysterious Brian
Teeling after all if he's unable to produce a copy of
a document that the real "Brian Teeling" would have had
access to?

Someone who comes forth out of nowhere and says things
like "when are you going to give me my money" ought to
be subject to certain burdens of proof with respect to
identifying himself, no?

-dave w
Dave Grayvis - 29 Oct 2004 18:20 GMT
little jerry wrote:

>>When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
>>is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> a document that the real "Brian Teeling" would have had
> access to?

What document would that be?  If I had access to it, then so does jerry.
Maybe he can scan you a copy.  Or he could just reach around and hand it
to you.
David Weinshenker - 29 Oct 2004 19:51 GMT
> What document would that be?  If I had access to it, then so does jerry.
> Maybe he can scan you a copy.  Or he could just reach around and hand it
> to you.

The point is to prove that You are a person
with access. Jerry already said what document.
(Something about a "patnership agreement" IIRC -
I think the real "Brian Teeling" would know
perfectly well what he was referring to...)

-dave w
Dave Grayvis - 29 Oct 2004 21:07 GMT
little jerry wrote:

>>What document would that be?  If I had access to it, then so does jerry.
>>Maybe he can scan you a copy.  Or he could just reach around and hand it
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I think the real "Brian Teeling" would know
> perfectly well what he was referring to...)

maybe the document jerry refers to does not exist.  big jerry, was the
document in question, entered as evidence?  Post a copy.
Phil Stein - 29 Oct 2004 19:43 GMT
>> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
>> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>-dave w

Do you think Jerry would pay him if he did?
Jerry Irvine - 29 Oct 2004 19:46 GMT
> >> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
> >> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Do you think Jerry would pay him if he did?

Everybody but Brian has met, conferred, received.

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
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Phil Stein - 29 Oct 2004 19:54 GMT
>> >> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
>> >> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>Jerry

That's hard to believe.  Why wouldn't he?
Jerry Irvine - 29 Oct 2004 20:03 GMT
> >Everybody but Brian has met, conferred, received.
> >
> >Jerry
>
> That's hard to believe.  Why wouldn't he?

Ask Dave Grayvis yourself. You seem to love blasting emails back and
forth with him.

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
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Phil Stein - 29 Oct 2004 21:33 GMT
>> >Everybody but Brian has met, conferred, received.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Jerry
Wattsa matter?  You Jealous?
Dave Grayvis - 29 Oct 2004 21:09 GMT
>>>>When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
>>>>is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Jerry

More BS from jerry.

jerry has never paid off any of the judgment.  Not a penny.
David Weinshenker - 29 Oct 2004 19:57 GMT
> >> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
> >> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Do you think Jerry would pay him if he did?

That would be between Jerry and Brian...
it has yet to be conclusively demonstrated
that the entity posting as "Dave Grayvis"
has any standing in the matter.

-dave w
Phil Stein - 29 Oct 2004 19:56 GMT
>> >> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
>> >> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>-dave w

That's obvious.  I was asking what you think.
Jerry Irvine - 29 Oct 2004 20:00 GMT
> That would be between Jerry and Brian...
> it has yet to be conclusively demonstrated
> that the entity posting as "Dave Grayvis"
> has any standing in the matter.
>
> -dave w

More to the point, he refuses to say and also refuses to meet and
confer. His goal seems to be discord not cash.

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay auction deals and specials. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

Dave Grayvis - 29 Oct 2004 21:12 GMT
>>That would be between Jerry and Brian...
>>it has yet to be conclusively demonstrated
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Jerry

What's to confer?  Where do you want to meet?  will you Bring My money?
W. E. Fred Wallace - 29 Oct 2004 21:05 GMT
> ?
> ? When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> -dave w

Yea, where is my consulting fee??
David Weinshenker - 30 Oct 2004 00:02 GMT
> > ?
> > ? When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Yea, where is my consulting fee??

Sounds like it was on a "contingency fee" basis... you can have
all the H160's you want as soon as you make arrangements for DOT
to view them as materials of well-known and manageable hazard
characteristics (instead of "untested New Explosives").

Otherwise, there is no legal way for you to collect... since you are
referring to a "fee", any attempt to send you what you have coming
would constitute "transportation in commerce", wouldn't it?

:)

-dave w
W. E. Fred Wallace - 30 Oct 2004 00:50 GMT
> ?
> ? David Weinshenker wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> -dave w

I guess I'm screwed on both counts.. Jerry wins again. :)

Fred
Jerry Irvine - 31 Oct 2004 04:46 GMT
> > > ?
> > > ? When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> -dave w

Bullseye!

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay auction deals and specials. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

Phil Stein - 31 Oct 2004 13:32 GMT
>> > > ?
>> > > ? When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
>Bullseye!

Jerry - wipe your face or is your mouth the bullseye?
Dave Grayvis - 29 Oct 2004 18:15 GMT
> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Jerry

Why don't you post your document?

Does it exist?  What does/would it say?  What would it prove?
RayDunakin - 30 Oct 2004 06:09 GMT
Jerry Irvine wrote:
<< When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he is
unable to do so.>>

Maybe the document only exists in your imagination?

<< He is reliant entirely on public filings and items previously scanned and
posted by me, or public websites. >>

Well, at least you can't claim these things are bogus.
Jerry Irvine - 31 Oct 2004 04:42 GMT
> Jerry Irvine wrote:
> << When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he is
> unable to do so.>>
>
> Maybe the document only exists in your imagination?

Definitely not. It was signed personally by Brian Teeling and was
entered as evidence in the original partnership dissolution trial.

Are you refuting THAT??

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay auction deals and specials. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

Dave Grayvis - 31 Oct 2004 05:01 GMT
>>Jerry Irvine wrote:
>><< When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jerry

It was a civil fraud trial.  I guess the jury did not find it compelling
evidence.
Phil Stein - 29 Oct 2004 19:38 GMT
>When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
>is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Jerry

I think he has made more on topic tech posts that you have recently.
Mike - 30 Oct 2004 05:05 GMT
Who really cares anymore?

> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Jerry
Phil Stein - 30 Oct 2004 15:48 GMT
The same people that care about Jerry's motors being decertified.
(Jerry and  a few of his supporteres)  In other words no one.

>Who really cares anymore?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>> Jerry
Jerry Irvine - 31 Oct 2004 04:45 GMT
> The same people that care about Jerry's motors being decertified.

You mean Tripoli, Rogers, Kelly?

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay auction deals and specials. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

Phil Stein - 31 Oct 2004 13:31 GMT
>> The same people that care about Jerry's motors being decertified.
>
>You mean Tripoli, Rogers, Kelly?

At this point, they don't seem to care.  Remember a few years ago I
asked them what had to be done to get your motors certified?  You have
to do the same thing everyone else is doing.  Check the TMT page.

Good news - it looks like there is going to be another approved
manufacturer soon.
Jerry Irvine - 31 Oct 2004 04:44 GMT
> Who really cares anymore?

Phil Stein
Dave Grayvis
Ray Dunakin
Fred Wallace

Oh,wait those are the same precise names on most folks killfiles.

> > When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
> > is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
> > previously scanned and posted by me, or public websites.
> >
> > What is his purpose in life other than to troll rmr daily?

Signature

Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay auction deals and specials. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

W. E. Fred Wallace - 31 Oct 2004 04:50 GMT
> ? Who really cares anymore?
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jerry

Better to be in someone's kill file than fined $40 gran by the man and
on pins and needles till the next hand..(;-)
Phil Stein - 31 Oct 2004 13:38 GMT
>> ? Who really cares anymore?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Better to be in someone's kill file than fined $40 gran by the man and
>on pins and needles till the next hand..(;-)

Wanna bet that BIG FINE doubles down in the next hand?
tater schuld - 30 Oct 2004 06:19 GMT
> When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
> is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Jerry
hence he is on my killfile (which makes this thread challenging to read)

If he had a case, he would sue, and most likeley win.

it seems he doesn't, he didn't.

Jerry, while you may be motivated to keep justifying that you are "in the
right" I would think of filing a cease and desist order on this guy. RMR
doesn't need his drivel, you'll be able to sue for dammages if he is wrong
and doesnt shut up, or he could file a countersuit if he is right (I doubt
considering his foul language)

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David Weinshenker - 30 Oct 2004 06:50 GMT
> Jerry, while you may be motivated to keep justifying that you are "in the
> right" I would think of filing a cease and desist order on this guy. RMR
> doesn't need his drivel, you'll be able to sue for dammages if he is wrong
> and doesnt shut up, or he could file a countersuit if he is right (I doubt
> considering his foul language)

I'm not sure that "making argumentative postings on usenet"
is something that a cease-and-desist order can be applied to...

-dave w
Zak Orion - 30 Oct 2004 15:29 GMT
>> Jerry, while you may be motivated to keep justifying that you are "in the
>> right" I would think of filing a cease and desist order on this guy. RMR
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> -dave w

Even if you could, enforcing it would be near impossible.
the notorious t-e-d - 30 Oct 2004 18:40 GMT
>>>Jerry, while you may be motivated to keep justifying that you are "in the
>>>right" I would think of filing a cease and desist order on this guy. RMR
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Even if you could, enforcing it would be near impossible.

Actually for a while JI did do a cease and desist, when he went on
vacation to Hawaii. Lucky bastard :)

Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
Phil Stein - 30 Oct 2004 23:24 GMT
>>>>Jerry, while you may be motivated to keep justifying that you are "in the
>>>>right" I would think of filing a cease and desist order on this guy. RMR
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>TRA#5512
>IEAS#75

We were lucky too - then he came back.
Jerry Irvine - 31 Oct 2004 04:40 GMT
> Actually for a while JI did do a cease and desist, when he went on
> vacation to Hawaii. Lucky bastard :)

:)

I didn't tell anyone :)

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay auction deals and specials. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

RayDunakin - 30 Oct 2004 07:39 GMT
Tater wrote:
<< If he had a case, he would sue, and most likeley win. >>

He already has won in court against Jerry, and still hasn't been paid. What
good would it do to sue again?

<< Jerry, while you may be motivated to keep justifying that you are "in the
right" I would think of filing a cease and desist order on this guy. RMR
doesn't need his drivel, you'll be able to sue for dammages if he is wrong and
doesnt shut up...>>

Jerry can't sue anyone, he's a "vexatious litigant".
Dave Grayvis - 30 Oct 2004 14:52 GMT
>>When asked to post a particular document from a trial and case file, he
>>is unable to do so. He is reliant entirely on public filings and items
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> and doesnt shut up, or he could file a countersuit if he is right (I doubt
> considering his foul language)

Yea jerry, sue Me, that way I can get My money.

Oh wait, you can't sue Me, you've been deemed a vexatious litigant.

Poor jerry.
 
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