In a recent thread about the book, "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction",
someone posted the following message.
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"I have the book and I've made a few motors from it. The book is "OK" I
wouldn't buy it again. Seams everyone thinks is great but I can't see why.
It's a how-to book for black powder based engines, very little information;
just walks you though how to make several sizes of engines using his
propellant formula. Ohh and unless you know someone with a metal lathe you'
ll spend more time making the tooling then the engines.
Sorry just my humble opinion!"
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When he says, "...very little information;
just walks you though how to make several sizes of engines using his
propellant formula..", what book is he talking about? As the author of
"Amateur Rocket Motor Construction", I can verify that the book is 514 pages
in length with 600 photos and drawings. It contains an entire chapter
devoted to safety and the history of amateur rocketry, a chapter on basic
concepts, chapters with extensive information about the chemicals, including
what to buy, how to shop, and even how to make some of the chemicals
yourself or extract them from common garden products.
Regarding the tools, there are TWO chapters on tools. The first is devoted
to tools you buy, and the second is devoted to the tools you make. This
second chapter DOES contain complete instructions on how to make
professional-quality tools on a metal lathe, but for people without a metal
lathe, it has detailed instructions on how to quickly improvise with things
like plastic pipe, hose clamps, and wooden dowels.
When he says, "just walks you through how to make several sizes of engines
using his propellant formula", what book is he talking about? "Amateur
Rocket Motor Construction" contains complete instructions on the making and
performance-refinement of FIVE propellant formulas, and the book contains
not "several" engine designs, but FIFTY FOUR proven and tested engine
designs ranging from a C6 through an I65.
It also contains complete instructions on the making of homemade motor
casings and homemade igniters, and it has an entire chapter devoted to the
construction and use of a homemade test stand and strip-chart recorder that
you can make from common surplus and hardware items. Finally, it teaches you
how, with simple things like a ruler and graph paper, to interpret the data
and calculate your motors' total burn time, maximum thrust, total impulse,
average thrust, and specific impulse. This is VERY educational stuff.
Very little information,? Is this REALLY someone who's read my book? He
certainly doesn't SOUND like someone who's read my book. Is it possible that
his post is just another example of anti-amateur rocketry spin and
propaganda, and another effort to discourage people from making homemade
rocket motors? I would ask everyone on this newsgroup to ask YOURSELVES the
same question whenever you see a post like this.
David Sleeter, author of "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction"
Joyce - 28 Nov 2004 18:31 GMT
where can I get a copy and how much is it, I got the amateur guide to model
rocketry from pyrotek but it only tells how to make one formula and two
sizes,and I wan't something more detailed
> In a recent thread about the book, "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction",
> someone posted the following message.
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> David Sleeter, author of "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction"
David Sleeter - 28 Nov 2004 19:58 GMT
> Where can I get a copy and how much is it, I got the amateur guide to
> model rocketry from pyrotek but it only tells how to make one formula and
> two sizes,and I wan't something more detailed
"Amateur Rocket Motor Construction" is available from numerous rocketry
dealers on the Internet, and you'll also find it on eBay and www.amazon.com.
Just type the title (in quotes) into the Google, eBay, or Amazon search
engines. It is also listed in "Books in Print", so you can order it through
a bookstore. The giant book distributor, Baker & Taylor, just placed their
first order, so your local bookstore can get it from Baker & Taylor. It's
also currently available at several hobby shops scattered throughout the
country.
David Sleeter
David Sleeter - 28 Nov 2004 22:20 GMT
In my previous post on where to buy "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction", I
forgot to mention some information sometimes desired by bookstores. The
book's ISBN number is 0-930387-04-X, and its Library of Congress catalogue
card number is 95-090904.
David Sleeter
Jeff Taylor - 28 Nov 2004 21:46 GMT
> where can I get a copy and how much is it, I got the amateur guide to model
> rocketry from pyrotek but it only tells how to make one formula and two
> sizes,and I wan't something more detailed
You might want to check out the book "Experimental Composite Propellant"
by Dr. Terry McCreary. It is a good hands-on manual for making high
energy composite propellant. You can buy a copy at www.lokiresearch.com
-Jeff Taylor
Loki Research
cat - 29 Nov 2004 02:20 GMT
> You might want to check out the book "Experimental Composite Propellant"
In my opinion this is an amazing book. It answered all the questions I
didn't even know how to ask. But what do I know Dave has already insinuated
my opinion is "just another example of anti-amateur rocketry spin and
propaganda"
-Cat
cat - 29 Nov 2004 02:39 GMT
Sorry David calling you Dave was a typo.
> > You might want to check out the book "Experimental Composite Propellant"
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> -Cat
David Sleeter - 29 Nov 2004 02:52 GMT
In the previous post, Jeff Taylor said:
"You might want to check out the book ,"Experimental Composite
Propellants"...
Then "Cat" replied:
> In my opinion this is an amazing book. It answered all the questions I
> didn't even know how to ask. But what do I know Dave has already
> insinuated
> my opinion is "just another example of anti-amateur rocketry spin and
> propaganda"
Now I'm wondering if "Cat" has his authors mixed up. I (Dave) am NOT the
author of "Experimental Composite Propellants". Dr. Terry McCreary wrote
"Experimental Composite Propellants" (an EXCELLENT book). I (Dave) am the
author of "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction" about which Cat said, "The
book is "OK" I wouldn't buy it again. Seams (he spelled seems wrong)
everyone thinks (the word "it" is missing) is great but I can't see why."
Then, as I point out in my post that started this thread, Cat proceeded to
GREATLY understate and misrepresent the book's contents. Though he may not
have INTENDED his comments to sound like anti-amateur rocketry propaganda, I
think many people would agree that they did. Who is Cat? The only "Cats" I'm
familiar with are Cat Stevens (currently in trouble for his anti-American
politics), and Audrey Hepburn's feline companion in "Breakfast at
Tiffany's".
David Sleeter
cat - 29 Nov 2004 03:20 GMT
all I can do is laugh... ohh well
> In the previous post, Jeff Taylor said:
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> David Sleeter
Jerry Irvine - 29 Nov 2004 02:58 GMT
> > You might want to check out the book "Experimental Composite Propellant"
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> -Cat
BP and APCP are different universes.
Dave's book is wonderful for BP.
It is also a work of art and should be purchased for that reason alone.
I am biased toward APCP BTW.

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David Sleeter - 29 Nov 2004 02:23 GMT
> You might want to check out the book "Experimental Composite Propellant"
> by Dr. Terry McCreary. It is a good hands-on manual for making high
> energy composite propellant. You can buy a copy at www.lokiresearch.com
>
> -Jeff Taylor
> Loki Research
Though I'm not involved with composite propellants myself, I've heard
consistently that Dr. McCreary's book is truly EXCELLENT.
David Sleeter
cat - 29 Nov 2004 02:38 GMT
David,
I appreciate you're opinion; however I don't appreciate you referring to my
opinion as "just another example of anti-amateur rocketry spin and
propaganda".
I apologize for saying you book doesn't have much information, that's not
true it contains a lot of information. I didn't find it to be "a complete
guide to the construction of homemade solid fuel rocket motors" I never
said it was a bad book, I just don't think it lived up to the hype, sorry to
me it wasent helpful.
-Cat
> In a recent thread about the book, "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction",
> someone posted the following message.
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> David Sleeter, author of "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction"
T - 29 Nov 2004 08:16 GMT
> David,
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> -Cat
Hmmmm. Google is our friend....
http://www.aeroconsystems.com/literature/teleflite/teleflite.html
TBerk