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Model Forum / General / Rockets / February 2005Vashon Freon Rockets on Ebay
Hi Folks: Regarding my auction for the Vashon & Estes freon-powered rocket motors (the one that eBay cancelled), I've received several inquiries asking if the auction will started again. As I said in a previous post, I've sent eBay a long email explaining their mistake, and asking that the auction be reinstated. I sent them a second email this morning, and I'm still awaiting their reply. A recent form letter from their president says that they're in the process of reorganizing and personalizing their customer service department and the way they respond to customer problems, so I'm expecting that, at least for now, their reply might take a while. David Sleeter good luck. Ebay did the same think for a cb base radio. talked to them, they said it was ok, then they pulled it a second time. luckily I got the emails of the highest 2 bidders and sold it directly. I advise ROL  SignatureTater KC9ESF NAR #79654 L1 AMA #747769 EAA #703312 > Hi Folks: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > David Sleeter > Ebay did the same think for a cb base radio. talked to them, they said it > was ok, then they pulled it a second time. OK, I'll bite..... Why won't eBay let you sell a CB radio? the model i was selling was an older base station type, well known for being easily modified..... I specifically posted in the auction that the radio was not modified and they still pulled it (sigh) SignatureTater KC9ESF NAR #79654 L1 AMA #747769 EAA #703312 > > > Ebay did the same think for a cb base radio. talked to them, they said it > > was ok, then they pulled it a second time. > > OK, I'll bite..... Why won't eBay let you sell a CB radio? > the model i was selling was an older base station type, well known for being > easily modified..... > > I specifically posted in the auction that the radio was not modified and > they still pulled it (sigh) Modified to to what? >> the model i was selling was an older base station type, well known for >> being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Modified to to what? Higher output power, also off frequency operation. >> the model i was selling was an older base station type, well known for >> being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Modified to to what? Transmit out of the CB band of frequencies. John > >> the model i was selling was an older base station type, well known for > >> being [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Transmit out of the CB band of frequencies. The FCC is nuts on this kind of thing...depending on which way you go out of band on a 27 MHz CB it is possible to interfere with amateur radio (annoying to hams, illegal, but maybe not particularly hazardous) or, worse, with DOD (usually USAF) HF communications. The FCC and the Air Force get really upset when a couple of truckers come up on a frequency used by B-52's... MJ WB9QLR > The FCC is nuts on this kind of thing...depending on which way you go > out of band on a 27 MHz CB it is possible to interfere with amateur radio > (annoying to hams, illegal, but maybe not particularly hazardous) or, worse, > with DOD (usually USAF) HF communications. The FCC and the Air Force > get really upset when a couple of truckers come up on a frequency used > by B-52's... They might get upset but it would be something really weird, if it ever happened, considering a standard CB transmits on less than 5 watts, a B-52 would have to be flying mid service ceiling and directly overhead to cause much interference. Randy >They might get upset but it would be something really weird, if it ever >happened, considering a standard CB transmits on less than 5 watts, a B-52 >would have to be flying mid service ceiling and directly overhead to cause >much interference. > > Up until the time that MCAS El Toro was closed, there were plenty of times that B-52s would come in to land over one of the busiest freeway interchanges in the world (the junction of the 405 and 5, called the El Toro 'Y'). They weren't very high above oodles of truckers at that point... David Erbas-White The problem is that people are modifying ham radio gear to transmit at MUCH higher power levels in the CB band. They get much longer range but tend to splatter signal outside the CB band... I think that is why the original poster told eBay that the equipment was unmodified. That was obviously too fine a distinction for the eBay screeners. I would expect eBay to have "specialists" to screen particular bid types. That doesn't seem to be the case... 8( >>with DOD (usually USAF) HF communications. The FCC and the Air Force >>get really upset when a couple of truckers come up on a frequency used [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > would have to be flying mid service ceiling and directly overhead to cause > much interference. SignatureWill Marchant, NAR 13356, Tripoli 10125 L2 kc6rol@amsat.org http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/will/ I suspect those who can modify CB's to operate on illegal frequences have the know-how to jack up the power too ... they're operating on a lot more than 5 watts. - tw > > The FCC is nuts on this kind of thing...depending on which way you go > > out of band on a 27 MHz CB it is possible to interfere with amateur radio [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Randy >I suspect those who can modify CB's to operate on illegal frequences have > the know-how to jack up the power too ... they're operating on a lot more [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Randy I spent many years working on the B-52 Weapon Systems Trainer (simulator). During that time I was well aquainted with some of the top Buff crews and the aircraft capabilities. A friend who was a top radar navagator in the B-52s and was the test director for the acceptance of the Block 2 upgrade to the simulator used to tell me stories about CB and RC transmissions and their effect on the B-52. You don't have much to worry about except the loss of your equipment if you bother these people. The vehicle has equipment that can scan all frequences and jam anything they want. He enjoyed flying over R/C sites and when he saw more R/C activity than he cared for he had several choiced depending on his mood. He could chose to ignore them. He could put enough RF out on their frequences to jam the transmitter to receiver connection, resulting of the loss of any plane in the air and if he was feeling really vindictive, he could send signals with enough power to literally burn out the flight packs in the airplanes. So I don't think we have much to worry about in terms of causing RF problems on a B-52. But it would behoove you to be aware of your surroundings and try to keep emissions to a minimum when these aircraft are making training sessions in your area. It's a loud aircraft, when you hear one, clear the airspace so they can do their job and keep us all safe. Dave snip POINT! Randy > >I suspect those who can modify CB's to operate on illegal frequences have > > the know-how to jack up the power too ... they're operating on a lot more [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > want. He enjoyed flying over R/C sites and when he saw more R/C activity > than he cared for he had several choiced depending on his mood. "More that he cared for"...just what does that mean? Since when are military personal authorized with "Judge Dredd" style enforcement of civilian activities? I wasn't authorized to run over civilian vehicles in the 5 ton recovery unit I operated if they broke the law, no matter how tempted I might have been. Sounds like a court martial looking for a location. Or BS. > He could chose to ignore them. He could put enough RF out on their frequences to jam > the transmitter to receiver connection, resulting of the loss of any plane > in the air and if he was feeling really vindictive, he could send signals > with enough power to literally burn out the flight packs in the airplanes. Really starting to smell now, and it ain't the smell of burned transistors, either. Not the technical feasibility, but the idea that someone actually did these actions. SignatureTweak |
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