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rocketflt@aol.com - 27 Mar 2005 18:03 GMT
I know this has happened to others but you never think it will happen
to.  The other day I logged into my Premier Business PayPay account to
find out I had been cleaned out of funds.  Upon further investigation I
found that someone had gotten my debit card information and had gone to
a website called thewiz.com out of Farmingdale NY and went on a buying
spree.  I contacted PayPal and they canceled the card and me file a
dispute with this company.  What are my chances of recovering 100's of
dollars worth of lost funds?  I take many precautions to prevent this
very thing from happening including not allowing my credit card
information to be stored on website order from or the auto fill
provided by AOL and I shred all important documents before throwing it
out.  

Greg Dyben
Rocketflite
Bob Kaplow - 27 Mar 2005 18:31 GMT
> I know this has happened to others but you never think it will happen
> to.  The other day I logged into my Premier Business PayPay account to
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> provided by AOL and I shred all important documents before throwing it
> out.  

If it were a "real" credit card, you'd be protected. But the way PayPal and
other online transaction services are set up, THEY are protected, but YOU
are not. Yet another reason to use real credit cards and not these online
services.

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Kurt - 27 Mar 2005 19:41 GMT
>>I know this has happened to others but you never think it will happen
>>to.  The other day I logged into my Premier Business PayPay account to
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>     Bob Kaplow    NAR # 18L    TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"

Yeah,

  Just two weeks ago my Visa card was compromised.  It was a Platinum
card and I have no idea where the information was stolen from.  Their
fraud department apparently noticed bunch of transactions that didn't
jive.  The perp(s) were ordering stuff and trying to get it shipped to
other addresses.
  I noticed the problem as I tried to make a charge and it wasn't
accepted.  No big deal as I have another card.  I called Visa right away
as I pay off the card every month.  They advised me of the situation and
told me to look at my credit card statement very carefully.  I would
then get an affidavit to sign and I wouldn't be responsible for any of
the illicit charges.  They of course officially canceled the card and
sent me a new one.
  I just got the statement last Monday and I have to give it to them,
there were only two charges on the card that went through and I didn't
make.  One for a consumer electronics outfit in New York and one for a
porn movie site.  Since I haven't bought anything from anyplace in New
York and never have subscribed to a porn site. Those were easy to pick out.
  All the model rocket and hobby shop charges were easy to see and I
was  glad to pay that portion off. :)
  I have no idea as to how the info was stolen.  I do not answer any of
the spam baloney.  And only purchase online from suppliers I seek out
and suspect to be legitimate.  The guy in the fraud department said that
it could have been a store clerk who leaked the i.d. and sold it out of
state.  Really is frightening if think of it.

                                      Kurt Savegnago
pratthobbies@rocketryonline.com - 28 Mar 2005 14:57 GMT
I'm glad Visa was helpful. I've had good experience with them from the
standpoint of a vendor who accepts their cards.

When I set up ecommerce on the Pratt Hobbies web site last April I had
the option to automatically process credit cards as the orders came in,
but elected not to. Instead, the order form with the cc information is
sent to a secure server, and I log in several times a day, print out
the orders, and erase the files. At that point your cc information only
exists on a piece of paper, and if a hacker can get that off my desk,
they're pretty good. I process each card manually through a computer
that is used for that purpose only and has only dial-up access to the
Internet. Once the order is completed the paper is shredded. Many
customers ask why I don't have their credit card number on file when
they want to reorder, but I think the inconvenience is a small price to
pay. If a customer of mine got ripped off and it turned out to be my
fault, I'd be humiliated.

For other small businesses, I would like to recommend that you become a
real, gen-yoo-wine credit card merchant rather than going through
Paypal or similar services. I have worked with ECHO Inc. as my
clearinghouse for the last eight years and their service is
outstanding. They send regular security alerts and newsletters (a few
months ago they said to never accept ANY credit card order from
Thailand or the Phillipines, as there is better than 80% chance it's
fraudulent). When something shows up that raises a red flag, they call
me. I can do address verification through them and accept checks. I
don't need a swiper, just a PC with web access; could do it on the
field with a PDA if I wanted. And their rates are excellent. Check them
out at www.echoinc.com, and tell them Pratt Hobbies sent you. It is not
easy to get a new account, they will check you out thoroughly...and
that's a good thing.

Doug Pratt
dad-at-pratthobbies-well-you-know
W. E. Fred Wallace - 28 Mar 2005 01:31 GMT
>>I know this has happened to others but you never think it will happen
>>to.  The other day I logged into my Premier Business PayPay account to
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>
>     Bob Kaplow   

Yep, this is just one of the reasons I refuse to have a verified PayPal
account. I purchase with PayPal, using a credit card, but will not allow
 one dime in payment to me via PayPal or add a bank account. That way
if someone ever attempts to screw me on a deal, I paid with my credit
card through PayPal, I can still do a charge back. I know; I will only
get to do it once and PayPal will probably cancel my PayPal account.
However, I think I can live with it...

Fred
Gretta Lif - 27 Mar 2005 19:41 GMT
Best bet is to not to keep any more quantity of funds than you need in
your account.

>I know this has happened to others but you never think it will happen
>to.  The other day I logged into my Premier Business PayPay account to
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>Greg Dyben
>Rocketflite
Cliff Sojourner - 28 Mar 2005 07:42 GMT
not so much credit card fraud, but "business as usual" for paypal.

check out paypalsucks.com for some commiseration and even more
outrageous scandals.

> I know this has happened to others but you never think it will happen
> to.  The other day I logged into my Premier Business PayPay account to
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> Greg Dyben
> Rocketflite
 
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