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Save Rocketry Now, phase 2 - tickets on sale!

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Kevin Trojanowski - 25 Apr 2005 01:23 GMT
Tickets for Save Rocketry Now, phase 2 are now on sale!  $10 per ticket,
for every 5 tickets purchased at the same time, you will receive a 6th
ticket free!

http://www.saverocketrynow.org/entries.asp

We have a great list of donations from our vendors at
http://www.saverocketrynow.org/prizes.asp

Any vendors who would still like to participate may do so by sending an
email to saverocketry@cox.net and submitting their information at
http://www.saverocketrynow.org/vendorInfo.asp

-Kevin
Jerry Irvine - 25 Apr 2005 02:00 GMT
> Tickets for Save Rocketry Now, phase 2 are now on sale!  $10 per ticket,
> for every 5 tickets purchased at the same time, you will receive a 6th
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -Kevin

Please support this effort.

Most of the funds go directly to the attorneys for the legal effort.

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late)
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

Kevin Trojanowski - 25 Apr 2005 02:25 GMT
> Please support this effort.

...as well as the vendors who have.

> Most of the funds go directly to the attorneys for the legal effort.

To better clarify that...  If we meet the goal, $5,000 will also go to
advertising for the hobby as a whole.  While that's not much, it's a start.

The only money collected that doesn't go to either the attorneys or
advertising will be that which goes to banks as exchange fees for credit
card transactions.

-Kevin
Jerry Irvine - 25 Apr 2005 02:43 GMT
> > Please support this effort.
>
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> To better clarify that...  If we meet the goal, $5,000 will also go to
> advertising for the hobby as a whole.  While that's not much, it's a start.

25% of the first money and 0% of subsequent money goes to my pet
project: outreach.

And thank god, given the system newbies would be forced to be exposed
to, ("lone ranger" free HPR rocketry).

The legal effort, as strange as it is, is our best hope right now.

As well as changes well within the authority of TRA/NAR to make
INTERNALLY right now with no delay whatsoever.

I have offered to CHAIR a committee to implement immediate highly
leveraged changes to DOUBLE club membership.

...

Jerry

TRA 012
NAR 24333
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> The only money collected that doesn't go to either the attorneys or
> advertising will be that which goes to banks as exchange fees for credit
> card transactions.
>
> -Kevin

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late)
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

raydunakin@aol.com - 25 Apr 2005 06:12 GMT
> And thank god, given the system newbies would be forced to be exposed

> to, ("lone ranger" free HPR rocketry).

I do "lone ranger" rocketry all the time. There is nothing in the
"system" that prevents it.

> The legal effort, as strange as it is, is our best hope right now.

Correct.

> As w ell as changes well within the authority of TRA/NAR to make
> INTERNALLY right now with no delay whatsoever.

No internal club changes would eliminate the ATF problem, nor would it
make legal shipping any easier.

> I have offered to CHAIR a committee...

Naturally. That gargantuan ego of yours wouldn't permit you to merely
serve the hobby under someone else.

r
default - 25 Apr 2005 17:03 GMT
Kevin,  Could you please provide a more detailed list of prizes?  At
least a total number of prizes to be awarded?  I prefer a raffle where
there are many prizes and many chances to win as opposed to a few
"mega" prizes.

thanks,
steve

> Tickets for Save Rocketry Now, phase 2 are now on sale!  $10 per ticket,
> for every 5 tickets purchased at the same time, you will receive a 6th
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -Kevin
AlMax - 25 Apr 2005 17:55 GMT
> Kevin,  Could you please provide a more detailed list of prizes?  At
> least a total number of prizes to be awarded?  I prefer a raffle where
> there are many prizes and many chances to win as opposed to a few
> "mega" prizes.

If it's done the same way as the first time, they will be taking all the
booty and deviding it into prize lots for tons of prise chances.
David - 26 Apr 2005 01:25 GMT
I agree, maybe I'm being petty, but I gave over half a grand last time, and
got zero prizes... while several others I know of got multiple prize lots...

-- David
> Kevin,  Could you please provide a more detailed list of prizes?  At
> least a total number of prizes to be awarded?  I prefer a raffle where
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>>
>> -Kevin
Jerry Irvine - 26 Apr 2005 03:51 GMT
> I agree, maybe I'm being petty, but I gave over half a grand last time, and
> got zero prizes... while several others I know of got multiple prize lots...

If you get screwed again I will donate a prize to you (or any other
person of like experience).

Buy tickets!

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late)
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

Kevin Trojanowski - 26 Apr 2005 12:39 GMT
> Kevin,  Could you please provide a more detailed list of prizes?  At
> least a total number of prizes to be awarded?  I prefer a raffle where
> there are many prizes and many chances to win as opposed to a few
> "mega" prizes.

I did a quick add last night, and we have $14,391 in prizes at the
current total.

In the next week or so, I will break the prizes down into "lots".  We
won't draw for each individual item, but there won't be any lots with 10
items in it, either.  The goal will be to be reasonable to the donors in
terms of how many people to ship to, while at the same time having as
many winners as possible.

How will things be grouped?  I'll give an example...  One donor has
offered up boxes of modroc tubing, someone else has offered parachutes
appropriate for that size rocket.  There's a logical pairing of prizes
-- tubes to build with, and a parachute or two to use with it.

Another example would be to pair motor hardware donations with a kit
that has that size motor mount.

I don't want 5 "grand winners" who walk away with more stuff than
they'll use in the next 2 years.  I want to see lots of people walk away
with something, while at the same time (for the most part) avoiding
drawing individually for each item.  Some items WILL be a prize by
themselves.

-Kevin
Jerry Irvine - 26 Apr 2005 14:11 GMT
> > Kevin,  Could you please provide a more detailed list of prizes?  At
> > least a total number of prizes to be awarded?  I prefer a raffle where
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I did a quick add last night, and we have $14,391 in prizes at the
> current total.

Hmmm. About 20% USR.

> In the next week or so, I will break the prizes down into "lots".  We
> won't draw for each individual item, but there won't be any lots with 10
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Another example would be to pair motor hardware donations with a kit
> that has that size motor mount.

> I don't want 5 "grand winners" who walk away with more stuff than
> they'll use in the next 2 years.  I want to see lots of people walk away
> with something,

Good.

> while at the same time (for the most part) avoiding
> drawing individually for each item.  Some items WILL be a prize by
> themselves.
>
> -Kevin

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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late)
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

default - 26 Apr 2005 17:56 GMT
Excellent!  Thanks for the reply, Kevin.  That's what I was hoping for.
Not just to suit me, but I think you'll draw more attention if you
have the prize packages listed.  Don't wanna overlook the drool factor!

steve "ticket buyer" bloom
Kevin Trojanowski - 26 Apr 2005 22:59 GMT
> Excellent!  Thanks for the reply, Kevin.  That's what I was hoping for.
>  Not just to suit me, but I think you'll draw more attention if you
> have the prize packages listed.  Don't wanna overlook the drool factor!

Yep, and when the packages are announced, there will be an announcement.

By the way, the drool factor just went up -- we have another donor, plus
Ed Miller will be building and applying one of his top-notch custom
paint jobs to one of the kits being donated.  A nice kit just got that
much better!

-Kevin
 
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