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Model Forum / General / Rockets / April 2005Lament for the C11-0
It must be assumed that Estes withdrew the C11-0 due to lack of demand. But that doesn't stop me from being frustrated. It is a perfect booster for mid-sized model rockets (BT-55, BT-60). It has plenty of thrust to get things moving with authority, but it stages at a "fun" altitude, low enough to see what's happening. It's sort of today's B14-0. I have several rockets I use it in. Yes, they can all be flown with D12-0's instead, but I find the combos of C11-0:C11, C11-0:D12 and C11-0:E9 to be fantastic staging flights. Yesterday, I flew my Tuber on a C11:E9 combo, and it was awesome. http://tinyurl.com/cg69l Maybe if there's enough demand, Estes will bring them back. Doug Everyone should fly something staged this week... snip Doug, Go out and pick up every one you can find. Stock up as much as possible and you'll be able to enjoy them for a while yet. I did that with A8-0's and still have about 60 or so I use for special flights. Randy http://vernarockets.com/ > Go out and pick up every one you can find. Stock up as much as possible and > you'll be able to enjoy them for a while yet. I did that with A8-0's and > still have about 60 or so I use for special flights. Insert standard comment about not using no longer certified motors at NAR or TRA launches, or where prohibited by state law... Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org The problem with governments is that citizens need to keep them on a short leash; unfortunately the nature of the beast is such that governments can usually arrange it so that only they hold their own leash. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Add new standard comment about lobbying NAR to change the rules to allow such motors to be used unless a reasonable, rational explanation is provided... David Erbas-White >Add new standard comment about lobbying NAR to change the rules to allow >such motors to be used unless a reasonable, rational explanation is >provided... Has anyone approached the proper NAR people - probably either S&T or the NFPA rep - in a positive and helpful context to discuss such changes? Glen I started a previous thread trying to gauge people's feelings about it. I also plan on talking to folks at NSL. I then plan on submitting a proposal to NAR. David Erbas-White > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Glen > >>Add new standard comment about lobbying NAR to change the rules to allow >>such motors to be used unless a reasonable, rational explanation is >>provided... > > Has anyone approached the proper NAR people - probably either S&T or the NFPA > rep - in a positive and helpful context to discuss such changes? Yes, more than once IIRC. Someone should bring it to the floor during the next association meeting. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org People who exercise their embryonic freedom day after day, little by little, expand that freedom. People who do not will find that it withers until they are literally "being lived." They are acting out scripts written by parents, associates, and society. --Stephen R. Covey > >>Add new standard comment about lobbying NAR to change the rules to allow > >>such motors to be used unless a reasonable, rational explanation is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Someone should bring it to the floor during the next association meeting. YA waste of time.  SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 This would probably require a change to NFPA 1125 (It might not, I have never read anything about this document other than what is posted in the ROP and ROC documents.) which is currently in the middle of its 5 year revision process. I just noticed that the Report on Proposals document is now on the NFPA web site. If you want to see what was proposed, and what survived the ROP stage, go to: http://www.nfpa.org/Assets/Files/PDF/ROP/1125-06-ROP.pdf If you want to make some other change, you have to wait five years for the next revision cycle. >>>Add new standard comment about lobbying NAR to change the rules to allow >>>such motors to be used unless a reasonable, rational explanation is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > They are acting out scripts written by parents, associates, and > society. --Stephen R. Covey SignatureDavid W. Schultz http://home.earthlink.net/~david.schultz Just because you wind up naked doesn't make you an emperor. - M.A. Padlipsky > NFPA 1125 > If you want to make some other change, you have to wait five years for the > next > revision cycle. Listen to David Schultz. Want a change to renewal cert rules? MUST be done at the FULL COMMITTEE level now. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > Yesterday, I flew my Tuber on > a C11:E9 combo, and it was awesome. > > http://tinyurl.com/cg69l Doug, will my Tuber look exactly like that when it is built? Not bloody likely :-) Signature* Do NOT use Reply * Reply to K3TD via arrl dot net Tad, K3TD TRA #4501 > Doug, will my Tuber look exactly like that when it is built? Hi, Tad, NO. In all likelihood yours will have the correct nosecone :) When I lawndarted Tuber2 last fall in Windom (on its maiden flight no less), it destroyed the only thing salvaged from the original Tuber - the oft dinged nosecone. Hence I made this new one, but kinda got carried away on the lathe and ended up with a decidedly different looking nosecone. Don gave me a new one, but I didn't get it finished in time for this weekend's launch. I'm sure you'll enjoy your Tuber. Everyone who gets one receives good fortune :) Doug How big a fortune are we talking about? |
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