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Jerry Irvine - 26 Apr 2005 17:07 GMT
He was yet another LMR witch hunt casualty.

And he had a bulletproof defense. He was exempt as a manufacturer doing
R&D.

Stine/Miller/Apt booted him devoid of "due process". A monologue is not
due process BTW. It is a kangaroo court.

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Bob Kaplow - 27 Apr 2005 02:54 GMT
> He was yet another LMR witch hunt casualty.
>
> And he had a bulletproof defense. He was exempt as a manufacturer doing
> R&D.

Not at the time.

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Jerry Irvine - 27 Apr 2005 03:13 GMT
> > He was yet another LMR witch hunt casualty.
> >
> > And he had a bulletproof defense. He was exempt as a manufacturer doing
> > R&D.
>
> Not at the time.

At the time.

Jay Apt refused to allow a point by point defense in favor of a Miller
monologue.

My legal defense was ignored in toto.

It was a kangaroo court pure and simple.

Resided over by an astronaut.

Evil resides in the strangest places.

Jerry

And now for the first time it is on the record.

Jay is retired from NASA.

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CJC - 27 Apr 2005 03:32 GMT
Now Jerry I let the first  mention of 'Kangaroo Court' go.......but that's
twice......I gotta pipe up!!!
I hope you aren't linking us Aussies with something bad here???

As one of our former Chick Pollies would say....."Please Explain"

I'm kidding...............as in joke.........  :-)

>> In article <01rocket-9AF4AE.09072426042005@corp.supernews.com>, Jerry
>> Irvine
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>
> Jay is retired from NASA.
David Weinshenker - 27 Apr 2005 03:40 GMT
> Now Jerry I let the first  mention of 'Kangaroo Court' go.......
> but that's twice......I gotta pipe up!!!
> I hope you aren't linking us Aussies with something bad here???

I suspect it's an Americanism - the term refers to a tribunal which
seems to have been arranged more to produce a prepared result than
to provide a fair hearing on the issues. (I'm not sure how the phrase
itself originated, or what the supposed comparison to kangaroos is
supposed to be...)

-dave w
bit eimer - 27 Apr 2005 03:52 GMT
>> Now Jerry I let the first  mention of 'Kangaroo Court' go.......
>> but that's twice......I gotta pipe up!!!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -dave w

"Interestingly, the term kangaroo court, meaning a criminal proceeding that
is conducted for show and where the defendant is inevitably going to be
found guilty, is not of Australian origin. The earliest use of the term was
recorded in Texas, of all places, circa 1850. The term Kangaroo court was
unknown in Australia until it was introduced there from America. No one
knows how this term arose, but it is usually assumed to be in reference to
how the defendant will be bounced from the court to the gallows. Lighter
suggests that the term may have arisen from the way a kangaroo court defies
the law, just as the kangaroo's appearance seems to defy the laws of
nature."

http://www.wordorigins.org/wordork.htm

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CJC - 27 Apr 2005 08:57 GMT
Well how about that!  Ya learn something new everyday......
To be honest I had never heard of the saying before..........That's just
hopping mad that is....

A friend sitting near by just called me 'Stupid' and give me a belt around
the ears with a length of BT-80....... He knew what it was....
Then again he's been in court more times than I have.......:-)

Duh me!!!

>>> Now Jerry I let the first  mention of 'Kangaroo Court' go.......
>>> but that's twice......I gotta pipe up!!!
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>
> http://www.wordorigins.org/wordork.htm
Alex Mericas - 27 Apr 2005 16:15 GMT
> Well how about that!  Ya learn something new everyday......
> To be honest I had never heard of the saying before..........That's just
> hopping mad that is....

My favorite is a phrase my dad used to say that I believe came from
the Australian Navy.  After finishing a bottled beverage (usually
alcoholic) he would say "another dead Marine", sometimes adding "who
served his country well".
David Weinshenker - 27 Apr 2005 16:18 GMT
> > Well how about that!  Ya learn something new everyday......
> > To be honest I had never heard of the saying before..........That's just
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> alcoholic) he would say "another dead Marine", sometimes adding "who
> served his country well".

I've elsewhere encountered the term
"dead soldiers" for empty drink bottles.

-dave w
Mike Dennett - 27 Apr 2005 17:11 GMT
Yup, we use the term dead soldiers up here though mostly for beer bottles.
Even our cops do, as is "I hope that case in your back seat is all dead
soldiers." "Yes, officer, I'm (hic) taking them back for the deposit (hic).
Would you like a (hic) breath mint?".

Mike D.

> > > Well how about that!  Ya learn something new everyday......
> > > To be honest I had never heard of the saying before..........That's just
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>
> -dave w
Jerry Irvine - 27 Apr 2005 05:22 GMT
> > Now Jerry I let the first  mention of 'Kangaroo Court' go.......
> > but that's twice......I gotta pipe up!!!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> seems to have been arranged more to produce a prepared result than
> to provide a fair hearing on the issues.

What is the Russian (soviet) term for that?

Cuban?

Jerry

(I'm not sure how the phrase
> itself originated, or what the supposed comparison to kangaroos is
> supposed to be...)
>
> -dave w

"Jump" to a conclusion.

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Duane Phillips - 27 Apr 2005 19:07 GMT
> (I'm not sure how the phrase
>> itself originated, or what the supposed comparison to kangaroos is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> "Jump" to a conclusion.

I do believe that is the origin of the phrase.  It sounds more plausible
than an intellectual comparison to the animal itself.

~ Duane Phillips.
Alan Jones - 27 Apr 2005 16:09 GMT
>> Now Jerry I let the first  mention of 'Kangaroo Court' go.......
>> but that's twice......I gotta pipe up!!!
>> I hope you aren't linking us Aussies with something bad here???
>
>I suspect it's an Americanism - the term refers to a tribunal which
>seems to have been arranged more to produce a prepared result

That sounds like a French trial.

> than
>to provide a fair hearing on the issues. (I'm not sure how the phrase
>itself originated, or what the supposed comparison to kangaroos is
>supposed to be...)
>
>-dave w
Jerry Irvine - 27 Apr 2005 05:21 GMT
> Now Jerry I let the first  mention of 'Kangaroo Court' go.......but that's
> twice......I gotta pipe up!!!
> I hope you aren't linking us Aussies with something bad here???

I love Aussies. Email me for proof.

It is a USA "term". Sorry!

> As one of our former Chick Pollies would say....."Please Explain"

> > It was a kangaroo court pure and simple.
> >
> > Resided over by an astronaut.
> >
> > Evil resides in the strangest places.

Jerry

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Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late)
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8

Phil Stein - 27 Apr 2005 13:52 GMT
>> > He was yet another LMR witch hunt casualty.
>> >
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>
>Jay is retired from NASA.

Poor Jerry
 
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