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Model Forum / General / Rockets / May 2005Rocketry in Australia
Hi, I am the web master for the Perth Advanced Rocket Club. Rocketry is on the verge of extinction in Australia. Most web sites are no longer being maintained and people starting with the hobby are left homeless. PARC offers Aussies a rocketry home - not just for Western Australia, but for everyone. We have a forum, a page where you can leave contact info so you can get in touch with other flyers in your state plus a good range of general info. We would like to act as a hub and bring everyone together. So if you are an Aussie and fly rockets or are thinking about it, then drop by the PARC site. http://waro.iinet.net.au/parc/ See you there! Paul Collier Great stuff Paul! Good to see another Aussie flying the flag......... I'm in NSW and I'll put my details down on your site soon. Do you know if NSWRA have worked out a deal with the Gov. for a NSW Launch site??? Last I heard they had a few hurdles to clear....... A few TRA Australia members have been travelling to Serpentine Vic. and launching which I was planning on doing for my cert flights.......Who knows...If I ever get over to WA again I'd love to go to one of your launches.. :-) Cheers, Clint > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Paul Collier G'day Clint, >Great stuff Paul! > >Good to see another Aussie flying the flag......... >I'm in NSW and I'll put my details down on your site soon. Great! With luck we can get other aussies talking to each other and help increase the publics awareness of the hobby. I get a few emails from time to time from people asking if there is a club in their state, but most (all?) of the sites I visit are years out of date with no new info - so I email them and get no reply. Hence this post. >Do you know if NSWRA have worked out a deal with the Gov. for a NSW Launch >site??? >Last I heard they had a few hurdles to clear....... NSWRA is one of thoes sites I was refering to...there is no info on their site telling you what's happening, so I asumed the club was dead. Surely it doesn't take 5 years to find a new launch site? I will try contacting them. If I could get a page up with club listings that would be great, but only if the club has an active website. The SA club doesnt even have any contact info! >A few TRA Australia members have been travelling to Serpentine Vic. and >launching which I was >planning on doing for my cert flights Again, I will try and get in contact with TRA, but their web site is basicly just a link to the usa...I dunno...people make web sites without understanding what people are looking for. >.......Who knows...If I ever get over >to WA again I'd >love to go to one of your launches.. :-) We would love to see you there..except our club as a grand total of about 8 members, and I live 500kms away from the launch site (which is why I have my own) :-) The lack of motors and support for mid/high power rocketry from hobby shops is causing a lot of problems I think. And Dawn trading have a knife to our throats. Apparently they are reluctant to place another order with Aerotech because the motors are slow movers. Paul. These are some brief details of some enquiries I've made - ............ ............ I got no response from the NSWRA Site. Paul Kelly (Aust Hybrid Guru) on the ARocket list kindly provided me a contact to the NSWRA Secretary, Phillip Gilchrist. In that reply he basically said that a few TRA Aust. guys (I'm now an official TRA Cert Level 0....heh heh heh :-) have been going to Vic. There may be a branch forming in NSW (PRETTY PLEASE) but have probs with political crap. ............ ............ An enquiry to David Boyd - He said that TRA Aust. has been very quiet of late. They had an Annual Meeting not long ago. The Tripoli President who was the net contact is standing aside due to work load etc...and they were electing new committee members. ............ ............ An enquiry to TRA's David Wilkins - Hard to get a response but the one I did get was reasonably helpful. Could not contact him directly so I went to TRA HQ USA. They passed on the message. He offered to be one of my TAP members when I go L3....(Thanks David) and gave a few more details about the Serpentine site. 25000ft + ceiling etc...etc... Haven't received a response in regard to my questions about getting H-M motors and igniters etc.... That's currently my biggest prob.....It's hard to find out about this stuff here? Should I risk ordering that gear over the net....if I could get a vendor to sell it that is! Me thinks not! I have thought about manufacturing my own private use motors over the last 10+ yrs. Good old dad, now long retired, was an aircraft engineer in the RAAF and has his own fully equipped workshop up in QLD. I think all the regs. pretty much count out everything but hybrids..... Paperwork sucks! I think on the TRA Aust web site I read somewhere that they have a motor vendor on site? I doubt they'd carry around any of the bigger motors? I don't know? Special order? There's only 3 or 4 hobby shops around here. All but 1 has ESTES / QUEST gear. And they only have Aerotech supplies most prob from DAWN and "SFA" of them!!! I was suppose to be finished my L1 bird and do a cert flight at the June launch but I haven't received all the parts and won't be finished.......I buy thru the net aswell. Got David's Mobile Ph# so I'll give him a call when I'm finished and ready to go.... ........... ........... 8 members & you're 500km away.........heh heh heh... :-) I'm lucky enough to own a small 32 acre property whilst still being only 1hr at the most from Syd. and about 30mins. from Newcastle. Still........I can only fire off Model Rockets and anything that goes higher than 1000ft has a 99% chance of being lost. There's a few nasty trees around. :-) Oh...and I see that you want a PML Ultimate Endeavour? Nice hey.......looking at one right now! :-) Poor thing.....it's out under the carport with no motors to put in it and no where to fly it! > G'day Clint, > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Paul. > These are some brief details of some enquiries I've made - > In that reply he basically said that a few TRA Aust. guys > have been going to Vic. There may be a branch forming in NSW (PRETTY > PLEASE) but have probs with political crap. Hmmm. TRA and political crap. I have a suggestion. Form a group not affiliated with TRA at all and deal ONLY with local issues. You are going to have enough difficulty with motor supply issues alone. > He said that TRA Aust. has been very quiet of late. > An enquiry to TRA's David Wilkins - > > Hard to get a response > He offered to be one of my TAP members when I go L3.... Which helps ONE guy and only when he has already arrived rocketry wise. What is needed is hundreds of NEW users. > Haven't received a response in regard to my questions about getting H-M > motors and igniters etc.... > That's currently my biggest prob.....It's hard to find out about this stuff > here? > I think all the regs. pretty much count out everything but hybrids..... > Paperwork sucks! > There's only 3 or 4 hobby shops around here. All but 1 has ESTES / QUEST > gear. > 8 members & you're 500km away. Life is always easier without TRA and WITH an expanding group. TRA is contracting. Jerry  SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > Hmmm. TRA and political crap. Lucky I know you have a very bias opinion towards anything TRA :-) It was to do with Workcover, Not enough insurance & a launch site. > I have a suggestion. Form a group not affiliated with TRA at all and > deal ONLY with local issues. You are going to have enough difficulty > with motor supply issues alone. I joined TRA & NAR only recently because I thought it would be the easiest & most legal? way to attain larger motors and also learn from alot of experienced people! I've been fling MR for 18yrs and gave up last time because I didn't know we could cert down here And dang it......I want big motors! Including yours Jerry!!! :-) Yeah, you read correctly! Aust. does need all the help we can get! >> He offered to be one of my TAP members when I go L3.... > > Which helps ONE guy and only when he has already arrived rocketry wise. > What is needed is hundreds of NEW users. I'm sure David would help anyone, not just me Jerry..... If I can get my L3 etc... maybe I can help other Aussies that want to do the same thing Or that can't find any info on doing so! > > Hmmm. TRA and political crap. > > Lucky I know you have a very bias opinion towards anything TRA :-) I was trained by them. > I joined TRA & NAR only recently because I thought it would be the easiest & > most legal? way to attain larger motors Did it prove true? > I didn't know we > could cert down here Because no National or state law or regulation in Australia requires it. It is yet another example of TRA adding restrictions where they do not previously exist. I thought you said you needed MORE flying buddies, not less? > And dang it......I want big motors! Including yours Jerry!!! :-) > Yeah, you read correctly! Aust. does need all the help we can get! I appreciate the sentiment. Should it become a fact I look forward to seeing you fly alternate motors. > I'm sure David would help anyone, not just me Jerry..... Almost anyone . . . > If I can get my L3 etc... maybe I can help other Aussies that want to do > the same thing Or that can't find any info on doing so! But "L3" is a USA construct and does not apply to AUS at all. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >> I joined TRA & NAR only recently because I thought it would be the >> easiest & >> most legal? way to attain larger motors > > Did it prove true? I'll let you know over the next 6mnths :-) >> I didn't know we >> could cert down here > > Because no National or state law or regulation in Australia requires it. > It is yet another example of TRA adding restrictions where they do not > previously exist. Well maybe I should have contacted you first Jerry? So how do I get hold of mega motors (Solid), igniters & other pyro devices, keep them at my place and fly to obscene altitudes with a video packed rocket etc. etc...? And do all this without realy knowing how to go about it? And knowing nothing of importation laws etc? And doing this in a legal manor? The last thing I need is a couple of stun grenades being lobbed thru the windows. Followed up by 3 or 4 German Shepards, followed by 12 guys in riot gear with autos pointed at my head. > So how do I get hold of mega motors (Solid), igniters & other pyro devices, > keep them at my place and > fly to obscene altitudes with a video packed rocket etc. etc...? Rather than answer directly since the answer is not installed yet, I say "watch". > And knowing nothing of importation laws etc? I agree that is a major issue. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > > So how do I get hold of mega motors (Solid), igniters & other pyro devices, > > keep them at my place and > > fly to obscene altitudes with a video packed rocket etc. etc...? > > Rather than answer directly since the answer is not installed yet... So you have no answer yet you've been talking as if you had all the answers. > ...I say "watch". Watch what?? > > > So how do I get hold of mega motors (Solid), igniters & other pyro > devices, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Watch what?? I am tired of you Ray. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >>>>So how do I get hold of mega motors (Solid), igniters & other pyro >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I am tired of you Ray. That's not an answer to the question, just a cop out. > > > > So how do I get hold of mega motors (Solid), igniters & other pyro > > devices, > > > > keep them at my place and > > > > fly to obscene altitudes with a video packed rocket etc. etc...? > > > > > > Ra ther than answer directly since the answer is not installed yet... > > So you have no answer yet you've been talking as if you had all the > > answers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I am tired of you Ray. Boohoo. Try giving a straight answer to simple questions for a change. >> I didn't know we >> could cert down here > >Because no National or state law or regulation in Australia requires it. >It is yet another example of TRA adding restrictions where they do not >previously exist. Spot on. Australia should find it's own way instead of hanging of America's skirts all the time. In WA, the law is: You need to have your club membership endorsed to fly on H & I impulse motors - no mention of how the club should do that. PARC follows the NAR guidlines because they make sence and it is wise for a rocketeer to display a certain amount of knowledge before stepping up to bigger motors, but we are not required by law to follow any US codes - only thoes set out by the local club. >> And dang it......I want big motors! Including yours Jerry!!! :-) >> Yeah, you read correctly! Aust. does need all the help we can get! >I appreciate the sentiment. Should it become a fact I look forward to >seeing you fly alternate motors. Get them in the hobby stores here and we'll fly 'em. >> If I can get my L3 etc... maybe I can help other Aussies that want to do >> the same thing Or that can't find any info on doing so! >But "L3" is a USA construct and does not apply to AUS at all. It's all about state laws over here. As far as I can tell, federal laws don't realy touch rocketry - it's up to the state and more precisley, the body that governs pyrotechnics, which is usually the mining and resources arm of the state gov. Also, CASA have a big say (obviously). It's -=CASA=- that limits liftoff weight and total impulse. In WA, CASA limit us to 1.5kg liftoff weight and 320Nsec thrust. And it goes without saying that CASA limit the launch altitude. Which for the most part is stupid, because we have so much unused airspace it just isn't funny. They pulled a face when I asked for 3500ft and we get like, 1 aircraft a month in the area if we are lucky. > It's -=CASA=- that limits liftoff weight and total impulse. In WA, > CASA limit us to 1.5kg liftoff weight and 320Nsec thrust. And it goes > without saying that CASA limit the launch altitude. Which for the most > part is stupid, because we have so much unused airspace it just isn't > funny. They pulled a face when I asked for 3500ft and we get like, 1 > aircraft a month in the area if we are lucky. You mean, gag, they have arbirtary rules in OZ too? :) SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >>It's -=CASA=- that limits liftoff weight and total impulse. In WA, >>CASA limit us to 1.5kg liftoff weight and 320Nsec thrust. And it goes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > :) jerry thinks any rule he doesn't like, is arbitrary. No we can and do launch larger and heavier, but it requires an approved launch site under CASA regulations.. TRA Australia's location is and has been defined as a launch site under those regulations since they were introduced, and we have multi-year waivers issued to us, so Impact if your having difficulties with CASA its surprising maybe its how you are approaching them? We have an excellant relationship, with CASA and Air Services and its one earned from a calm professional approach. Regards David Wilkins Tripoli Australia - TRA # 6593 L3 TAP/TRA IT Chair >No we can and do launch larger and heavier, but it requires an approved >launch site under CASA regulations.. You may note that I said WA. And that is in print from CASA. Yes they will come to the party if you need more alt, but as a general rule, they don't like us flying higher than we have to (or they think we should). CASA are overly protective of airspace and since we have so much of it and nothing using it, I don't understand CASA's reluctance about granting the use of it. Just to make it clear - they will do it, but they DONT LIKE IT. Not just rockets, but anything other than conventional aircraft. (ask anyone who flies microlights). >waivers issued to us, so Impact if your having difficulties with CASA >its surprising maybe its how you are approaching them? >We have an excellant relationship, with CASA and Air Services and its >one earned from a calm professional approach. Sounds like you are implying something David, though I'm sure you're not? My relationship with CASA is just fine. I am not complaining about anything, I just pointed out the facts - CASA limit WA to 1.5kg liftoff weight and 320Nsec thrust. When I initially contacted CASA and asked about the proceedure for getting approval to fly rockets, they asked how high I wanted to fly - I told them 3500ft and they were not overly happy about that and said 'we shall see and make a decision when you send in the application forms'. I don't believe I said I am having any difficulties. I have our property approved for rocketry activities to 3500ft and as far as I know, I have more launch dates reserved than anyone else in the country. I said CASA pulled a face when I asked for 3500ft - they still granted it. PARC has had approval to 5000ft in the past. Me? 3500ft is fine and the launch site isn't big enough to fly any higher than that. I seldom fly over 2000ft anyway. I would like to fly heavier rockets on higher impulse motors but that's just my wish list. And just to clear things up, the PARC launch site is not the same as -my- launch site. They are 600kms away from each other and I am not responsible for the activities at PARC...I am just a member and maintain their web site. Regards Paul. Not implying anything, simply pointing out that we have managed to achieve with CASA and working within the regulations. The CASA regulations are federal and apply equally across the country your posts make it appear otherwise. Quite often its about airways location, and how to work with the local flying inspector for CASA. I have written a number of articles for Air Services own newsletter at their request to better inform the controllers as to what are activities encompass. You just sounded frustrated by the regulations and I was pointing out that in a co-operative approach you can achieve a great deal. While there is one person flying rockets here its still alive and has the potential to grow. Regards David Wilkins Tripoli Australia - TRA #6593 L3 TAP/TRA IT Chair >Not implying anything, simply pointing out that we have managed to >achieve with CASA and working within the regulations. The CASA >regulations are federal and apply equally across the country your posts >make it appear otherwise. I guess it just depends on the individual you deal with at CASA and the mood they are in. >I have written a number of articles for Air Services own newsletter at >their request to better inform the controllers as to what are >activities encompass. Good stuff. >You just sounded frustrated by the regulations and I was pointing out >that in a co-operative approach you can achieve a great deal. Not frustrated, I just think CASA are overly protective of our sparsely used airspace. OK, in the suburbs or near flight paths things are different, but out here in the sticks??? >While there is one person flying rockets here its still alive and has >the potential to grow. Well thats what I am about..letting people know that this hobby is for real and its a great thing to get involved with (well, it would be if there were any motors in the country). I think you guys are the only ones left with anything bigger than an F. Regards Paul. > >While there is one person flying rockets here its still alive and has > >the potential to grow. One person :) > Well thats what I am about..letting people know that this hobby is for > real and its a great thing to get involved with (well, it would be if > there were any motors in the country). I think you guys are the only > ones left with anything bigger than an F. I have proposed to Defence that a provision should be made for a range of increrased consumer-educational rocketry. They indicated they would likely be the ones to "push" any legislative changes needed to allow it. They suggested the clubs form a proposal. That's where it stopped, unless I unilaterally did it myself. 1. the club system in OZ is small and weak 2. There is plenty of infighting among the few 3. There is a lack of the "vision thing" since there are so few motors CURRENTLY available. I for one stand ready to assist. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > I have proposed to Defence that a provision should be made for a range > of increrased consumer-educational rocketry. They indicated they would [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jerry Here come dem "model airplane parts"... (:-) >> I have proposed to Defence that a provision should be made for a range >> of increrased consumer-educational rocketry. They indicated they would [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Here come dem "model airplane parts"... (:-) Fred, How about a list of who 'Big Fine' will be owing money once he starts exporting dem 'Model Airplane Parts.' Also if you have it handy, weather or not they have extradition agreements with the US. Unfortunately Jerry this shows how little you know about rocketry and its regulation down here. Kind of similar to your grasp of the law. You want to enlighten RMR as to why DOD cant change the situation?? I am betting you dont have a clue.. so lets see with your keen mind for all matters legal just how close you can get and last time I looked ADFA dont have a rocketry program. Ready to assist, the only assistance I have heard you providing was trying to arrange questionable shipments. But as I was not a witness to those deals I guess thats just hearsay :-) David > Unfortunately Jerry this shows how little you know about rocketry and > its regulation down here. Kind of similar to your grasp of the law. > > You want to enlighten RMR as to why DOD cant change the situation?? To begin with, as I said, they would like to see consensus on what to change "to". > I > am betting you dont have a clue.. so lets see with your keen mind for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > trying to arrange questionable shipments. But as I was not a witness > to those deals I guess thats just hearsay :-) The only shipments I have made have been consumer rocket kits. With your "help", I expect it to stay that way. Jerry > > David SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 So from your response I guess your answer (or lack of one) is no and you truly dont have a clue? Then how about you not provide ill informed advice to those who are serious about the development of the hobby and really do know the rules and regulations. Interesting.. I have some documents here from an attempt failed attempt to do a deal on propellant, they do make interesting reading. Careful Jerry, Australia and the USA do have an extradition treaty for criminal offences. David Remember Jerry, Prozac is powerful, but Lithium loves you. > So from your response I guess your answer (or lack of one) is no and > you truly dont have a clue? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Remember Jerry, Prozac is powerful, but Lithium loves you. Could You post those? I would like to see them, as I'm sure others would too. Dave, No as these are between Jerry and other parties. Fortunatly the folks wised up before they got stung. >>>While there is one person flying rockets here its still alive and has >>>the potential to grow. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > They suggested the clubs form a proposal. jerry, Who is "they", that you refer to? > That's where it stopped, unless I unilaterally did it myself. "Unilaterally" do what, yourself? > 1. the club system in OZ is small and weak > 2. There is plenty of infighting among the few > 3. There is a lack of the "vision thing" since there are so few motors > CURRENTLY available. > > I for one stand ready to assist. you are an expert at fraud and deceit, but how does that "assist" anybody besides you? > Jerry > I'm sure David would help anyone, not just me Jerry..... > If I can get my L3 etc... maybe I can help other Aussies that want to do > the same thing Or that can't find any info on doing so! This made me wonder, if a person is certified in the U.S. by NAR / TRA, is it honored in other countries and vice versa? Randy http://vernarockets.com/ > > I'm sure David would help anyone, not just me Jerry..... > > If I can get my L3 etc... maybe I can help other Aussies that want to do [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Randy > http://vernarockets.com/ I would think if it is a NAR or TRA club it would be (which is my point). Since outside of NFPA-1127 states inside USA, the Level certification program has no meaning at all except to clubs. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >> > I'm sure David would help anyone, not just me Jerry..... >> > If I can get my L3 etc... maybe I can help other Aussies that want to do [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >point). Since outside of NFPA-1127 states inside USA, the Level >certification program has no meaning at all except to clubs. Australia will recognise NAR and TRA certs, but that means nothing realy because you need a permit from the state gov (and that now includes a requirement for police clearance (in West Aust at least). So, without the police clearance and state permit, NAR and TRA certs mean nothing. But if you do have thoes things, the clubs will honour your certs. > Which helps ONE guy and only when he has already arrived rocketry wise. > What is needed is hundreds of NEW users. Why don't you move there and show them how to do it? m > An enquiry to TRA's David Wilkins - > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and gave a few more details > about the Serpentine site. 25000ft + ceiling etc...etc... I discovered the group at Serpentine: http://www.tripoli.org.au/ ...in the middle of last year, and managed to get to the last two launches of the year and even squeeze in a L1 cert (and one of these days David Wilkins and myself might even do the paperwork) so I'll make a few random comments... (not just for you of course, but also to lurkers) Each of the two times I went, there were about a dozen or more people, flying anything from A to ermm.. K (or L?). Its in the middle of a canola field, so the flying season is depended on fire hazard and what the needs of the crop might be. One of the unfortunate side effects of this is that while the airspace is technically quite massive, and hardly any trees around, its not really easy to get from A to B to collect your rocket and get back to the pad again. I dont think I'm going to go too high in future. Either that or do more work on my radio controlled parachute steering thingy. On the plus side, no hard landings in the crop. The TRA website was updated only a few weeks ago so it looks like the June 11 weekend date is real. As far as motors and igniters, you do need all sorts of licences to import, hold, sell, and store. David has those, and judging by the bins he was sorting through, has a bit of stock on hand he could sell to you on site. Of course, best to give him a call beforehand if you're coming from interstate. Both the times I was there, there were people from interstate. His phone number is at the bottom of the web page, but yes, he does seem to be the busy type that never gets around to answering his email. > I have thought about manufacturing my own private use motors over the > last 10+ yrs. I didnt use them myself (and they werent 100% reliable) but there do seem to be a few guys that are already doing that and launching at Serpentine. If you turn up, I'm sure they could offer advice. They seemed to be friendly. :) > As far as motors and igniters, you do need all sorts of licences to import, > hold, sell, and store. David has those, and judging by the bins he was > sorting through, has a bit of stock on hand he could sell to you on site. > Of course, best to give him a call beforehand if you're coming from > interstate. So are users precluded from removing HPR motors from this particular site from on-site sales? Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > > As far as motors and igniters, you do need all sorts of licences to import, > > hold, sell, and store. David has those, and judging by the bins he was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jerry Yes, and they can't ship them marked as "model airplane parts" either.. (:-) > they can't ship them marked as "model airplane parts" either.. Don't be so sure. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > > they can't ship them marked as "model airplane parts" either.. > > Don't be so sure. Go for it; "live the life stile"!! (;-) >>they can't ship them marked as "model airplane parts" either.. > > Don't be so sure. Stupid is, as stupid does. Jerry you know you cant. Shipment or submission for shipment of ANY hazardous goods by the postal service is an offence in Australia. Just as you cant ship to anyone who does not hold a valid import permit "prior" to arrival of the propellant. Oh, and you need to have the propellant approved by the local authorities. >Jerry you know you cant. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Oh, and you need to have the propellant approved by the local >authorities. Poor Jerry. Almost the whole world is against him. Jerry maybeyou could Africa or Antartica. Jerry still believes all class 1 hazmat can be shipped as "model airplane parts". Ask him, he will confirm it and; as demonstrated on many occasions and regardless of the consequences, "Jerry lives the life stile". (:-) > Jerry you know you cant. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Oh, and you need to have the propellant approved by the local > authorities. >Jerry still believes all class 1 hazmat can be shipped as "model >airplane parts". Ask him, he will confirm it and; as demonstrated on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> Oh, and you need to have the propellant approved by the local >> authorities. I wonder how BIG the FINES are down under........... > I wonder how BIG the FINES are down under........... 40,000 US Dollar = 52,438.40 Australian Dollar SignatureMike KD7PVT NAR #70953 - Sr/HPR Level-1 ~ BEMRC - NAR Section #627 NO Junk Email, please! Real email to: amphoto [at] blarg [dot] net. <WANTED: Experienced Kamikaze Pilot> "Mike Pearson " wrote: > > I wonder how BIG the FINES are down under........... > > 40,000 US Dollar = 52,438.40 Australian Dollar As Homer Simpson would say, "Daooooooo." > Jerry you know you cant. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Oh, and you need to have the propellant approved by the local > authorities. Facts of law just confuse Jerry. It's much more convenient for him to blame everything on his favorite whipping boy, TRA. >> Jerry you know you cant. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Facts of law just confuse Jerry. It's much more convenient for him to >blame everything on his favorite whipping boy, TRA. With all due respect, why dont you guys start a new thread? The word V Jerry. This doesn't have much to do with rocketry in Australia.... Just a sugestion... Cheers Paul. Ha Ha Ha.........how long have you been watching? :-) Jerry works his way into most posts and has his admirers. Don't worry. Provides entertainment for some, nightmares for others. This happens all the time and if you can hack it, does provide somewhat un-helpful humour. :-) Clint > With all due respect, why dont you guys start a new thread? The word V > Jerry. This doesn't have much to do with rocketry in Australia.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Paul. > >> Jerry you know you cant. > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > With all due respect, why dont you guys start a new thread? The word V > Jerry. This doesn't have much to do with rocketry in Australia.... You are going to make yourself a target of Ray, Phil, Fred and "Dave" by posting such herecy. Jerry > Just a sugestion... > > Cheers > > Paul. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > > >> Jerry you know you cant. > > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You are going to make yourself a target of Ray, Phil, Fred and "Dave" by > posting such herecy. No that target is all yours. No one "lives the life", like Jerry... Huff on big guy(:-) >>>>Jerry you know you cant. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You are going to make yourself a target of Ray, Phil, Fred and "Dave" by > posting such herecy. jerry, you're the hate monger around here. Why are you harassing Impakt? > Jerry > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>Paul. >>> Jerry you know you cant. >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Paul. That's 'Just (pollute the thread) Jerry' He always does it. Yes under the approvals I have with the local authorities removal from site is not permitted. > So are users precluded from removing HPR motors from this particular > site from on-site sales? > > Jerry Thanks GD. That's some helpful info and appreciated! Sounds like you have some interesting projects... The Chute Mech.... So where are you at? Or is that 'Classified' :-) Cheers, Clint >> An enquiry to TRA's David Wilkins - >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > If you turn up, I'm sure they could offer advice. They seemed to be > friendly. :) > Thanks GD. > That's some helpful info and appreciated! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So where are you at? > Or is that 'Classified' :-) Not really. I think I might have even mentioned it here before. The half built plan is to separate the nose cone and body at ejection (no shock cord) and each half comes down under its own parachute. Each is radio controlled, and the two folks on the ground have a little competition as to who can steer their piece back most accuractely. At this stage, body and nose cone is built. I have one 'nasa parawing' parachute but need to sew together another one. The radio control mechanism in the nose is installed. Just need to fit the RC mechanism in the body and make the motor mount, and model it all in rocksim. >Each of the two times I went, there were about a dozen or more people, >flying anything from A to ermm.. K (or L?). Its in the middle of a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >His phone number is at the bottom of the web page, but yes, he does seem >to be the busy type that never gets around to answering his email. Now if the TRA site would have some useful info like this on it, people wouln't be walking around aimlessly trying to figure out how to step up from black powder, to mid power to high power. And they are not a very visible club to start with. >These are some brief details of some enquiries I've made - A good post Clint. >have been going to Vic. There may be a branch forming in NSW (PRETTY >PLEASE) but have probs with political crap. Yay Oz Gov. >He offered to be one of my TAP members when I go L3....(Thanks David) and >gave a few more details >about the Serpentine site. 25000ft + ceiling etc...etc... All this should be on-line and easily accessable. >Haven't received a response in regard to my questions about getting H-M >motors and igniters etc.... Surprise surprise. >That's currently my biggest prob.....It's hard to find out about this stuff >here? You need to check your state laws. That's it. If they are like WA, you need to be a member of an approved club and have your membership endorsed for H+ motors (depending on what your state will allow). Then it is simply (cough) a matter of wheeling in your two cabinets full of paper work into the hobby shop and placing an order for H+ motors. You will need to buy your RMS over the net (what's new). High thrust I motors don't usually come with an ejection charge so you will need to find a way of deploying the chute - either join a gun club and get a reloaders lic. or think of another way (maybe use a 13mm motor as an ejection charge???). >I have thought about manufacturing my own private use motors over the last >10+ yrs. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I think all the regs. pretty much count out everything but hybrids..... >Paperwork sucks! You can make your own hybrids no worries - but they can't exceed the max total impulse as specified by your state laws. In WA I could make a hybrid up to 320Nsec (if my club membership endorsed me for H+ impulse). >I think on the TRA Aust web site I read somewhere that they have a motor >vendor on site? >I doubt they'd carry around any of the bigger motors? I don't know? Special >order? What's that? No clear info on the TRA web site? Fancy that. At least I'm not the only one pulling out my hair. Maybe we could pull each others hair out. >There's only 3 or 4 hobby shops around here. All but 1 has ESTES / QUEST >gear. >And they only have Aerotech supplies most prob from DAWN and "SFA" of >them!!! Frustrating isn't it. >all the parts and won't be finished.......I buy thru the net aswell. I dont have a problem with that for the most part...it's just the motors. I don't like my hobby hanging from a thread that could be cut at the whim of one person. That's what it boils down to. Maybe they are called Dawn Trading because they are half asleep all the time. >8 members & you're 500km away.........heh heh heh... :-) Yeah...it makes life 'interesting'. Try looking after a web site from that distance. Not even coupling my camera to my telescope can take a photo of launches from that distance. >I'm lucky enough to own a small 32 acre property whilst still being only 1hr >at the most from Syd. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >that goes higher than 1000ft has a 99% chance of being lost. >There's a few nasty trees around. :-) I live on 42 acres of mostly pasture with one or two (make that 3) water hazards and trees around the perimeter. It's not a bad place to fly, but the place turns into a swamp after it rains and we get a lot of wind down here. I have approval to fly to 3500ft but dont often go over 2000ft. We have 5 horses and they don't like the rockets so I try not to fly too many in one day. (I've found dogs love rockets, cows find them interesting and sheep dont care one way or another) >Oh...and I see that you want a PML Ultimate Endeavour? where did you see that? My personal page? I didn't think anyone ever went there. I have the small endeavour and it's a nice rocket - looks great I think. The Ultimate Endeavour - well...it's the ultimate! If I could have any rocket I want (and be able to fly it) I'd get a polecat 'Thumper'. >Nice hey.......looking at one right now! :-) Gotta have!!! Even if I never fly it - It would look great hanging off my study roof. >Poor thing.....it's out under the carport with no motors to put in it >and no where to fly it! If I had to launch it on a jelly rubber sling shot, it would fly one day, somehow. You can fly it amost anywhere to 2000ft on a single 54mm. (avoid clusters - you will be poor for the rest of your life). > .people make web sites > without understanding what people are looking for. point SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 snip It's good to hear rocketry is picking up again in Australia. Randy http://vernarockets.com/ > snip > > It's good to hear rocketry is picking up again in Australia. > > Randy > http://vernarockets.com/ That's not the message I got from the last couple posts. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >> snip >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >That's not the message I got from the last couple posts. Thats true Jerry. I fear the hobby is in trouble over here. Our importer is reluctant to order more motors from aerotech and we have to buy all our kits and eveything else over the net (not a bad thing, but poeple dont see mid/hp rockets in the hobby stores - they think rocketry is just estes stuff.) I would love to see rocketry grow over here. It would be great to go to a launch where there are 20+ people. Maybe I'm asking for too much? Paul. Well, what I got was someone's about to try and bring it back. That's a good thing, right? (half full) ; ) Most clubs start with 3-4, they have 8? It's a start. It takes some work and persistence. It sounds like Impakt can be the core of revival. Good luck to his group. Impakt, if you think of a way we can help, let us know. Randy http://vernarockets.com/ >Well, what I got was someone's about to try and bring it back. That's a good >thing, right? (half full) ; ) I'm doing my best, but I'm one person. I need other Aussies to get off their backsides and be proactive in promoting the hobby. >Most clubs start with 3-4, they have 8? It's a start. It takes some work and >persistence. It sounds like Impakt can be the core of revival. Good luck to >his group. >Impakt, if you think of a way we can help, let us know. Thanks, but unless you can do something about the strangle hold our hobby wholsaler has on us, I'm afraid the future looks grim. The best motors I could get this season were a couple of F40 Ecconojets. No 29mm RMS at all, and not much in the way of 24mm RMS either - mostly just D15's. I requested an entire list of AT motors that my local has available. (Hobby Shop....Not the Pub) Most would prob. tell me go jump but I do spend many thousands $ there. I hope I'm a valued customer..... :-) They have the following left - AET-40904 1 - D9-4x3pac AET-41304 1 - D13-4x3pac AET-41307 2 - D13-7x3pac AET-41310 1 - D13-10x3pac AET42407 2 - D24-7x3pac AET-74004 2 - G40-7 AET-62004 5 - F20-4 AET-62007 2 - F20-7 AET-51504 3 - E15-4 AET-53004 1 - E30-4 AET-42104 4 - D21-4 AET-78004 3 - G80-4 AET-78007 3 - G80-7 AET-73507 1 - G35-7x2pac Time to spend some more Dosh!!! >>Well, what I got was someone's about to try and bring it back. That's a >>good [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 29mm RMS at all, and not much in the way of 24mm RMS either - mostly > just D15's. >I requested an entire list of AT motors that my local has available. >(Hobby Shop....Not the Pub) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >AET-78007 3 - G80-7 >AET-73507 1 - G35-7x2pac Well thats a damn site more then what's left in WA. What shop? *hopes it's in Melbourne* > I requested an entire list of AT motors that my local has available. > (Hobby Shop....Not the Pub) [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > 29mm RMS at all, and not much in the way of 24mm RMS either - mostly > > just D15's. Nope its not in Melbourne, Its Bergs Hobbis in Paramatta (a suburb of Sydney) Peter is a very nice guy and a real supporter of Rocketry in AU. Regards David Wilkins > >> snip > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Thats true Jerry. I fear the hobby is in trouble over here. I made a fairly large effort to fix that. David Wilkins and certain Tripoli USA folks over here felt it was the right thing to do to try to frustrate my efforts. It worked. Destruction is so much easier than building. You never know, I may regain interest in Australia. I like the place and I feel rockets belong everywhere. But at this point for obvious reasons the only truly successful effort will NOT involve Tripoli at any level. In the mean time you do have Dawn Trading. High prices, high minimums and long lead times. But it is your only real option today. > Our > importer is reluctant to order more motors from aerotech That is a common comment. Have them contact me. You never know. Near as I can tell you have no better options. Jerry > and we have > to buy all our kits and eveything else over the net (not a bad thing, > but poeple dont see mid/hp rockets in the hobby stores - they think > rocketry is just estes stuff.) I would love to see rocketry grow over > here. Have them contact me. > It would be great to go to a launch where there are 20+ people. > Maybe I'm asking for too much? I can help. MUST be TRA-free zone however. > Paul. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >> >> snip >> >> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >> Paul. Hey Jerry - where are you storing those motors? In a magazine? Are you living the lifestyle? > >> >> snip > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Hey Jerry - where are you storing those motors? In a magazine? Are > you living the lifestyle? In Australia? SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > I made a fairly large effort to fix that. David Wilkins and certain > Tripoli USA folks over here felt it was the right thing to do to try to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You never know, I may regain interest in Australia. I like the place and > I feel rockets belong everywhere. Please do so. > But at this point for obvious reasons the only truly successful effort > will NOT involve Tripoli at any level. Come on Jerry! Be nice. > In the mean time you do have Dawn Trading. High prices, high minimums > and long lead times. But it is your only real option today. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Near as I can tell you have no better options. Blackmail? :-) Jerry, I'd buy your entire line and "Live The Lifestyle" but I'd only sell what......2 motors? 3 small kits? every 2yrs.... > Jerry > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > MUST be TRA-free zone however. The trouble down here is there just isn't the numbers of people wanting or even knowing about rocketry. As Paul said, most just think of Estes if that! In my opinion this stems from Aust. having virtually no space launch industry and the kids at school just don't learn about it as much as you guys in the States.. Stay cool Jerry :-) >> Paul. > The trouble down here is there just isn't the numbers of people wanting or > even knowing > about rocketry. That's funny. That was the condition in HPR before I spread it nationwide in the USA in 1978-84 and started hosting regular HPR launches in about 1986-92, resulting in vast club growth. Perhaps you simply need a commercially viable product with a proven marketing plan. And deep availability. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >> The trouble down here is there just isn't the numbers of people wanting or >> even knowing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Jerry Why don't you load up a container with kits & motors and send it down there? >>Perhaps you simply need a commercially viable product with a proven >>marketing plan. And deep availability. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Why don't you load up a container with kits & motors and send it down >there? not a bad idea. We need motors - 29mm stuff and large 24mm stuff. And I just wrote off my estes executioner, so I am in the market for a 24mm rocket to replace it. At least I will be when I have the funds... > >>Perhaps you simply need a commercially viable product with a proven > >>marketing plan. And deep availability. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I just wrote off my estes executioner, so I am in the market for a > 24mm rocket to replace it. At least I will be when I have the funds... A sea container is about $250,000 wholesale of goods. Mail me a deposit :) Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >> >>Perhaps you simply need a commercially viable product with a proven >> >>marketing plan. And deep availability. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Jerry What happened to bill on delivery - come on - walk the walk > What happened to bill on delivery - come on - walk the walk You are VERY long on talk and VERY short on walk. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >> What happened to bill on delivery - come on - walk the walk > >You are VERY long on talk and VERY short on walk. You would be entitled to say that IF I was the one always asking if I may send some stuff and bill you on delivery or IF I were the one talking about living the life style. >> The trouble down here is there just isn't the numbers of people wanting or >> even knowing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Perhaps you simply need a commercially viable product with a proven >marketing plan. And deep availability. I blame it all on Dawn Trading, the hobby shops and the draconian laws that govern the hobby. This year I had to get police clearance to be able to apply for my permit to purchase composite motors which requires photo ID and proof of membership in a rocket club. Next year they will want a DNA sample - I'm sure of it. > Perhaps you simply need a commercially viable product with a proven > marketing plan. And deep availability. LOL! Look who's talking! >The trouble down here is there just isn't the numbers of people wanting or >even knowing >about rocketry. As Paul said, most just think of Estes if that! >In my opinion this stems from Aust. having virtually no space launch >industry and the kids at school >just don't learn about it as much as you guys in the States.. When was the last time you saw a mid power kit in a hobby store? That's how I found out about mid/high power rocketry - from seeing aerotech kits in the shop - so I bought two of em in 2002 and the shop hasnt replaced the ones I bought yet. I bought the old NCR launchpad & firecontrol kit they had and thats all the mid power launch stuff they had - if shops carried the stuff, people buying their estes toys might see a real rocket and say 'wow! gotta have one of thoes!' just like I did. >> Thats true Jerry. I fear the hobby is in trouble over here. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Destruction is so much easier than building. Destruction? The Triploi folks over here are just stagnant. David Boyd told me that most of the members keep in touch via email - that almost makes TRA a closed club - the last time I visited the web site, it was two years out of date and with very little, almost 0 info. It doesnt show up in the search engines when you search for rocket clubs in australia. >You never know, I may regain interest in Australia. I like the place and >I feel rockets belong everywhere. >But at this point for obvious reasons the only truly successful effort >will NOT involve Tripoli at any level. I don't know what your gripe with Tripoli is and I've never had any dealings with them myself, but PARC is a free spirit and is not tied in with any other org. >In the mean time you do have Dawn Trading. High prices, high minimums >and long lead times. But it is your only real option today. Don't I know it....it's Dawn Trading that has me most worried. They can pull the pin on the hobby for evryone at the drop of a hat. >That is a common comment. >Have them contact me. Have who contact you? Dawn trading? They wont talk to me. Period. Because I'm not a hobby shop, I don't exist. >Near as I can tell you have no better options. That's correct. If I had the means, I would start a business that imports rocketry stuff and I would get mid power kits and ground support into every hobby store in the country. I wouldnt care how long it takes to recoup my costs...just so long as I can say 'yep - heres a G64 to pop in my amraam' or 'BT to fix the lawn dart Strong ARM? No probs'. >> to buy all our kits and eveything else over the net (not a bad thing, >> but poeple dont see mid/hp rockets in the hobby stores - they think >> rocketry is just estes stuff.) I would love to see rocketry grow over >> here. > >Have them contact me. Who? The hobby stores? Most of them don't even know what a rocket is. This country is so backwards in so many ways. >> It would be great to go to a launch where there are 20+ people. >> Maybe I'm asking for too much? > >I can help. > >MUST be TRA-free zone however. How? You found a way to clone rocketeers? Is that legal??? :-) Impact, Not stagnant, but using your view then Parc is also in a difficult state. The incident in NSW with the fool and an ANFO bomb destroyed a good field and put rocketry onhold for sometime, I know folks are working very very hard with our support to re-open the Doonside site and I will do whatever I can to help even if thats being positive in supporting their efforts. Rocketry is not a big thing here period and given the regulatory limitations most just avoid getting involved beyond the A-E range. The you add the issue of 6 different bodies controlling explosives (and yes rocket motors are considered as such, either by hazard class or by explicit classification) then it just makes is very hard. Now as far as the website, yeap it has been updated, and was so for the launches last year, why have we been quiet, well our flying season is in our winter due to fire concerns. Its late this year as most locals will know we have had abnormally dry weather and the fire risk was simply to great. We work with our landholders and will never create a situation that we could loose our site because we go "GO" fever. I have stepped down as Prefect/President of Tripoli Australia as those of you will know I was out on the range last September and October what I didn't know is I had a bad case of Pneumonia and pleurisy, which I am still battling through (its even limiting my ability to fly currently.) It was time to pass the baton and allow me to continue to focus on my own projects, one of which is the re-supply of my propellant stocks. Right now we have scheduled 4 launches for the remainder of 2005, the first will be this coming Queens Birthday weekend, in fact I am going up to the range to do the annual equipment checkout ahead of the event. Now if I don't get to reply to emails, I apologize in advance but no sooner do I pop into RMR as magically my accounts get spammed to death.. so if your message gets missed I am sorry re-send it and I will try and catch it and I am always happy to take calls. At our recent members meeting (and yes we do meet) I was pleased to see even interstate members dialing into the meeting. Yes we have challenges, but they will be resolved by positive attitudes and not sledging.. Best Regards David Wilkins Past-Prefect/President Tripoli Australia TRA #6593 L3 TAP/TRA IT Chair >Impact, > >Not stagnant, but using your view then Parc is also in a difficult >state. Maybe your group is going ok, but the rest of the country is not. Take a look around...almost all the clubs have died for one reason or another. I keep getting email from people asking me if there is a club in their state and I am always being asked about the status of NSWRA or the SA Hiflyte club (because the web masters of thoes clubs are too lazy to post a quarterly update). Not one single club other than TRA has responded to any of my emails asking about their status. I am still waiting for info from your very own WA prefect...What are people supposed to think? Anyone trying to get into mid power rocketry might as well not bother...no active clubs, no rockets, ground support or motors in the hobby shops...only 2 or 3 shops in the country that can even sell AP motors...yes, stagnant. >The incident in NSW with the fool and an ANFO bomb destroyed a good >field and put rocketry onhold for sometime, I know folks are working >very very hard with our support to re-open the Doonside site and I will >do whatever I can to help even if thats being positive in supporting >their efforts. Well thats great news! Why don't they tell people what's going on? Maybe other will chip in and see if they can help? If you are sugesting I am not being -positive- then you are missing the point. I am -trying- to get people together, get people talking and provide the means for the aussie rocketry community to communicate. Like it or not, Tripoli Aust isn't doing that. No one is. >Rocketry is not a big thing here period and given the regulatory >limitations most just avoid getting involved beyond the A-E range. The >you add the issue of 6 different bodies controlling explosives (and yes >rocket motors are considered as such, either by hazard class or by >explicit classification) then it just makes is very hard. Yes, that puts people off....but when I think about it, I dont think it's all that hard at all - ok, it's not very convienient, but the paperwork is easy, the fees are reasonable - it's just a matter of doing it. State laws confuse things though. And HPR? Well, I don't think I'll even bother. >Now as far as the website, yeap it has been updated, and was so for the >launches last year, Now go and have a look at your web site...1 single page with ZERO useful info. Some launch dates and a link to the Triploi site. Next to usless. Thats not just my opinion either - I've had to listen to a few people complain to me about it (like I can do anything about it). That is why the PARC site is nothing like any other rocket site in Aust. I built it based on the info that -I- was looking for as a newbie. Stuff people want to know. People have given me feedback and the site has been improved by that feedback. I'm not big noting the PARC site, I am trying to make the point that your web site does not meet the requirements of aussie rocketeers and that comes directly from people who have been there and been in contact with me. For experts flying HPR, it's all basic old stuff but newbies need info and they want you to provide it. They want to ask an aussie questions. How do I get to fly G - I motors? Where can I get this? How do you do that? etc. >why have we been quiet, well our flying season is >in our winter due to fire concerns. Its late this year as most locals >will know we have had abnormally dry weather and the fire risk was >simply to great. We work with our landholders and will never create a >situation that we could loose our site because we go "GO" fever. Thats the same for everyone. I know that. You know that. But TRA just make the assumption that newbies know that. Put that info on your web site. Newbies = new members = growth. >I didn't know is I had a bad case of Pneumonia and pleurisy, which I am >still battling through (its even limiting my ability to fly currently.) > It was time to pass the baton and allow me to continue to focus on my >own projects, one of which is the re-supply of my propellant stocks. Speedy recovery David. You use aerotech propellant? Is there still a supply problem from the Sates? Or is it just Dawn Trading causing the problems? >Right now we have scheduled 4 launches for the remainder of 2005, the >first will be this coming Queens Birthday weekend, in fact I am going >up to the range to do the annual equipment checkout ahead of the event. I have 14 dates - mostly because I am playing roulette with the weather. I have a launch this sunday (which is the only day for the next 10 days that they forcast bad weather). >Now if I don't get to reply to emails, I apologize in adva |
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