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Model Forum / General / Rockets / June 2005[OT?] SD to CF adapter???
Lst night I stumbled into a local electronics stores going out of business sale and picked up a bargain, a Canon S1 IS for $128! OK, it's their display model, no box, manual, 8MB card that only holds a couple pictures, or "stuff" and it's been pawed for a while. But it still has the full warranty. At any rate, I've already got half a dozen electronics gadgets that use SD cards, and a number of assorted SD cards. But this camera needs CF. I hate to invest in another technology. Have you ever seen or heard of an adapter that lets you use the smaller SD cards in CF devices? If so, who makes them, and where can I find them? Second, any one got experience with this camera? Particularly for rocket photography? It's certainly not the SLR I really wanted, but it was #2 on my non-SLR list behind the Panasonic Lumix cameras, and the deal was too good to pass up. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to Babel," stardate 3842.3 Bob, this might be what you need... http://www.flash-memory-store.com/cf4in1.html paul. > Lst night I stumbled into a local electronics stores going out of business > sale and picked up a bargain, a Canon S1 IS for $128! OK, it's their [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to > Babel," stardate 3842.3 > Bob, > this might be what you need... > http://www.flash-memory-store.com/cf4in1.html > > paul. Interesting. It would most likely work as long as it would physically fit in the camera. (suggested use is PDAs) > Bob, > this might be what you need... > http://www.flash-memory-store.com/cf4in1.html Looks like that sticks out, like the USB thingies that let you read multiple format cards. But I did find a couple that are totally enclosed in the CF slot that looks like it will work. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to Babel," stardate 3842.3 > Lst night I stumbled into a local electronics stores going out of business > sale and picked up a bargain, a Canon S1 IS for $128! OK, it's their display [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to > Babel," stardate 3842.3 There's no adapter I know of, to allow such a thing, but cf is the most economical of the memory cards. You can get a 1 gb card for like $50 if you shop around. 8 in one usb memory card readers can be had for as little as $10 I don't know about the other formats, but I've seen cf cards as large as 4 gb! Also there are cf micro drives. > There's no adapter I know of, to allow such a thing, but cf is the most > economical of the memory cards. You can get a 1 gb card for like $50 if I've already got a bunch of SD cards that I'd like to be able to use. > you shop around. 8 in one usb memory card readers can be had for as > little as $10 That doesn't do thje camera any good. It does let me read my CF and SD cards via a USB post. I just picked one of these up with the camera $25 - 70%, and my wife's new computer has one built in to the front panel. > I don't know about the other formats, but I've seen cf cards as large as > 4 gb! Also there are cf micro drives. I've seen them/ Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to Babel," stardate 3842.3 >Lst night I stumbled into a local electronics stores going out of business >sale and picked up a bargain, a Canon S1 IS for $128! OK, it's their display [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to >Babel," stardate 3842.3 Don't bother with all that crap. You can get a good sized card ot the right type for $50 or less. You won't have an adaptor sticking out of the camera that is going to break. > Don't bother with all that crap. You can get a good sized card ot the > right type for $50 or less. You won't have an adaptor sticking out of > the camera that is going to break. As I said, I've got several "good sized" SD cards already. And if I stick with SD, then I can share them with my other gizmos, and even put the SD card into my PDA to view the pictures I've just shot. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to Babel," stardate 3842.3 > Don't bother with all that crap. You can get a good sized card ot the > right type for $50 or less. You won't have an adaptor sticking out of > the camera that is going to break. Yes, you can get a "good sized card" for $50 or less, but to feed a $50 1GB card to my camera would make the camera pointless -- slow memory drops mine from 5fps to 3pfs, once the buffer fills. It also makes a tremendous difference when pulling images off of the card or reviewing them on the camera. There's a reason some cards cost more than others.... -Kevin >> Don't bother with all that crap. You can get a good sized card ot the >> right type for $50 or less. You won't have an adaptor sticking out of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >-Kevin I doubt that it matters in Bob's $110 camera. What kind of digital camera do you have that can do 3-5fps? I have a motor driven Canon AE-1 that does it. It has allowed me to get some really great shots. > I doubt that it matters in Bob's $110 camera. > > What kind of digital camera do you have that can do 3-5fps? I have a > motor driven Canon AE-1 that does it. It has allowed me to get some > really great shots. Canon EOS 20D. It costs a little more than $110... Even the Digital Rebel XT will do 3ps. The 20D does 5fps until the buffer fills; with a fast CF card, I can get 32 frames before it slows down. -Kevin >> I doubt that it matters in Bob's $110 camera. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >-Kevin Thanks. I'll check that out next time I'm looking for a camera. > Even the Digital Rebel XT will do 3ps. The 20D does 5fps until the > buffer fills; with a fast CF card, I can get 32 frames before it slows down. Interesting. My new Canon S1 has reference to similar. But it's maximum frame rate is not quite 2fps. Do digital cameras document the buffer size? Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org This is a country which stands tallest in troubled times, a country that clings to fundamental principles, cherishes its constitutional heritage, and rejects simple solutions that compromise the values that lie at the roots of our democratic system. -- Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, 1972 >>Even the Digital Rebel XT will do 3ps. The 20D does 5fps until the >>buffer fills; with a fast CF card, I can get 32 frames before it slows down. > > Interesting. My new Canon S1 has reference to similar. But it's maximum > frame rate is not quite 2fps. Do digital cameras document the buffer size? I'm guessing the numbers Kevin is quoting, are right out of the manual. I don't recall the exact numbers, but My fujipix has similar frame rates as I recall. Also, different resolutions and compression settings can affect the fps. >> Even the Digital Rebel XT will do 3ps. The 20D does 5fps until the >> buffer fills; with a fast CF card, I can get 32 frames before it slows down. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" One thing I observeed about most digital cameras if that they suck in the fps area. On the $110 vs $130 number -what's $20 between friends. 8-) > On the $110 vs $130 number -what's $20 between friends. 8-) The point was it's not a cheapo Digicam, it's a pretty high end non-SLR camera marked down from $600 to $130. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century > The point was it's not a cheapo Digicam, it's a pretty high end non-SLR > camera marked down from $600 to $130. Canon lists the S1 IS on their website; is that what you purchased? If so, the main reason it's expensive is that it has image stabilization, which is a pretty slick technology that adds $300 - $500 to the cost of anything that contains it. Otherwise, it's just a nice 3.2mp camera. Canon makes some darned nice optics. -Kevin >> The point was it's not a cheapo Digicam, it's a pretty high end non-SLR >> camera marked down from $600 to $130. > > Canon lists the S1 IS on their website; is that what you purchased? That's the one! > If so, the main reason it's expensive is that it has image > stabilization, which is a pretty slick technology that adds $300 - $500 > to the cost of anything that contains it. Otherwise, it's just a nice > 3.2mp camera. That's the reason it was #2 on my list. #1 was the Panasonic Lumix series, also with the OPTICAL Image Stabilization (MUCH superior to digitil I S, which loses much resolution to do the stabilization). I took the camera out for a non-rocket spin yesterday. The IS is what makes it worthwhile. With a 10X zoom (.76x wide to 7.6x tele) you really need the IS at the telephoto end. It means you can shoot a rocket on a far away pad without needing to put the camera on a tripod. I'm waiting for a chance to use it at a launch. And back to the original topic, Chris Taylor emailed me that these adapters do exist, and he has and uses one. I've been to a bunch of local stores. No one ever heard of the thing until the one I stopped at on the way home from yestardays avtivity. They thought they had them but culdn't find any. Since it's just a couple miles from my office, I'll check back with them next week. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759 > That's the reason it was #2 on my list. #1 was the Panasonic Lumix series, > also with the OPTICAL Image Stabilization (MUCH superior to digitil I S, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > end. It means you can shoot a rocket on a far away pad without needing to > put the camera on a tripod. Canon's IS works like a charm -- I've used an EOS 10D with the 70-200 f2.8 IS and it's just incredible. One downside to it is that it consumes batteries faster. The next lense I want is the 300mm f4 IS (well, okay, I really want the 300mm f2.8, but let's just stay in reality as to what I can afford in this lifetime). > And back to the original topic, Chris Taylor emailed me that these adapters > do exist, and he has and uses one. I've been to a bunch of local stores. No > one ever heard of the thing until the one I stopped at on the way home from > yestardays avtivity. They thought they had them but culdn't find any. Since > it's just a couple miles from my office, I'll check back with them next > week. What? No thread drift??? But nobody has blamed anything on TRA yet! 8-} I've seen the converters, as well. The challenge is finding someone who has them; I'm sure you could mail-order one, and from looking on Amazon, it appears that Office Depot sells them. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006OX9I/qid=1119785502/sr=8-11/ ref=pd_bbs_11/002-6581911-8993649?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846 http://tinyurl.com/d76bf In reading some of the info on Amazon, it appears that they don't all work with the larger cards, so that may be something to watch for. -Kevin > Canon's IS works like a charm -- I've used an EOS 10D with the 70-200 > f2.8 IS and it's just incredible. One downside to it is that it > consumes batteries faster. That's why you feed them high capacity NiMH... I'll have to do a comparison with the IS on and off and see what the fdifference in run time is. > http://tinyurl.com/d76bf That's an xD to CF adapter at Office Depot. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org People who exercise their embryonic freedom day after day, little by little, expand that freedom. People who do not will find that it withers until they are literally "being lived." They are acting out scripts written by parents, associates, and society. --Stephen R. Covey > That's why you feed them high capacity NiMH... > > I'll have to do a comparison with the IS on and off and see what the > fdifference in run time is. The EOS line use rechargable battery packs; for folks who need a lot of power, Canon offers a "battery grip" which attaches to the bottom of the camera and holds two batteries. Or, if you're a glutton for subsidizing Eveready, the battery grip will allow you to use AA batteries on the 20D, but they don't last long! -Kevin >> On the $110 vs $130 number -what's $20 between friends. 8-) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century I knew it wasn't an el cheapo but until now, you didn't do to great a job making that point. Let me know when you give up and buy a new card for it. 8-) > Let me know when you give up and buy a new card for it. 8-) Well, I haven't given up, but I did buy a CF card Friday. Office Max had them on sale, with an instant erbate and a mail in rebate. Plus my company discount at OM, after rebate a 256MB card will cost me $9. I'm still looking for the adapter, so I can use all my old cards, and only buy new cards that I can use everywhere. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759 > Interesting. My new Canon S1 has reference to similar. But it's maximum > frame rate is not quite 2fps. Do digital cameras document the buffer size? Canon doesn't give the buffer size in terms of bytes, kilobytes, etc, but rather in terms of images. They specify how many frames at JPG max resolution (23), how many at medium resolution, at max res RAW, etc. To give you an idea as to the difference, at 5fps, the camera will fill the buffer in 23 frames. With a fast card (one of the fastest as tested in that camera), it takes 32 frames before it slows down. A slower card will drop it down sooner. The EOS 10D writes to the CF much more slowly, so fast memory doesn't make a difference with the camera itself, but does make a difference when downloading to your PC. -Kevin > I doubt that it matters in Bob's $110 camera. Well, my $130 camera is actually a $600 camera that was being closed out by a store going out of business... Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org This is a country which stands tallest in troubled times, a country that clings to fundamental principles, cherishes its constitutional heritage, and rejects simple solutions that compromise the values that lie at the roots of our democratic system. -- Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, 1972 >> Don't bother with all that crap. You can get a good sized card ot the >> right type for $50 or less. You won't have an adaptor sticking out of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > There's a reason some cards cost more than others.... Does the TMT certification data list the card delays? :-) Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org This is a country which stands tallest in troubled times, a country that clings to fundamental principles, cherishes its constitutional heritage, and rejects simple solutions that compromise the values that lie at the roots of our democratic system. -- Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, 1972 >Does the TMT certification data list the card delays? If it made it onto the list, then obviously, it passed. 8-) |
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