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Model Forum / General / Rockets / July 2005Master Blasters
Sci Fi has the Master Blaster website up and running with some cool video clips! Erik Gates Sorry http://www.scifi.com/masterblasters/ Erik Gates > Sci Fi has the Master Blaster website up and running with some cool video > clips! > > Erik Gates I think I missed that. Has the first show been on already?  SignatureJoe Michel NAR 82797 L2 http://home.alltel.net/jm44316 > Sci Fi has the Master Blaster website up and running with some cool video > clips! > > Erik Gates Starts July 27th, 9PM. David Erbas-White >I think I missed that. Has the first show been on already? > > > Sci Fi has the Master Blaster website up and running with some cool video > clips! > > Erik Gates I'd like the gbrocketry "website up and running"! How 'bout it? A.S. *Sigh* Can;t they do ANYTHING without flash and popups? That was quite a show! I would have liked more discussion of the motors and electronics, but, hey, rockets in prime time is hard to beat. Paul Picton > Sci Fi has the Master Blaster website up and running with some cool video > clips! > > Erik Gates We used 4 AMW N4000, and Blacksky AltAcc's and Timers. All in all a fun time mixing it up with Terry, Dan and Pat! Erik Gates > That was quite a show! I would have liked more discussion of the motors > and electronics, but, hey, rockets in prime time is hard to beat. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Erik Gates Erik, What did you use for parachute deployment?? Timers? Robert > We used 4 AMW N4000, and Blacksky AltAcc's and Timers. All in all a fun > time mixing it up with Terry, Dan and Pat! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> > >> Erik Gates 12 minutes of compelling footage, jam-packed into an hour worth of TV! The only thing that I see 'good' about the show is that the producers blocked out the 'flyrockets.com' paint from the side of the doll house, so we could at least put a little distance between hobby rocketry and what is going to happen on this show.... Flying a house? Ok. Not all that crazy or bad. I've seen similar stuff at launches (Porta-potties, construction barrels, etc.) But next week..... Rocket lawn darts? WTF part of 'good' is that for rocketry? Wasn't are argument less than a year ago that rockets were horrible at hitting targets? I hope, at LEAST, that the cast failed in a real miserable way at hitting anything.... That might be potentially good. We shouldn't have to worry about another season of this, because it is just not that exciting, educational or fun..... They seem to have edited that stuff out ;) Just my opinion.... Todd Wasn't are argument <----- Wasn't our argument... Nasty error.. Sorry ;) > Wasn't are argument <----- Wasn't our argument... That's typing by ear...with a southern accent :) Doug >Wasn't are argument <----- Wasn't our argument... > >Nasty error.. Sorry ;) Duly noted -> in your permanent record! 8-) Wasn't are argument <---- Wasn't our argument... Sorry about that one....;) Don't forget the midget! ;) -Rich > 12 minutes of compelling footage, jam-packed into an hour worth of TV! > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Todd >Don't forget the midget! ;) > >-Rich They should have dressed him in the witches suit and launched him. 8-) When we meet him, I mentioned that I did not know we would have a live payload.... He did not think it was funny! Erik Gates >>Don't forget the midget! ;) >> >>-Rich > > They should have dressed him in the witches suit and launched him. 8-) As long as the show is projected and viewed as what it is, entertainment.... and not a how to become a hobby rocketeer, there is nothing wrong with professionals, stressing safety and using the disclaimer they had at the beginning, then I don't see any problem with the show and I don't think it will harm the hobby. It might be good to use the disclaimer more than once per program. Since they were using a lifting design similar to the escape tower of the Apollo, I figured theirs would go higher. I did not think BOTH would botch recovery. The show was entertaining. Randy http://vernarockets.com/ > 12 minutes of compelling footage, jam-packed into an hour worth of TV! > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > just not that exciting, educational or fun..... They seem to have > edited that stuff out ;) Amen, brother. My thoughts exactly. Gus > Rocket lawn darts? WTF part of 'good' is that for >rocketry? Maybe they did that because of how suckcessful they were with parachutes in the first episode. 8-) Wonder if the guy Erik ragged on about the welding, welded the 'chute in correctly. 8-) > That was quite a show! I would have liked more discussion of the motors and > electronics, but, hey, rockets in prime time is hard to beat. Yes... but I'm not sure I'm going to like the kind of exposure it gives the hobby. Seems like the theme will be more loony stunts than serious hobbycraft. (Of course, WE all know we love the loony stunts, but..) 1st the Discovery Channel series showing smokin's around rockets and things going boom in your face.. then we get the POPSCI article with more emphasis on explosions,booms and crashes.... and now this..... this show should be called Stupid Rocket Tricks with Stupid Rocket People).... HPR meets Jackass..... and next week we get lawndarts and target practice....boy you know the ATF and Charlie Shummer are salivating over this one.... why do I get the distinct feeling, this is another "TRA" production? I don't see how the " Large and Dangerous " crowd expects to present rocketry in a postive light , when they continually market the explosions and crashes as FUN....and COOL......or OOPs? hmmmm lets see.... we'll highlight all that is BAD and what can go wrong about HPR, that oughta attract some real quality people to the hobby..... folks HPR is doomed...... I made a post earlier about the NAR not being able to market itself effectively, well its become clear the TRA has no clue either and even worse, they advertise and market the BAD in the hobbysport..... Now that takes real smarts..... Keep up the good work, TRA, with advertsining and marketing genius like this, we won't need the BATFE to shutdown HPR, You will do it all on your own..... we have met the enemy and they are us! yikes.! and did anybody miss Pat Gordzelik faux pas comment about his female team member? "I thought at first she was a piece of FLUFF, but I soon discovered she can do CNC milling and even knows tools, so shes cool"..... what a backhanded sexist remark....I thought she was the best part of the show....can you say rocket babe? one final comment... here we have the self described "master blasters" and some big name challengers, and they both can't rig a parachute recovery harness correctly..... hilarious........ bring on the flames....... > 1st the Discovery Channel series showing smokin's around rockets and things > going boom in your face.. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > why do I get the distinct feeling, this is another "TRA" production? The ATF knows it failed and is a laughing stock on the ballistic tests. So they have simply quietly encouraged Tripoli members and media to do it for them. And TRA members are in a BIG hurry to get their 15 minutes of fame by doing it too. Jerry > I don't see how the " Large and Dangerous " crowd expects to present > rocketry in a postive light , when they continually market the explosions [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > either and even worse, they advertise and market the BAD in the > hobbysport..... Now that takes real smarts..... I told you so. > Keep up the good work, TRA, with advertsining and marketing genius like > this, we won't need the BATFE to shutdown HPR, You will do it all on your [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > bring on the flames....... SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > The ATF knows it failed and is a laughing stock on the ballistic tests. > So they have simply quietly encouraged Tripoli members and media to do > it for them. jerry, you Are an incredibly self deluded dip sh.t. > I told you so. Anyone got a link to download it from. Thanks > 1st the Discovery Channel series showing smokin's around rockets and > things going boom in your face.. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > bring on the flames....... >why do I get the distinct feeling, this is another "TRA" production? Cause your the friggin weenie king? Damn I was starting to think you're not so bad after all. Oh well - first impressions... phil: why is it that you can't respond to my posts without callin' names? Is it something genetic in your makeup? look, we can agree to disagree on a wide variety of topics, thats what makes us individuals. Your POV is just as valid as anybody else's POV is valid.... just as my POV is also valid.. look at the variety of responses in this thread: pro and con, for and against, only you go for the ad hominem attack..... consider advancing the argument/debate that my post puts forth, I don't mind you or anybody else disagreeing with what I have to say, afterall, this is still america I think....but you need to deal with callin people names.... shockie B) >>why do I get the distinct feeling, this is another "TRA" production? > > Cause your the friggin weenie king? Damn I was starting to think > you're not so bad after all. Oh well - first impressions... Not really my place to butt in here but... One item I have noticed, in particular the last 6+ months, that a lot of your posts have been, well almost seem like your trying stir something up. Not accusing you of trolling but I gotta tell ya it makes me wonder 'what the hell has happened to shockie?'. Just an observation on my part. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > phil: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> Cause your the friggin weenie king? Damn I was starting to think >> you're not so bad after all. Oh well - first impressions... >One item I have noticed, in particular the last 6+ months, that a lot of >your posts have been, well almost seem like your trying stir something >up. Not accusing you of trolling but I gotta tell ya it makes me wonder >'what the hell has happened to shockie?'. Just an observation on my part. Yep an I do believe I have the answer. He's gone over to the weenie side 8-). Shockie, I don't call you nameS. I only call you one thing that I think accurately descibes the tone and POV of your posts. It's ok for you to be a weenie. Just don't get bothered when someone calls you on it. Thanks for the rational post. Those are the ones that make me think that for a weenie, maybe you're not so bad. 8-) ted: I prefer to think of it as provoking thought,discussion, debate and dialogue... even if I am critical in my comments about any particular topic, I hope for rational discourse from others that may not see things as I do; in other words, help convince me that my POV is wrong or incorrect.... phil, will not even attempt to answer my ponts with counter-points; all he can do is call me a weenie.... this leads me to believe that hes a reactionary; he has no POV; he has no logical or cogent rebuttal, so he calls me names... what good does that do? and yes I will admit that I take potshots at the TRA.... but then I've thrown a few at the NAR too, over the past 3 years.... SO, I can't disagree with the way TRA thinks HPR should be marketed? SO since, I disagree with the party line, I am to be called names? If we can't all discuss,debate,yes, even argue points of view, what good is RMR? callin each other names? childish and immature behavior from grown men..... gotta go test launch some gliders now... shockie B) > Not really my place to butt in here but... > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>> Cause your the friggin weenie king? Damn I was starting to think >>> you're not so bad after all. Oh well - first impressions... > ted: > > I prefer to think of it as provoking thought,discussion, debate and > dialogue... On rmr?!?!?! Something to ponder shockie: since when has 'provoking thought, discussion, debate and dialogue' have not degenerated to chaos, mayhem and flames on rmr/usenet? Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > > ted: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > discussion, debate and dialogue' have not degenerated to chaos, mayhem > and flames on rmr/usenet? I prefer to skip number 1 and go straight to number 2. Saves typing. SignatureTweak > Not really my place to butt in here but... > > One item I have noticed, in particular the last 6+ months, that a lot of > your posts have been, well almost seem like your trying stir something > up. That is a bad thing?? And i ask, relative to what? SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >>Not really my place to butt in here but... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And i ask, relative to what? Well, that would be relative to you! Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > phil: > > why is it that you can't respond to my posts without callin' names? Because he is at his core a troll? > Is it > something genetic in your makeup? look, we can agree to disagree on a wide [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > consider advancing the argument/debate that my post puts forth, Impossible. > I don't mind you or anybody else disagreeing with what I have to say, > afterall, this is still america I think....but you need to deal with callin [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cause your the friggin weenie king? Damn I was starting to think > > you're not so bad after all. Oh well - first impressions... SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > >why do I get the distinct feeling, this is another "TRA" production? > > Cause your the friggin weenie king? Damn I was starting to think > you're not so bad after all. Oh well - first impressions... It was a factual statement (question) Phil. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 <edited for brevity, comments in-line> <snip> > this show should be called Stupid Rocket Tricks with Stupid Rocket > People).... HPR meets Jackass..... Two recovery failures, a deployment failure, and neither team met all the established goals. That should give the viewers a "warm fuzzy" about the competence of our "top" teams, let alone the average Joe rocketeers. The people watching that show are NOT us. They have NO IDEA of the perspective of rocketeers. What they see is it. What we present to them is exactly what we will get back. > and next week we get lawndarts and target practice....boy you know the > ATF and Charlie Shummer are salivating over this one.... Ballistic trajectories. Intentional lawndarts. Large rockets. Bullseye targets. I don't even know what to say. > why do I get the distinct feeling, this is another "TRA" production? > > I don't see how the " Large and Dangerous " crowd expects to present > rocketry in a postive light , when they continually market the > explosions and crashes as FUN....and COOL......or OOPs? In fairness, I don't recall TRA or a TRA affiliation being mentioned in the show. Did I miss it? At least they blocked most of what I believe was the URL to FlyRockets.com on the side of one of the houses. Thanks for that, at least. <snip> > we have met the enemy and they are us! yikes.! Its so sad. > and did anybody miss Pat Gordzelik faux pas comment about his female > team member? "I thought at first she was a piece of FLUFF, but I soon > discovered she can do CNC milling and even knows tools, so shes > cool"..... what a backhanded sexist remark....I thought she was the > best part of the show....can you say rocket babe? The women in my living room certainly did not miss it. > one final comment... here we have the self described "master blasters" > and some big name challengers, and they both can't rig a parachute > recovery harness correctly..... hilarious........ > > bring on the flames....... The helicopter in the background flying around with N-4000 motored experimental "rockets" taking their maiden flights. Its cheap, exploitive crap like this which makes it hard to promote the educational and scientific benefits of rocketry. Geez. They could have focused on the Aurora, or all the Gates Brothers really cool rockets. Yeah, I know its TV. And that's the problem. SignatureGary Bolles summum jus, summa injuria est To contact me; bollesg at comcast dot net http://home.comcast.net/~bollesg/rockets/rockets.html Help make r.m.r. a No Flame Zone > Two recovery failures, a deployment failure, and neither team met > all the established goals. That should give the viewers a "warm fuzzy" > about the competence of our "top" teams, let alone the average Joe > rocketeers. This should be in the FAQ. > Ballistic trajectories. Intentional lawndarts. Large rockets. > Bullseye targets. > > I don't even know what to say. The safety code is dead? > > why do I get the distinct feeling, this is another "TRA" production? > > we have met the enemy and they are us! yikes.! > > Its so sad. > Geez. They could have focused on the Aurora, or all the Gates > Brothers really cool rockets. Yeah, I know its TV. > > And that's the problem. Point. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 >>Two recovery failures, a deployment failure, and neither team met >>all the established goals. That should give the viewers a "warm fuzzy" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The safety code is dead? jerry, you're one to talk. Nothing has ever stopped you from violating the safety code. Check abmr, subject; O.T. Safety first. >>>why do I get the distinct feeling, this is another "TRA" production? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Point. This episode was the 3 episode filmed, and the network put what was referred by the rocket geeks as "fluff" on the show. Put out on casting call, hollywood actors and actresses to fill out teams. Some were pretty much just "Fluff" So in all fairness to Pat, all the non-rocketeer actors and actresses were called fluff by the rocketeers. Guys as well as girls... But as always... they can twist anything in post production! And if you were not there, it sounds unprofessional. Erik Gates > and did anybody miss Pat Gordzelik faux pas comment about his female > team member? "I thought at first she was a piece of FLUFF, but I soon > discovered she can do CNC milling and even knows tools, so shes cool"..... > what a backhanded sexist remark....I thought she was the best part of the > show....can you say rocket babe? The way I look at it, the show does not even begin to harm our hobby from the average joe point of veiw. And for those who think that the BATF or other goverment officails will see this and use it against us???? How??? For what reason??? The eyes upon us don't care if we can loft a playhouse 1000' in the air.... Ky's spaceshot raised many more eyes! He showed them that we can acheive high and long range goals! No one gives a crap about a playhouse, or a lawndart.. those are just toys! They annoy the rocketeer who is worried about losing his hobby,(And mostly NAR members) no one else but rocketeers found the show to be bad. (Maybe bad acting on my part!) Anybody want to get on the guys case that have, and are trying to send a rocket into space? That is one of my goals as! Congrats to the CXST team for a job well done! Erik Gates > 1st the Discovery Channel series showing smokin's around rockets and > things going boom in your face.. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > bring on the flames....... > The way I look at it, the show does not even begin to harm our hobby from > the average joe point of veiw. And for those who think that the BATF or > other goverment officails will see this and use it against us???? How??? For > what reason??? I seldom post here, mainly it's a waste of time, but this seems to be a subject that I feel a need to comment on... I only watched a small portion of the show last night as I found the editing and content less than stellar. To say that, after all the money, time and effort expended by this group to promote rocketry as a safe family hobby (which it most certainly is), and then have a small group of individuals become involved in a program that flys directly in the face of that perception seems VERY counterproductive. I work in the TV industry and see how the "15 minutes of fame" can make people get involved in things they do not think through. But to not be able to see how "Catos and Lawndart Competition" could negatively impact our chosen hobby is very myopic. Reminded me of a group of middle aged, pot bellied drunk rednecks headed out to "blow somethin up real good". Well my .000001 cents worth, now back into the shadows............ >> The way I look at it, the show does not even begin to harm our hobby from >> the average joe point of veiw. And for those who think that the BATF or [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Well my .000001 cents worth, now back into the shadows............ How do you see this as being different from the many highly sucessful hot rod & motor cycle shows current on tv? To me it seems like a variation of that theme. Anyone that bothers to look at what we do will see that it is not what is on that tv show. Because of that I don't think this is worth getting upset over. > How do you see this as being different from the many highly sucessful > hot rod & motor cycle shows current on tv? They "showcase" the "primary benefit of the product", not run the concept into the ground with a hurtful presentation. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > > The way I look at it, the show does not even begin to harm our hobby from > > the average joe point of veiw. And for those who think that the BATF or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > group of individuals become involved in a program that flys directly in > the face of that perception seems VERY counterproductive. I actually AGREE with that if you take out the VERY. > I work in the TV industry and see how the "15 minutes of fame" can > make people get involved in things they do not think through. But to > not be able to see how "Catos and Lawndart Competition" could > negatively impact our chosen hobby is very myopic. Point. > Reminded me of a group of middle aged, pot bellied drunk rednecks > headed out to "blow somethin up real good". Because it was? > Well my .000001 cents worth, now back into the shadows............ SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > No one gives a crap about a playhouse, or a lawndart.. those are just toys! Well, enough people did give a crap about toy lawn darts in the '80s to get them banned for sale in the US http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5053.html I don't think anyone - NAR member or not wants to link our hobby to a product already banned - even if 99% see it as a joke the 1% who don't could go after us! Dale Greene SPAAR 503 I would take your side if they put the two teams on opposite sides of the feild and launched the lawn darts at each other... Isn't that why lawn darts are banned for sale? But not illegal to own? And exactly what is that 1% going to do? Ban the sale of rocket Lawndarts? Oh, they are not for sale... So what are they going to do? Erik Gates >> No one gives a crap about a playhouse, or a lawndart.. those are just >> toys! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Dale Greene > SPAAR 503 > I would take your side if they put the two teams on opposite sides of the > feild and launched the lawn darts at each other... Isn't that why lawn [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Erik Gates It's just the typical, reactionary nonsense you get around here. Ignore it, Erik. That show is no more about "hobby rocketry" than it is about "hobby artillery", or "hobby explosives". It's a TV show involving the use of rocket propulsion to do, well, rather silly things. That's it. SignatureTweak >>I would take your side if they put the two teams on opposite sides of the >>feild and launched the lawn darts at each other... Isn't that why lawn [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > artillery", or "hobby explosives". It's a TV show involving the use of > rocket propulsion to do, well, rather silly things. That's it. Exactly! How people can get so pissy and bitchy over tv ENTERTAINMENT is beyond me. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > How people can get so pissy and bitchy over tv ENTERTAINMENT is beyond me. James Earl Jones: THIS is RMR! Randy http://vernarockets.com/ > It's a TV show involving the use of > rocket propulsion to do, well, rather silly things. That's it. Then just don't claim it "promotes HPR" then. That's it. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > The way I look at it, the show does not even begin to harm our hobby from > the average joe point of veiw. And for those who think that the BATF or [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Erik Gates I almost agree. It does bring mindshare to "HPR" in a way that is in actuality not HPR. Jerry Your rocket spun too much because the angles were too severe, and when you want to deploy something reliably, call me. Please? SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration. (too late) Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ebay. http://tinyurl.com/6wlp8 > and did anybody miss Pat Gordzelik faux pas comment about his female team > member? "I thought at first she was a piece of FLUFF, but I soon discovered > she can do CNC milling and even knows tools, so shes cool"..... Verna doesn't do any milling but she can do something that's even more impressive to me and that's work the equations for the math involved. She can draw up anything you can build and give you the exact formulas as to why it will work and probably as well as Von Braun did it. Of course, she does have the degree for it and Magna Cum Laude at that. >what a backhanded sexist remark.... Yeah, Verna noticed that one too but wasn't offended because she's around rocketeers constantly and it took it all in context. They weren't denigrating women. It's good to see they included women on both teams. >can you say rocket babe? Yep, I married one, even have her on the rocket of the same name. ; ) As a matter of fact, due to her love for that movie she's been developing a 2 stage model rocket that's a triple payloader she named Dorothy. Carrying the Scare Crow, Tin Man and Lion, it flew it's 3rd and final test flight last Saturday and successfully staged 3 C's to 3 B's on a beautiful flight. As model rockets go, it's pretty cool and even has Lee Brock, prefect of TRA 81, thinking of doing an upscale version. George Gassaway got some great shots of the flight and if anyone is interested, I'll have a couple of photos and a write up about the flight posted as part of the August Fire & Smoke by this Sunday evening. Hopefully to include a preview of the final print for the decal with Verna as Dorothy. Hey, we had the idea first! ; ) Randy http://vernarockets.com/ |
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