Recently I became a member of SORE(pronounced SOAR): Society for Old
RockEteers, by virtue of the fact that I:
1. started in model rocketry before 1970 ( 1967 actually) and
2. attained the ripe old age of 50.
3. was born before 1957 when Model Rocketry started
So to be a member you have to be at least 50 years old and have started in
model rocketry before 1970. Why 1970 you say? well actually the cutoff date
is 9/69 when Vern Estes finalized his sale of Estes Industries,Inc to Damon.
It doesn't cost anything to be a member of this sacred organization, other
than that you have attained the above 3 mentioned requirements plus one
more. As most of you truly "Old Rocketeers" know, we are the last of a
dying breed. We were there at or almost the beginning of the hobby sport of
model rocketry. Our numbers dwindle every year to us dying off. And nothing
is being done to preserve our precious history. Sure there re a few sites
up like Ninfinger and Ye Old Rocket Shoppe. There's the Old-timers Yahoo
group that is much off topic as it is on topic.
Anyway.... The purpose of this post is to alert you to the fact that we,
"Old Rocketeers", as guardians of the past history of model rocketry , are
in danger of forever losing our precious past so that future generations of
model rocketeers will never know what we helped to build.
So my 4th requirement for membership into SORE, would be to amend your WILL
NOW such that all of your OLD model rocketry models, kits,
magazines,catalogs,papers,motors,etc.. are donated to the Society of Old
RockEteers. Since I expect most of us to die off over the next 20-30 years
in the potentially thousands, all of the old memorabilia will be
automatically be bequeathed to SORE; SORE's responsibility will be to
collect and maintain at least 2 copies of everything that it may acquire.
the first copy of the materials collected will go into the SORE National
Model Rocketry Museum, to be built in Norfolk, Nebraska home of Orv H.
Carlisle and his brother Robert Carlisle, the man who first had the idea for
a model rocket and the person who actually made model rockets a reality..
The 2nd copy of everything would go into a heated and cooled humidity
controlled warehouse as an backup archival collection.
If it becomes impossible to build an actual physical depository for our
materials collected, then SORE would also create a members only and pay for
view website for those that would like to browse through our collection of
materials.
Obviously as thousands of us start dying off over the next 20-30 years,
there will the occasions where SORE will accumulate multiple copies of
documents such as catalogs, Model Rocket News, etc, so in that case, all
collected ideas more than the 1st and 2nd copies will be auctioned off to
the highest bidder on EBAY, with the proceeds going towards the National
Model Rocket Museum and the archival warehouse facility.
Membership into SORE is an invitation ONLY membership. In other words,
unless you can meet the above 4 mentioned membership requirements, you
cannot be a member, although at a later date for people who are interested
in preserving our model rocketry history may be able to join as associate,
non-voting members.
shockie B)
Scott Schuckert - 17 Oct 2005 19:53 GMT
> Recently I became a member of SORE(pronounced SOAR): Society for Old
> RockEteers, by virtue of the fact that I:
>
> 1. started in model rocketry before 1970 ( 1967 actually) and
> 2. attained the ripe old age of 50.
> 3. was born before 1957 when Model Rocketry started
Aren't the latter two requirements sort of redundant? I was born in
'55, and I'd love to know how I could AVOID being 50...
Hard to remember exactly when I started, but my first purchase was a
starter set with an Alpha, an Electro-Launch, engines and Ray-o-vac
batteries for eight bucks. 68 or 69? I recall the price more than the
date because my father kicked in a few bucks to keep me from stealing
his flashlight batteries.
Kurt - 17 Oct 2005 21:01 GMT
> Recently I became a member of SORE(pronounced SOAR): Society for Old
> RockEteers, by virtue of the fact that I:
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>
> shockie B)
I could be a member except I am not 50 yet. Was born in '56 and I
remember the letter Vern wrote reassuring modelers there wouldn't be any
major changes after Estes Industries became a "subsidiary of Damon
Industries" (or was it corporation?) I was in the 4th grade when I
started and dropped out at roughly 16 years of age. BAR'd last year.
My start date would have been in 1964 or 65.
Kurt Savegnago
randyolb@charter.net - 18 Oct 2005 01:11 GMT
I was born in 1956 too and have been flying since 1968 but don't qualify for
old fart status. Oh well.
Randy
www.vernarockets.com
Tweak - 20 Oct 2005 19:57 GMT
> I was born in 1956 too and have been flying since 1968 but don't qualify for
> old fart status. Oh well.
>
> Randy
> www.vernarockets.com
Well, start something else, then. What rocketry needs are more
exclusionary "cliques", don't you know?

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Tweak
shockwaveriderz - 18 Oct 2005 02:33 GMT
that should have read:
1. started in model rocketry before 1970 ( 9/1969 actually) OR
> 2. attained the ripe old age of 50. OR
> 3. was born before 1957 when Model Rocketry started
shockie B)
bit eimer - 18 Oct 2005 07:14 GMT
> that should have read:
>
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>
> shockie B)
Ahhh, now that makes a big difference. I qualify on 1) but not 2) or 3).

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Christopher Brian Deem - 19 Oct 2005 00:04 GMT
Well, let's see, I was born in 1954, started flying rockets in 1968
(still have the first rocket I built). So, I qualify. By the way, that's
MISTER Old Fart to you ;-).
> that should have read:
>
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>
> shockie B)

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Al - 19 Oct 2005 16:13 GMT
> that should have read:
>
> 1. started in model rocketry before 1970 ( 9/1969 actually) OR
>> 2. attained the ripe old age of 50. OR 3. was born before 1957 when Model
>> Rocketry started
Ahh, OK.
I was ready to troll about it being elitist, since I'm not 50.
but now that I can be part of the elite, if I was to be invited that is, I
wont ;-)
Terry Swift - 18 Oct 2005 03:19 GMT
So where/when the website or user's group? :> REALLY SORE from this
weekend's October Skies launch outside Fresno, CA with Tripoli Central
California.
terry
> Recently I became a member of SORE(pronounced SOAR): Society for Old
> RockEteers, by virtue of the fact that I:
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> shockie B)
jflis - 18 Oct 2005 15:43 GMT
Bummer! I just miss... Born in 1956 but won't be 50 till next
August... :)
Started rocketry in 1963 (42 years now...)
Have built more rockets than I can count including every rocket Estes
ever produced up to about 1972. ;That's when I got very deep into
scratch building.
jim
Starlord - 18 Oct 2005 16:50 GMT
Well lets see, I built my first Estes Scout in 1966, I was born in 1948.
Nuff Said.

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> Recently I became a member of SORE(pronounced SOAR): Society for Old
> RockEteers, by virtue of the fact that I:
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> shockie B)
paul@junglevision.com - 18 Oct 2005 17:58 GMT
> Well lets see, I built my first Estes Scout in 1966, I was born in 1948.
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> > shockie B)
paul@junglevision.com - 18 Oct 2005 18:10 GMT
Hello fellow SORE members.
Yes I have JUST attained the neccessary requirements for membership. I
JUST turned 50 (yikes!) and flew my estes Alpha(1st. rocket) on August
31, 1968. I've been a BAR since 1993, and attained level 1 in 1994 at
BlackRock desert and Level 2 in 1996 at BlackRock. I'm currently
working on several Level 3 projects at once. My most recent build being
a PoleCat aerospace 5.5" Nike. I'm also building a 6 foot tall
ThunderBird 3, with outboard cluster assist. Check out my web site
"Rocket Rodeo" for a description of early Santa Clara/Silicon valley
rocketry memories. I'm "The Rocketeer from Rodeo" My rock band of
choice ? PINK FLOYD, my movie's of choice James Bond 007 !!!
Bruce Kirchner - 31 Oct 2005 00:49 GMT
> Well lets see, I built my first Estes Scout in 1966, I was born in 1948.
>
> Nuff Said.
Built my first Estes WAC C in 1964. I was 11. $1.98 plus .49 cents
shipping from Penrose. Came with 2 motors, IIRC.
Bruce Kirchner
The Rocket Scientist - 19 Oct 2005 02:03 GMT
Lookee what "shockwaveriderz" <shockwaveriderz@hotmail.com> said!
<ka-snip>
>So my 4th requirement for membership into SORE, would be to amend your WILL
>NOW such that all of your OLD model rocketry models, kits,
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>The 2nd copy of everything would go into a heated and cooled humidity
>controlled warehouse as an backup archival collection.
Perhaps this was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but my will already
stipulates that any of my property pertaining to the hobby of model
rocketry is to be donated to my local NAR section or an educational
institution that can use it.
Bill Sullivan
"Don't overestimate the decency of the human race."
- H. L. Mencken
The Rocket Scientist - 19 Oct 2005 02:13 GMT
Lookee what "shockwaveriderz" <shockwaveriderz@hotmail.com> said!
>Recently I became a member of SORE(pronounced SOAR): Society for Old
>RockEteers, by virtue of the fact that I:
>
>1. started in model rocketry before 1970 ( 1967 actually) and
>2. attained the ripe old age of 50.
>3. was born before 1957 when Model Rocketry started
Lessee. I was born in 1951 and built my first rocket in 1964. I am
ancient and flatulent (although thanks to a recent surgery my relief
port is now located at 4 O'clock relative to my navel.)
My rock band of choice is The Grateful Dead. That's why I wish Estes
would bring back the Dark Star motors.
Beverage of choice is Guinness.
Favorite Movie: Casablanca
Favorite Bad Movie: Manos: Hands of Fate, with Starship Troopers
running a close second.
Favorite Old Rocket: Estes X-Ray
My will stipulates that upon my demise, all of my rocketry goodies
will be donated to my NAR section.
So am I SORE?
Bill Sullivan
"Don't overestimate the decency of the human race."
- H. L. Mencken
randyolb@charter.net - 19 Oct 2005 02:33 GMT
Drifting off topic...
> Beverage of choice is Guinness.
Interesting Bill. Are you talking Guinness as sold in the U.S. or real
Guinness, as sold in Ireland?
We aren't really beer fans but in October of 2004 Verna and our oldest
daughter spent a week in Ireland and she tried a pint of Guinness at a local
pub in Shannon and actually liked it pretty well. When she got back, we
tried it in cans, bottles and as sold at O'Charley's. She said what she got
on tap in Ireland was WAAAAAY better than what's sold here in the U.S.
I believe her, what I tried here was horrible. It tasted like old cough
syrup. I don't drink more than a couple of beers socially per year, so I may
not be a good judge but I'd much rather have a Killen's Red than just about
any other beer.
Personally, if I'm having "fire water" I much prefer good ole Jack Daniel's
or Smirnov. ; )
(Smirnov is made by real Russian Cherokees ya know.) ; )
Randy
www.vernarockets.com
paul@junglevision.com - 19 Oct 2005 21:18 GMT
When I used to drink (I also used to work on the Stock Exchange floor,
so I drank a lot) my Blackrock morning tipple was Tang mixed with
Russian Vodka (Stolichniya).
And yes rockets will be donated to LUNAR when the time comes.
randyolb@charter.net - 20 Oct 2005 00:02 GMT
> Tang mixed with Russian Vodka (Stolichniya).
I've heard that's what Gagarin had on his flights back in the 60's. ; )
Randy
www.vernarockets.com
Mario Perdue - 20 Oct 2005 03:17 GMT
>>Tang mixed with Russian Vodka (Stolichniya).
>
> I've heard that's what Gagarin had on his flights back in the 60's. ; )
>
> Randy
Before they found that you could mix it with water to make an orange
drink, Tang was eaten dry. It was called Spoon Tang then...
Mario
Bill Eichelberger - 20 Oct 2005 08:40 GMT
WOW! I bow to the master.
Does that make this a "poon" instead of a pun?
Bill Eichelberger - 20 Oct 2005 08:43 GMT
I'm 43, was born in 1962, didn't start flying until 1977, and now
because of SORE, I'm planning to stipulate in my will that all of my
rocket stuff be cremated with me.
I fart in your 50 year old general direction.
;-) =8-O
Tweak - 20 Oct 2005 13:37 GMT
> I'm 43, was born in 1962, didn't start flying until 1977, and now
> because of SORE, I'm planning to stipulate in my will that all of my
> rocket stuff be cremated with me.
> I fart in your 50 year old general direction.
> ;-) =8-O
Ding ding. We have a winnah.
I'm with you, Bill.

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randyolb@charter.net - 20 Oct 2005 21:10 GMT
>I fart in your 50 year old general direction.
> I'm with you, Bill.
> Tweak
SOOOOOOOOO! Been eating too many hot wings, huh.
Randy
www.vernarockets.com
Kurt - 20 Oct 2005 18:54 GMT
> I'm 43, was born in 1962, didn't start flying until 1977, and now
> because of SORE, I'm planning to stipulate in my will that all of my
> rocket stuff be cremated with me.
> I fart in your 50 year old general direction.
> ;-) =8-O
Well, at least you can tell the difference and not poop in your pants! :)
Kurt Savegnago
Bill Eichelberger - 21 Oct 2005 03:14 GMT
Only at parties and only if I'm given advance notice. :-o