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Reece Talley - 02 Jan 2006 18:18 GMT
I know this may be off topic since it does not contain any
political/religious material nor does it bitch, carp, complain, pontificate
or in any way, shape or form, try to bemean, belittle or otherwise destroy
another person, but it is about models in general and more specifically,
rocket powered models. Enjoy  :)

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/51245/mac_hodges_b_29/

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bob352 - 02 Jan 2006 18:46 GMT
That was AWESOME..do you have any knowledge on the specs of the X-1?
BTW, some pretty trick flying with the B-29 at the end, too!
Bob 352
Reece Talley - 02 Jan 2006 19:13 GMT
I only know what you saw. I got this off of a Trapshooters forum I surf.

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Reece Talley - 02 Jan 2006 19:23 GMT
How about an F14?
http://www.speedguide.net/~brian/F14.wmv

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Reece Talley - 02 Jan 2006 19:25 GMT
A tad grim but here's a real B-52 crash

http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/936131~007eb95b9e4da692bf6069e65ce7fc5a/B5
2_bomber_2-1.wmv


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Kevin Trojanowski - 02 Jan 2006 23:50 GMT
> A tad grim but here's a real B-52 crash
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/936131~007eb95b9e4da692bf6069e65ce7fc5a/B5
2_bomber_2-1.wmv

That one had me VERY curious, as my dad was a Nav for BUFFs at Fairchild
many years ago, and that footage is obviously old.

Based on some searching, it looks like it occurred in 1994, well after
we had left there.

-Kevin
Chuck Rudy - 03 Jan 2006 02:32 GMT
>> A tad grim but here's a real B-52 crash
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -Kevin

I cannot view it.....but if it's the one of a B-52 making a 90 degree
banked turn and knifing into the earth, it was highlighted on a disaster
show I saw recently.  IF that's the one, the pilot was considered a
cowboy though he did the Air Force B-52 demonstration at air shows, was
practicing and had been waived off on his first approach.  He made a
short circuit around the airbase and went waaaaaaay too steep in his
turn on final.  Took a crew of 3 with  him.......damn shame.

If that's not the clip, tell me to shut the piehole.  ;-)

Chuck
Chuck Rudy - 03 Jan 2006 02:36 GMT
>>> A tad grim but here's a real B-52 crash
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Chuck

I'll be a dope and reply to my own message but here's a site with all
the vids......   http://alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm#Videos
the RC B-52 is one there and the crash I was speaking of......a who's
who of disaster aviation.

Chuck
Kurt - 03 Jan 2006 05:53 GMT
>>>> A tad grim but here's a real B-52 crash
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Chuck

They did a thing on this on 60 minutes.  Something about the
co-pilot having reservations about the pilot but flew with
him anyways.  Didn't want anyone else to get killed.

Anyone remember the segment to confirm?

                            Kurt Savegnago
Reece Talley - 03 Jan 2006 06:35 GMT
On a different note, there was an article back in MAC Flyer, a USAF
publication, back in the 70s that detailed how a C141 jockey got himself
into a pucker factor 10+ situation. Seems said airman got his 141 nose first
into the jetstream. He then proceeded to throttle back until he was standing
still relative to the ground 35,000 feet below. Not satisfied with that, he
reduced throttle even further and began flying backward. The trouble came as
he slipped out of the main part of the airmass and promptly stalled. The
acft fell uncontrolled for over 25,000 feet before regaining control. Said
pilot finished his career flying a D.O.D./US Govt. model 16273 desk, gray
with typing station.

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Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired - 03 Jan 2006 14:27 GMT
> On a different note, there was an article back in MAC Flyer, a USAF
> publication, back in the 70s that detailed how a C141 jockey got himself
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> pilot finished his career flying a D.O.D./US Govt. model 16273 desk, gray
> with typing station.

   Those rags were good reading. TAC Attack in the mid 1970s had an
article on animal strikes at altitude. The snake at 18,000 feet was the
one I remember. There was a similar article about parachutists falling
through the rotor plane of a helicopter after jumping from a C-130. At
that time  TAC had tactical airlift squadrons in case anyone was
wondering about the link between TAC and C-130.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
nitram578 - 03 Jan 2006 16:05 GMT
Oh yes I members.  They also were in charge of the Special Ops A/C for a
time before they became a seperate entity.  Oh the Mighty Talon tre top
level at night " flying chickens in the barnyard"

>> On a different note, there was an article back in MAC Flyer, a USAF
>> publication, back in the 70s that detailed how a C141 jockey got himself
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired - 04 Jan 2006 04:03 GMT
> Oh yes I members.  They also were in charge of the Special Ops A/C for a
> time before they became a seperate entity.  Oh the Mighty Talon tre top
> level at night " flying chickens in the barnyard"

  I was in 55 ARRS doing special ops and laughing at 1 SOW whine when
MAC bought 'em out. It was even funnier when TAC bought out 1 SOW when
the whine became "TAC doesn't understand big airplanes." Ah yes, the
good old days when 1 SOW's pave lows were second hand from 55 ARRS :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
W. E. Fred Wallace - 03 Jan 2006 22:18 GMT
> > On a different note, there was an article back in MAC Flyer, a USAF
> > publication, back in the 70s that detailed how a C141 jockey got himself
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

62nd TAS, TAC Sewart AFB TN., March 1966 - April 1968, C130E Crew chief
50th TAS, (Red Devils) PACAF, CCK AB Taiwan, May 1968 - August 1969,
C130E Crew Chief

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Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired - 04 Jan 2006 04:13 GMT
>>>On a different note, there was an article back in MAC Flyer, a USAF
>>>publication, back in the 70s that detailed how a C141 jockey got himself
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Fred, CMSGT USAF, Retired

  I was at Langley Airplane Patch when the closed the three TAS
squadrons there. If memory serves their last designation was 316 MAW.

  Chief, by the time I retired in 1994 the chiefs couldn't hold a
candle to you old guys. Too much book learning and face time.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Starlord - 04 Jan 2006 18:21 GMT
I once saw a film clip many long years ago of a B-47 doing a Loop the Loop,
it was scary watching it and seeing the wings flex under power. I had
forgotten about seeing that clip until reading these messages.

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>>>>On a different note, there was an article back in MAC Flyer, a USAF
>>>>publication, back in the 70s that detailed how a C141 jockey got himself
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired - 04 Jan 2006 20:17 GMT
> I once saw a film clip many long years ago of a B-47 doing a Loop the Loop,
> it was scary watching it and seeing the wings flex under power. I had
> forgotten about seeing that clip until reading these messages.

  Are you sure it was a loop? The B-47 originally used a toss mode for
nuclear weapons delivery. In the usual toss mode the B-47 would fly
directly towards the target, at a specified point it would pull up and
release the bomb at roughly 40º - 50º then continue pulling up until
inverted then roll upright and depart the area.

  As for flex the KC-135 has about 14 feet of flex measured at the wing
tip if memory serves. I once saw a show where they tested a wing (777?)
to destruction. If memory serves the wingtip flexed 24 feet before
breaking. Next time you fly commercial get a window seat where you can
watch the wing. You'll see flex in "smooth" air. If they buit a rigid
wing you'd have a bumpier ride and a heavier aircraft.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Starlord - 05 Jan 2006 17:11 GMT
I saw the clip ( newsreel on TV ) back in the 50's and yes it was a full
loop. It started with the bomber only about 200ft above the ground.

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>> I once saw a film clip many long years ago of a B-47 doing a Loop the
>> Loop, it was scary watching it and seeing the wings flex under power. I
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Reece Talley - 03 Jan 2006 05:56 GMT
That was the clip and that was the pilot. His co-pilot's family was in the
crowd that day, a wife and a young kid. It was sad, really sad.

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Kevin Trojanowski - 04 Jan 2006 00:20 GMT
> That was the clip and that was the pilot. His co-pilot's family was in the
> crowd that day, a wife and a young kid. It was sad, really sad.

Yep, it's a sad day any time they lose an aircrew, and even moreso
because the family had to watch it happen.

-Kevin
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired - 03 Jan 2006 14:14 GMT
>>> A tad grim but here's a real B-52 crash
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Chuck

  The clip to which you refer was a jerk, who should have been grounded
years before, showing off. The copilot ejected and was incinerated in
the fireball.

http://s92270093.onlinehome.us/CRM-Devel/resources/paper/darkblue/darkblue.htm

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
nitram578 - 02 Jan 2006 21:53 GMT
Reece Thanks for those awsome videos,  I don't think a real B-29 could do
that but it was a very impresive flight.

>I only know what you saw. I got this off of a Trapshooters forum I surf.
randyolb@charter.net - 03 Jan 2006 03:30 GMT
 
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