I have been building rockets since 1985, but never really thought of testing
the effects of fin straightness on rocket flight. I feared it would only
cause an unstable flight. Now due to a mock up science fair my Sons school
is conducting, he decided to find out What IF. We have built 3 Sizzler
models (boy are they smaller than they used to be!) and we placed the fins
straight 90 degrees on one, at a slight angle 110 degrees on another and a
large angle 140 degrees on the third. I live in a an area where the weather
over the last few weeks has not been suitable for launches, but his data is
due Friday. We attempted a launch today, but the wind picked up to around
10 MPH and the rocket was not recovered. I expect we will have to fake the
data, but I'm not sure what exactly will happen. Will the rocket fly, but
have altitude decreased by the spin, is it more likely it will fly out of
control, or will I see little difference? Please respond, I can't find any
simulators that permit me to angle the fin to the body and produce results.
All the usual programs assume I am smart enough never to improperly install
fins on the tube without really saying why.
HELP
Reece Talley - 05 Jan 2006 06:24 GMT
No need to fake the data. Download the test version of Rocksim and build the
rockets in the sim program. Program in your launch data and fly them in
simulation. www.apogee.com has the program.

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Kevin OClassen - 05 Jan 2006 09:35 GMT
I don't believe Rocksim offers the option of canting the fins (or if it
does, I'd like to find it!)
The theoretical rate of rotation at given velocity can be calculated by
Nx=Vrocket/[2*pi*Rfin*Tan(pitch angle)]
where
Nx= rotational velocity in revs/sec
Vrocket is the velocity of the rocket in ft/sec
RFin is the radius of the fins from centerline of rocket to tip of fin
Pitch angle = 90- fin inclination angle
I went through trying to get FinSim's SpinSim to work with RockSim 8, with
no luck. Finally I just plugged the above info into a spreadsheet populated
with CSV info from RockSim. The formulae I used are taken from the SpinSim
documentation by John Cipolla.
Kevin OClassen
Cliff Sojourner - 05 Jan 2006 09:52 GMT
> I don't believe Rocksim offers the option of canting the fins (or if it
> does, I'd like to find it!)
rocksim 7 & 8 can 1 through 8 fins, any shape, at any rotation, so you
can make it do anything radial. offset is more difficult but can be
done. sort of.
The Rocket Scientist - 05 Jan 2006 16:41 GMT
> I have been building rockets since 1985, but never really thought of testing
> the effects of fin straightness on rocket flight. I feared it would only
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> HELP
Faking the data is a pretty sorry example to set for your son. Do you
think he's a Korean stem cell researcher or something like that?
Either report the missing rockets (which ought to be a legitimate
outcome) or build new rockets. But don't fake data.
There's a word for that sort of behavior: FRAUD.
Bill Sullivan
Booms - 05 Jan 2006 21:32 GMT
Rule #1: Don't fake any data.
Part of conducting an experiment is to try to explain the reason for an
outcome whether you predicted it or not. Why did you lose the rocket? was
it because of the flight characteristics from the combination of the wind
and the fin angle? Did the rocket wind cock like it should have if you set
the launch angle as close to zero as possible, or did it fly higher and more
straight because of the spin from the fin cantor? From what is he basing
his initial theory of the behavior of the rocket? Stines book? Those are
the things that you need to explain. It's still a valid experiment. Didn't
you observe the take off or video tape it? How did you measure the
altitude? Did you use the Estes altitude tool?
Gates son did an experiment very similar to this that won him the California
State Science Fair. His experment was the effect of spin on altitude if I
remember correctly. HIs didn't go as expected either and he lost one of his
or it core sampled or something if I remember, but that was all put in his
results too. He had a link to his paper a long time ago and it was very
impressive. Maybe Erik can upload it again for everyone to see.
I'm still trying to teach my son the proper way to write a lab report.
Showing him my college lab books only gets him so far. I see the most
difficult part for kids is they don't know how to describe results
effectively or completely.
Good luck
-Booms
> I have been building rockets since 1985, but never really thought of testing
> the effects of fin straightness on rocket flight. I feared it would only
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> HELP