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Making a Federal Case out of Flaming

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The Rocket Scientist - 10 Jan 2006 18:01 GMT
If this is true, rmr alone could paralyze the Justice Department.

http://news.com.com/Create%20an%20e-annoyance,%20go%20to%20jail/2010-...

or:

http://tinyurl.com/e2nok

Bill Sullivan

"A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers."
H. L. Mencken
David - 10 Jan 2006 22:21 GMT
Maybe that alone would make all the annoyance of RMR worthwhile...

-- David

> If this is true, rmr alone could paralyze the Justice Department.
>
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> "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers."
> H. L. Mencken
J.A. Michel - 10 Jan 2006 22:31 GMT
RMR is a very tame and civil compared to other groups.  I've been reading
alt.home.repair and alt.hvac because I'm doing a large project with my home.
People on alt.hvac are especially mean.  They flame people and use terrible
filthy language for no apparent reason at all.

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Joe Michel
NAR 82797 L2
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> If this is true, rmr alone could paralyze the Justice Department.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers."
> H. L. Mencken
jj - 11 Jan 2006 20:07 GMT
I think the HVAC people must have sniffed too much Freon !!!
tai fu - 13 Jan 2006 02:14 GMT
Be careful guys... saying anything bad about Bush might get the KGB (err.. I
mean Secret Service) on your tail....

Where's the constitution these days?? now it's anything goes when it comes
to search and seizure... fourth amendment is pretty much gone. Now even
first amendment is pretty much gone too because if you don't watch what you
said you could be called "terrorist" or the recent laws that keeps getting
passed that restricts free speech. Just most of the "developed" nations have
passed some real scary anti terrorist laws, in England they just said police
can detain ANYONE for any offense (that means you can be arrested for
littering!). USA just passed a law that allows the government to look at
your bank records without a court order if they believe you are a
"terrorist".

I am sure Bush has good intentions to make those laws but what if someone
else comes along that is not as God fearing, and decides to play Adolf
Hitler? These laws might have good reason in light of recent event but they
are very dangerous, it is like a disaster waiting to happen!

--
TAI FU
Bob Kaplow - 13 Jan 2006 14:43 GMT
> Where's the constitution these days?? now it's anything goes when it comes

As my "Bill of Rights" t-shirt says, "Void where prohibited by law".
http://www.lpwi.org/liberty-store.html

I heard that 50 years from now China (no, not the one you're in Tai) is
going to invade the USA and restore democracy and civil rights.

It seems our facist government is removing rights here as they try to force
them down other countries throats. It's really time for another tea party.

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       It had become an universal and almost uncontroverted position in
       the several States, that the purposes of society do not require
       a surrender of all our rights to our ordinary governors; that
       there are certain portions of right not necessary to enable them
       to carry on an effective government, and which experience has
       nevertheless proved they will be constantly encroaching on, if
       submitted to them; that there are also certain fences which
       experience has proved peculiarly efficacious against wrong, and
       rarely obstructive of right, which yet the governing powers have
       ever shown a disposition to weaken and remove. Of the first
       kind, for instance, is freedom of religion; of the second, trial
       by jury, habeas corpus laws, free presses. -- Thomas Jefferson

Alan Jones - 13 Jan 2006 16:55 GMT
>> Where's the constitution these days?? now it's anything goes when it comes
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>I heard that 50 years from now China (no, not the one you're in Tai) is
>going to invade the USA and restore democracy and civil rights.

Where did you hear that?  I'm sure Homeland Security wants to know.
Is that a "Code 46" like violation?  ;)

>It seems our facist government is removing rights here as they try to force
>them down other countries throats. It's really time for another tea party.

All your base belong to U.S.  :(
tai fu - 13 Jan 2006 19:17 GMT
Funny we have more freedom here than in the US in certain respects (well we
can't own guns or anything) like you don't have to ask for anyone's
permission to mod your house, or paint the fence (if there is any) or
anything like that. In most communities you had to get permission from your
community if you wanted to mod your house... like owning properties has any
value anymore... That just goes with Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto plank
1, abolish private properties...

--
TAI FU
randyolb@charter.net - 13 Jan 2006 22:40 GMT
> Funny we have more freedom here than in the US in certain respects

Like what?

>(well we can't own guns or anything)

I would say that's a loss of a MAJOR right, not loss of freedom.

>like you don't have to ask for anyone's permission to mod your house, or
paint the fence (if there is any) or
> anything like that.

Where did you live that neighborhood covenants applied? That usually only
applies when you're dealing with high end housing, as in exclusive
neighborhoods, not every house in America.

>In most communities you had to get permission from your community if you
wanted to mod your house...

That would be called zoning restrictions. No one wants a lead factory next
door or apartments in the center of $500k estates.

>That just goes with Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto plank 1, abolish
private properties...

How long did you live inb the U.S.? Where?

Randy
www.vernarockets.com
TDKozan - 14 Jan 2006 02:11 GMT
> "tai fu" <sdfgsdfg@aol.com> wrote in message

<clippety-do>

>>like you don't have to ask for anyone's permission to mod your house, or paint the fence (if there is any) or anything like that.
>
> Where did you live that neighborhood covenants applied? That usually only
> applies when you're dealing with high end housing, as in exclusive
> neighborhoods, not every house in America.

Only if you consider trailer parks as mid-level housing. . . not that
you're not safe there either.  Covenanted housing has permeated nearly
every level of residential development and many areas have some
"helpful" folks trying to bring it into existing neighborhoods.

>>In most communities you had to get permission from your community if you wanted to mod your house...
>
>  That would be called zoning restrictions. No one wants a lead factory next
> door or apartments in the center of $500k estates.

Thank you for proving his point with your strawman.

<rest elided>

TK

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randyolb@charter.net - 14 Jan 2006 03:03 GMT
> Thank you for proving his point with your strawman.

How'd I do that?

He's getting his terms and generalities mixed up.

I live in a city of almost 4 million. Roughly 30% of the neighborhoods have
some kind of covenant and are rarely enforced unless you're talking mega
bucks and that's the upper 5 % of homes.

I was a contractor in 9 states for 23 years. I am now a building inspector
for a financial institution in 4 states. That's pretty much the average
nationally, which is hardly "most" of America.

Randy
www.vernarockets.com
tai fu - 14 Jan 2006 09:09 GMT
Yea zoning is nonexistant in Taiwan, just about everyone that lives on the
first floor turns their home into a store front. It's called free enterprise
here...

I dont know about factories, because they are usually located in less urban
enviroment.

--
TAI FU
tai fu - 14 Jan 2006 09:12 GMT
> > Funny we have more freedom here than in the US in certain respects
>
> Like what?

Like the government can't look at your records without a court order, the
police can't arrest without a warrant (unless you like kill someone in front
of them). In fact the police here are required to be nice to civilians,
because if they are not and someone files a complaint on them they are like
screwed.

In the US in light of recent events the government can do what they want,
they will just use "terrorist" as an excuse.
randyolb@charter.net - 14 Jan 2006 19:33 GMT
snip

Oh. Just the same, I'll stay here. Enjoy your opportunities!

Randy
www.vernarockets.com
tai fu - 14 Jan 2006 21:21 GMT
Yea, we are just under threat from China... personally I'd rather be
threatened by a nation than by terrorists, at least a nation has laws, where
terrorists just does what they want.

--
TAI FU
<randyolb@charter.
Jerry Irvine - 13 Jan 2006 19:30 GMT
> > Where's the constitution these days?? now it's anything goes when it comes
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> It seems our facist government is removing rights here as they try to force
> them down other countries throats. It's really time for another tea party.

I hate it when I agree with a liberal :)

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Bob Kaplow - 13 Jan 2006 22:33 GMT
> I hate it when I agree with a liberal :)

I'm NOT a liberal.

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       They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
       temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --
       Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759

Kevin Trojanowski - 13 Jan 2006 23:16 GMT
> I'm NOT a liberal.

You just play one on RMR....  8-}

-Kevin
Bob Kaplow - 14 Jan 2006 01:02 GMT
>> I'm NOT a liberal.
>
> You just play one on RMR....  8-}

If anything, I'd call myself a libertarian.

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I support drug testing. I believe every public official should be given a
shot of sodium pentathol and ask "Which laws have you broken this week?".

Kevin Trojanowski - 14 Jan 2006 04:10 GMT
>>>I'm NOT a liberal.
>>
>>You just play one on RMR....  8-}
>
> If anything, I'd call myself a libertarian.

I know, Bob.  It was just too good an opportunity to pass up.

-Kevin
stealthboogie@aol.com - 15 Jan 2006 00:02 GMT
Guess that means conflicting schizo political views and always voting
for losers?

Like Presidential candidate Michael Badnarik who garnered a whopping .3
% of the vote in 2004...

.9% of the vote or ZERO representives in the house...

.9% of the vote or ZERO Senators.

DSC
Cranny Dane - 15 Jan 2006 21:21 GMT
> >> I'm NOT a liberal.
> >
> > You just play one on RMR....  8-}
>
> If anything, I'd call myself a libertarian.

Bob, were not many founding fathers Libertarians ?
Bob Kaplow - 16 Jan 2006 01:22 GMT
>> In article <%wWxf.2754$ZE.748@dukeread11>, Kevin Trojanowski
> <troj@excessbits.cox.net> writes:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Bob, were not many founding fathers Libertarians ?

I don't know what they called themselves back then, but I think that is what
they would be today. What could be more "American" and patriotic than
returning to the principles this country was based on; instead of the
corrupt crap we have today.

All it takes is a little tea party...

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... One nation under surveillance, divisive, with liberty and justice for none.

tai fu - 16 Jan 2006 10:47 GMT
From what I remember in history class after Independence there was the
Republican and the Federalist party...
Alan Jones - 16 Jan 2006 16:04 GMT
>From what I remember in history class after Independence there was the
>Republican and the Federalist party...

Well, I'm liking the English style of democratic government more than
the US style.  National control has eroded states rights (to say
nothing of individual rights) to the point that states are little more
than administrative counties of the national government.  The
bicameral legislature is a neat idea but pointless in today's
environment.  If we are to persist in the two party system,
Republicans and Democrats, it would make more sense to have one
legislative body for each, with both still required for passage of a
bill, and other actions.
 
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