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I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group here, or did i imagine it? > I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group > here, or did i imagine it? Once upon a time. Now, it seems to be primarily political drivel and some guy with a stream-of-consciousness style mixed with conspiracy theory and NASA hatred. -Kevin Oh PULLLLLEASE do not give it that much credit Kevin. >> I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group >> here, or did i imagine it? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -Kevin > > I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group > > here, or did i imagine it? Those were the commercials. > Now, it seems to be primarily political drivel and some guy with a > stream-of-consciousness style mixed with conspiracy theory and NASA hatred. Back in 1959 they took the monkey over him, and he's never gotten over it. Randy www.vernarockets.com >> I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group >> here, or did i imagine it? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -Kevin Not to be disrespectful but I just ignore it. There are also filters I haven't figured out how to use yet. There are still bits of good information that comes through but I wished folks wouldn't answer some of the obvious drivel that gets listed here. If no one commented on the stuff, perhaps less would get posted. Kurt > Not to be disrespectful but I just ignore it. I ignore most of it, as well. It's just unfortunate that there's so much of it; there used to be a lot more quality content. -Kevin > > Not to be disrespectful but I just ignore it. > > I ignore most of it, as well. It's just unfortunate that there's so > much of it; there used to be a lot more quality content. > > -Kevin Even the content that is posted usually degenerates into vitriolic spew within a few posts. The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were.  SignatureTweak >The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about >tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. > It's not dead, it's just resting... David Erbas-White >> The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about >> tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. >> > > It's not dead, it's just resting... No, no, it's pining for the fjords.... > >> The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about > >> tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No, no, it's pining for the fjords.... And lobster thermidor... SignatureTweak >> >> The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about >> >> tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >And lobster thermidor... And cigar humidor... <g> tah -- Tod A. Hilty Hilty Information Systems Do not look in the direction of the flash... Curl up in a ball as you hit the ground... CAUTION: The Mass of This Product Contains the Energy Equivalent of 85 Million Tons of TNT per Net Ounce of Weight Please replace weinerboy dot org with adelphia dot net for reply. > The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about > tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. Please expound, who or what is the trinity ? CD >>The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about >>tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. > > Please expound, who or what is the trinity ? > > CD Probobly Jerry, Dave Gravis, and possibly Ray or Fred. If those 4 would take a time out from flaming each other, this place would have a much better signal to noise ratio. ;) (Oh, and [to everyone] stop replying to the moon kooks - they just want replies. Nothing you say will change that, and probobly just make it worse. Havn't you ever heard the term "Don't feed the trolls.") > > Please expound, who or what is the trinity ? > > > > CD > Probobly Jerry, Dave Gravis, and possibly Ray or Fred. If those 4 would > take a time out from flaming each other, this place would have a much > better signal to noise ratio. ;) Hey Jerry started it..(:-) Why did you bring it up, hasn't it been quiet lately?? :) >>>The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about >>>tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >replies. Nothing you say will change that, and probobly just make it >worse. Havn't you ever heard the term "Don't feed the trolls.") When was the last time that happened? If you care, you might want to get the facts before you type. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That girl in the black leather in Matrix. David Erbas-White > > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > David Erbas-White Ooohhh la la, la la la la. SignatureTweak >>>>The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about >>>>tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ooohhh la la, la la la la. You're just saying that because She has a chainsaw. >>>>The unholy trinity started the downward slide, now RMR is just about >>>>tits up. Pushing the daises, as it were. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ooohhh la la, la la la la. Times that by ten for me :) Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > >Please expound, who or what is the trinity ? > > That girl in the black leather in Matrix. Good One ! > I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group > here, or did i imagine it? You imagined it. Tech posts are punished by long rants to follow. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >>I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group >>here, or did i imagine it? > > You imagined it. > > Tech posts are punished by long rants to follow. Yeah, I remember the fellow who posted a suggestion on getting good paint adhesion. He stated that when you get to the last primer coat, to just use a fine distant mist so you get a bit of a "gritty" surface. His contention was this gave the color coats some bite to stick to the model better. I've used it and he is right. People were calling him a stupid bastard. You have to sand the primer and he came back with essentially read my note. "When you get to the last coat, sputter it on. You can sand all the other coats you want to." I know as before I did this, I would use ultra fine sandpaper on the primer and paint would flake off with little trauma. It's ashame people get spastic over technical issues as I think more folks would post helpful tidbits if things weren't so bad. AKS > >>I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group > >>here, or did i imagine it? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > AKS I don't recall anyone being called a "stupid bastard" in a paint thread, but with a penchant for hyperbole being the norm on RMR... A rough primer finish will give you a rough paint finish. That's it. Paint is a magnifying glass, not a coverup. I guess it depends on one's definition of acceptable finish. SignatureTweak >I guess it depends on one's definition of acceptable finish. If you can see flaws after the first second of flight the finish sucks. If an auto body shop (or other "professional") painted it, the finish sucks. If you claim the finish is perfect and I see a flaw, it sucks - unless you change your mind about it being perfect. 8-) > I guess it depends on one's definition of acceptable finish. I had a rocket at a launch and people were exclaiming how great the finish was. I was disappointed in all the mistakes in it at the time. The first person I showed all the mistakes tosaid , "so ? it still looks good." after about the third person saying how good it looked, I quite thinking it sucked myself and now I like how it looks. a finish might just be part perception and part attitude ! CD > I quite thinking it sucked myself and now I like how it looks. Eye of the beholder... ; ) Randy www.vernarockets.com > > I quite thinking it sucked myself and now I like how it looks. > > Eye of the beholder... ; ) > > Randy > www.vernarockets.com http://www.keslers.net/ I spent many hours wet sanding, then used multiple coats of automotive enamel covered with "plenty" of urethane clear. It looks "decent" to me. SignatureTweak > I spent many hours wet sanding, then used multiple coats of automotive > enamel covered with "plenty" of urethane clear. It looks "decent" to > me. Then it looks good to me. ; ) Hey, I do good to get primer on. Sanding? We don't need no stinking sanding!!! Randy www.vernarockets.com >>I spent many hours wet sanding, then used multiple coats of automotive >>enamel covered with "plenty" of urethane clear. It looks "decent" to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Randy > www.vernarockets.com Hey Randy, Sometimes after shooting primer, I see where there may be a fine defect in the grain that can be remedied with a sand job and extra coat of primer. Plastic nosecones sometimes show the putty underneath with one coat and a second makes it more opaque. Kurt Savegnago >>>I spent many hours wet sanding, then used multiple coats of automotive >>>enamel covered with "plenty" of urethane clear. It looks "decent" to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Kurt Savegnago If you shoot automotive primer like I do, try and find a brand/formulation that has the highest solids content. They do vary. Heavier solids primer is a bit more difficult to spray (sputters easily), but you'll find that if fills defects much more quickly in fewer coats. Solids content, usually expressed as a percentage, should be listed on the label somewhere. Oh yeah, it'll cost ya more too, but it's way worth it... tah -- Tod A. Hilty Hilty Information Systems Do not look in the direction of the flash... Curl up in a ball as you hit the ground... CAUTION: The Mass of This Product Contains the Energy Equivalent of 85 Million Tons of TNT per Net Ounce of Weight Please replace weinerboy dot org with adelphia dot net for reply. > Sometimes after shooting primer, I see where there may be a fine > defect in the grain that can be remedied with a sand job and extra coat > of primer. Plastic nosecones sometimes show the putty underneath with > one coat and a second makes it more opaque. Yep! I do that too. I also tend to use paint as fill & finish. ; ) Randy www.vernarockets.com >>>>I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group >>>>here, or did i imagine it? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I guess it depends on one's definition of acceptable finish. Hi Tweak, No, I believe the words were stronger and you are wrong. As long as the mist/particle size is small enough, a few coats of color will fill in the valleys and the finish will be smooth. If done right you can only feel the roughness with your hand not really see it. I was always wrong sanding to ultra-fine finish of the primer before shooting the color. Of course if you really want "glass", wet sand the color coat and shoot several coats of lacquer. It is extremely tedious but boy does the car wax make it look nice. I've also found the one can get away with a cheaper color coat if they are going to invest the time in wet sanding and shooting lacquer. Been lucky sometimes in shooting a good quality of color that it looks so good, I don't bother with the lacquer. Yes I do like to fly sometime! :) Kurt Savegnago > >>>>I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group > >>>>here, or did i imagine it? [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Kurt Savegnago Wrong? Believe what you will. If you have to wet sand the color coat for anything more than the adhesive requirements for clear, then the surface prep was inadequate. Wet the primered surface with water before you paint the basecoat and that will give you a good indication of what it will look like when sprayed. Now, if you want to have a little contest... SignatureTweak >>>>>>I thought there used to be an active model rocketmdiscussion group >>>>>>here, or did i imagine it? [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Now, if you want to have a little contest... No need, I think we are doing the same thing. Look I used to sand primer ultra fine, shoot color and would chip and flake off easily with normal landings. Sputter was a poor choice of words on my part. For final primer coat that I already sanded, I guess a better term would be shoot a light coat and not sand it. The sanding of the color coat is only like you state above and I fully agree if one is going to shoot the lacquer. If I were get the surface prep perfect and a light coat of primer looked good, I wouldn't sand, let it dry, shoot color and go from there. Sounds right? (Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, flaming or insulting. Cool) :) Kurt Savegnago <whack> >No need, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Kurt Savegnago I had a process and testing technician at an automotive paint manufacturer that I used to work for show me how, that with judicious application, a little medium strength wax & grease remover would "soften" the color coat just enough so that the clear would grab. Works like a charm. Although, the keyword is "judicious", as if you use too strong of a wax & grease remover, or use a little too much elbow grease for too long, then off comes the color coat. The same works for primer to color coat bond too. Took a little practice... FWIW.. tah -- Tod A. Hilty Hilty Information Systems Do not look in the direction of the flash... Curl up in a ball as you hit the ground... CAUTION: The Mass of This Product Contains the Energy Equivalent of 85 Million Tons of TNT per Net Ounce of Weight Please replace weinerboy dot org with adelphia dot net for reply. > <whack> > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > -- Then there's Future Floor Wax. Been using it for years on my rockets. Works great and easy to clean. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >> <whack> >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > TRA#5512 > IEAS#75 Heard about the Future Floor Wax but is it safe to use over the color coat before shooting a clear lacquer? Kurt Savegnago <snip> >> Then there's Future Floor Wax. Been using it for years on my rockets. >> Works great and easy to clean. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Kurt Savegnago No, it *replaces* the clear lacquer. Lacquer's a bad thing anyway. It's really not very sturdy as a top coat. Clear automotive polyurethane is the way to go. Extremely hard, durable finish. Or, Future which is essentially a water-based acrylic clear. tah -- Tod A. Hilty Hilty Information Systems Do not look in the direction of the flash... Curl up in a ball as you hit the ground... CAUTION: The Mass of This Product Contains the Energy Equivalent of 85 Million Tons of TNT per Net Ounce of Weight Please replace weinerboy dot org with adelphia dot net for reply. >>> <whack> >>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Kurt Savegnago No no, I mean to use the wax as a alternative to the clear coat. Every fall I clean off the wax with Windex and elbow grease and in the spring I recoat with Future. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > (Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, > flaming or insulting. Cool) :) > > Kurt Savegnago Well, we can fix the civility issue right now, you stupid bastard. There, how is that? ;-) SignatureTweak >>(Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, >>flaming or insulting. Cool) :) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > There, how is that? > ;-) I don't know, it's missing something. Can you do it like jerry? > >>(Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, > >>flaming or insulting. Cool) :) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't know, it's missing something. Can you do it like jerry? Aroint thee! Speaketh not of one of the unholy trinity, lest thee bring him as flies cometh to dung. SignatureTweak >>>>(Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, >>>>flaming or insulting. Cool) :) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Aroint thee! Speaketh not of one of the unholy trinity, lest thee bring > him as flies cometh to dung. That's pretty good, but You didn't mention the FAQ or repeatedly call Someone a moron, but otherwise You captured the spirit. >>> (Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, flaming or >>> insulting. Cool) :) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't know, it's missing something. Can you do it like jerry? Point. >>>> (Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, flaming or >>>> insulting. Cool) :) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Point. This should be in the FAQ. <g> Just Tech Tod <vbg> tah -- Tod A. Hilty Hilty Information Systems Do not look in the direction of the flash... Curl up in a ball as you hit the ground... CAUTION: The Mass of This Product Contains the Energy Equivalent of 85 Million Tons of TNT per Net Ounce of Weight Please replace weinerboy dot org with adelphia dot net for reply. > >>>> (Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, flaming or > >>>> insulting. Cool) :) many snips > Point. > This should be in the FAQ. > Just Tech That all seems quite civil and also focused on associated CONTENT. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >>>>>>(Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, flaming or >>>>>>insulting. Cool) :) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That all seems quite civil and also focused on associated CONTENT. Finally, a sense of humor thread! Kurt Savegnago >>>>>(Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, flaming or >>>>>insulting. Cool) :) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > tah Yeah, now I feel all warm and fuzzy. >>(Gee, a rational discussion here withoug screaming, >>flaming or insulting. Cool) :) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > There, how is that? > ;-) Cool :) ;) Kurt Savegnago > Now, if you want to have a little contest... Yeah, right! Like we're going to get in a chicken eating contest with you. Randy www.vernarockets.com >>Now, if you want to have a little contest... > > Yeah, right! Like we're going to get in a chicken eating contest with you. > > Randy > www.vernarockets.com Chainsaws at ten paces. >>>Now, if you want to have a little contest... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Chainsaws at ten paces. Bet he's chicken. > Bet he's chicken. You know what they say... you are what you eat. Randy www.vernarockets.com > If you have to wet sand the color coat > for anything more than the adhesive requirements for clear, then the > surface prep was inadequate. That's why after I finish building mine, I hand them to Verna and go find the ball game on tv. ; ) > Randy > www.vernarockets.com |
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