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Model Forum / General / Rockets / January 2006"Rockets" magazine has started accepting subscriptions
Hi Folks: I discovered today that "Rockets" magazine (http://www.libertylaunchsystems.com/) has their subscription payment service up and running.  SignatureWill Marchant, NAR 13356, Tripoli 10125 L3 kc6rol@amsat.org http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/will/ seems a bit pricey but also seems low on ads > Hi Folks: > I discovered today that "Rockets" magazine > (http://www.libertylaunchsystems.com/) has their subscription payment > service up and running. >Hi Folks: >I discovered today that "Rockets" magazine >(http://www.libertylaunchsystems.com/) has their subscription payment >service up and running. I never heard of them before. Are they new? How many issues have been published? SignatureDarren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/ UKRA #1094 L2 RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/ Hi Darren: Yes, "Rockets" magazine is brand new. Theirs was the winning proposal to provide a magazine for Tripoli. The announcement from the TRA BOD is at http://www.tripoli.org/misc/magazine.shtml Best wishes, Will >>Hi Folks: >>I discovered today that "Rockets" magazine [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Are they new? > How many issues have been published? SignatureWill Marchant, NAR 13356, Tripoli 10125 L3 kc6rol@amsat.org http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/will/ >Hi Darren: >Yes, "Rockets" magazine is brand new. Theirs was the winning proposal >to provide a magazine for Tripoli. The announcement from the TRA BOD is >at http://www.tripoli.org/misc/magazine.shtml Cool. SignatureDarren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/ UKRA #1094 L2 RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/ I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell "November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the 'sample download issue' says that it is "January/February 2005", while clearly reflecting events from late 2005 and upcoming events for 2006. I view the first as a minor 'nit'. I view the fact that every page has the wrong date on it as a major 'nit'. Unfortunately, this does not reflect well (IMHO) on the editorial ability of those putting the magazine together, and I speak as the former editor of a computer journal (about twenty years ago). David Erbas-White > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hi David: They're big players in http://www.mdrocketry.org/ as well. You could look at their newsletters to see if you spot a long term trend that might influence your decision to buy the magazine. I've already subscribed for a year to see how they do... Best wishes, Will > I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell > "November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > David Erbas-White SignatureWill Marchant, NAR 13356, Tripoli 10125 L3 kc6rol@amsat.org http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/will/ >I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell >"November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >David Erbas-White I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. Also, they will get the job done - not sit on their a.ses whining about people not sending stuff. Oh and I'm sure that they (like me) will insert typos to keep the anal retentive readers happy. Maybe you can keep score and see if ER or Rockets get the best "grade.";-) Phil You said Neil and Bob. ;-0 SignatureJoe Michel NAR 82797 L2 http://geocities.com/jm44316 >>I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell >>"November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Phil >I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. >THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. Also, they [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Phil > I'm hoping you're correct, and still plan on subscribing. I don't (in general) consider myself "anal retentitive" for most things, but because of the background of the previous magazine, there is (naturally) going to be more scrutiny when the new one first appears. My background in editing both a journal and technical papers makes me 'see' these types of things more readily (because I've 'learned' to look for them automatically), but I don't generally comment on them because I understand that mistakes happen. However, I get upset with blatant errors (such as the road sign on the I-5 northbound out of LA that proclaims in foot-high letters that vehicles with more than 4 "AXELS" must exit, or during the LA Olympics when all of LAX had stenciled on the walls where the "extinguisers" were located), or when folks are putting forth a "new, improved" something or other, and the first thing that catches my eye are the errors. David Erbas-White >>I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. >>THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. Also, they [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >David Erbas-White I see your point. Believe me - I've noticed it too but if it is shipped and it has the kind of content I expect, I'm not going to get to excited about typos - that won't stop me frombustin on them though. 8-) > >I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell > >"November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > retentive readers happy. Maybe you can keep score and see if ER or > Rockets get the best "grade.";-) If only. You do it because you're an idiot. No other reason. > > >I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell > > >"November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > You do it because you're an idiot. No other reason. And, from what I hear, "you only respond like your above example, when sitting behind a keyboard"..(:-) >>>>I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell >>>>"November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > And, from what I hear, "you only respond like your above example, when > sitting behind a keyboard"..(:-) Never got a answer from him regarding his trip to see Lee Piester either :) Actually, I'm very curious. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >>>>>I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell >>>>>"November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >TRA#5512 >IEAS#75 If I were you, I'd call him up. IIRC a while back I saw something here that said he has a hobby shop in AZ. >> >I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell >> >"November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >You do it because you're an idiot. No other reason. Thanks Steve. If you didn't think I were an idiot, it would lower my credibility with the rest of the world. > I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. > THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. Nope. I published California Rocketry magazine which kickstarted the HPR industry itself. I was clearly a frequent flier. > Also, they > will get the job done - not sit on their a.ses whining about people > not sending stuff. Same. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com > > I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. > > THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jerry So what happened; why did you stop publishing? Did you forget to pay your publisher vender bills. >>>I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. >>>THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So what happened; why did you stop publishing? Did you forget to pay > your publisher vender bills. Now Fred, be fair, jerry didn't *forget* to pay. > >>>I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. > >>>THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Now Fred, be fair, jerry didn't *forget* to pay. Sorry, forgot the facts are in evidence.. > "So what happened; why did you stop publishing? Did you forget to pay > your publisher vender bills." Post office got PISSED when they read on the bulk mail permit "Model Aircraft Parts" Oops, that was the wrong parcel, sorry >> > I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. >> > THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So what happened; why did you stop publishing? Did you forget to pay > your publisher vender bills. > So what happened; why did you stop publishing? Did you forget to pay > your publisher vender bills. Maybe the shipments were mislabled "Paper Airplane Parts"... ;) DSC >> I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. >> THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Jerry Sorry I left you out. > >> I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. > >> THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sorry I left you out. I actually prefer it that way with you Phil. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >> >> I fly with the guys Neil and Bob. THey are real frequent flyers. >> >> THat might be a first in rocketry magazine publishing. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >I actually prefer it that way with you Phil. THen don't bring it up. There's no pleasing some people. This is just a sample and the "nits" will become less and less. However, knowing both individuals, as well as I do, I know they expect and welcome constructive criticism. So, feel free to send them an email. Fred "one of them MDRA Big Dog flyers" Wallace > I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell > "November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >>to provide a magazine for Tripoli. The announcement from the TRA BOD is > >>at http://www.tripoli.org/misc/magazine.shtml I've been gone a while. What ever happened to Bruce Kelley and HPR? Thanks. Steve Lubecki > I've been gone a while. What ever happened to Bruce Kelley and HPR? > Thanks. Bruce was unable to meet the publishing requirements stipulated in his contract with TRA. As a result, the contract was terminated at LDRS last summer. i > > I've been gone a while. What ever happened to Bruce Kelley and HPR? > > Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > i After missing the requirements continuously for 12 years. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >> Bruce was unable to meet the publishing requirements stipulated in his >> contract with TRA. As a result, the contract was terminated at LDRS >> last summer. >> >> i >After missing the requirements continuously for 12 years. There was no formal contract for many years. The current Tripoli board finally created a formal contract with HPR. The contract was terminated for non-performance. Brian Elfert > >> Bruce was unable to meet the publishing requirements stipulated in his > >> contract with TRA. As a result, the contract was terminated at LDRS [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > There was no formal contract for many years. There was a WRITTEN promise both in the magazine and at the associated (TRA) websites of a price and a frequency. The price was collected and the frequency was NOT delivered. That "promise" was indeed a contract. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >>>>Bruce was unable to meet the publishing requirements stipulated in his >>>>contract with TRA. As a result, the contract was terminated at LDRS [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jerry A "promise" is NOT a contract. > >>>>Bruce was unable to meet the publishing requirements stipulated in his > >>>>contract with TRA. As a result, the contract was terminated at LDRS [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > A "promise" is NOT a contract. In your case, neither a promise nor a contract is a contract. Post your 4-1-91 contract :) SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >>>>>>Bruce was unable to meet the publishing requirements stipulated in his >>>>>>contract with TRA. As a result, the contract was terminated at LDRS [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Post your 4-1-91 contract :) What contract? Post a copy of this "4-1-91 contract" that you mention. >> There was no formal contract for many years. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Jerry Yep. I also find it odd that a contract had to be created to define non performance. Hell if there's no contract you you feel the is a performance issue, just fire his a.s. > >> There was no formal contract for many years. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Yep. Dave Grayvis disagrees with the obvious. Of course. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >>>>There was no formal contract for many years. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dave Grayvis disagrees with the obvious. Of course. No jerry, I'm disagreeing with your assertion that a promise is a contract. I am not in disagreement with issues of HPR mag. >>> Bruce was unable to meet the publishing requirements stipulated in his >>> contract with TRA. As a result, the contract was terminated at LDRS [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > finally created a formal contract with HPR. The contract was terminated > for non-performance. And how many years was the contract in place and how many of those years was the contract requirement met? SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org ... One nation under surveillance, divisive, with liberty and justice for none. >> There was no formal contract for many years. The current Tripoli board >> finally created a formal contract with HPR. The contract was terminated >> for non-performance. >And how many years was the contract in place and how many of those years was >the contract requirement met? Going from memory, the formal contract was in place for only one, maybe two years. You could reread the BOD minutes if you want the exact dates. Since there was no formal contract, I don't know why the BOD couldn't have terminated the deal at any time. I think some of the old BOD members simply didn't care, especially since Bruce Kelly was president and HPR publisher. The new BOD decided there should be a formal contract to see if Bruce would finally live up to his obligations and he didn't. Brian Elfert > >> There was no formal contract for many years. The current Tripoli board > >> finally created a formal contract with HPR. The contract was terminated [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Since there was no formal contract, I don't know why the BOD couldn't have > terminated the deal at any time. Just a guess. Gross stupidity? Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >>>> Bruce was unable to meet the publishing requirements stipulated in his >>>> contract with TRA. As a result, the contract was terminated at LDRS [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >And how many years was the contract in place and how many of those years was >the contract requirement met? The contract was in place for about 1 year. >I've been gone a while. What ever happened to Bruce Kelley and HPR? >Thanks. > >Steve Lubecki Wonder if he's in prison for mail fraud. Does anyone know? Does anyone care? >>I've been gone a while. What ever happened to Bruce Kelley and HPR? >>Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Wonder if he's in prison for mail fraud. Does anyone know? Does > anyone care? Isn't he still running TRA HQ? More importantly, isn't TRA money still going through his hands? SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century >>>I've been gone a while. What ever happened to Bruce Kelley and HPR? >>>Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Isn't he still running TRA HQ? More importantly, isn't TRA money still going >through his hands? No. TRA's money goes to Bruce Lee. > Isn't he still running TRA HQ? More importantly, isn't TRA money still going > through his hands? Only if you send cash. Credit card processing is in the hands of Bruce Lee, and checks are also deposited by Bruce Lee -- the TRA accounts are at a Nebraska bank, and Bruce Lee holds the checkbook. -Kevin >> Isn't he still running TRA HQ? More importantly, isn't TRA money still going >> through his hands? > > Only if you send cash. Credit card processing is in the hands of Bruce > Lee, and checks are also deposited by Bruce Lee -- the TRA accounts are > at a Nebraska bank, and Bruce Lee holds the checkbook. Thanks for the update. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in and the West in general into an unbearable hell and a choking life." Don't get me wrong, I plan on subscribing, but I'm 'disappointed' at how it's been presented at kickoff. David Erbas-White >This is just a sample and the "nits" will become less and less. However, >knowing both individuals, as well as I do, I know they expect and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>>>at http://www.tripoli.org/misc/magazine.shtml >>>> > I'm a little taken aback by the fact that they not only can't spell > "November" on the main page of their website, but by the fact that the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > magazine together, and I speak as the former editor of a computer > journal (about twenty years ago). The folks who submitted bids to provide the mag for TRA had to include a sample to give the BOD some idea of what the mag would look like. That's all this sample is. >The folks who submitted bids to provide the mag for TRA had to include >a sample to give the BOD some idea of what the mag would look like. >That's all this sample is. > > Ray, First, I still plan on subscribing, but I'm disappointed at the first public presentation. Second, IF what you say is true, it does not negate my statements. A magazine that is 'published' (even as a sample) showing events in November of 2005, should not have a publication date of Jan/Feb 2005. Unless this is HPR under new ownership??? <G> David Erbas-White > Hi Folks: > I discovered today that "Rockets" magazine > (http://www.libertylaunchsystems.com/) has their subscription payment > service up and running. Not for us overseas yet though. But as with all good things, it will come with time & the USPS. Though I'm increasingly unsure about the latter... G. SignatureGraham J. Platt graham (a) bowhunter (d) demon (d) co (d) uk TRA #10112 L3 UKRA #1264 L3 RSO >> Hi Folks: >> I discovered today that "Rockets" magazine [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >G. I think the Chinese guys that sell movie DVD's before the movie is in the theaters, will have copies of Rocketry for sale before Neil and Bob mail the first issue. Keep an eye out. This will be a hot item. "Philip Stein" <pjstein@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > I think the Chinese guys that sell movie DVD's before the movie is in > the theaters, will have copies of Rocketry for sale before Neil and > Bob mail the first issue. Keep an eye out. This will be a hot item. Jack Benny: Now THAT'S funny. : ) Randy www.vernarockets.com >> Hi Folks: >> I discovered today that "Rockets" magazine [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >come with time & the USPS. Though I'm increasingly unsure about the >latter... I think Rebel have announced they will be stocking it over this side of the pond. Cheers Mike 8-{> -- UKRA #1208 L2 RSO EARS # 1118 TRA UK #3207 L1 (The Original TRA UK that is) -=*=- Gravity is a harsh Mistress -=*=- -=*=- The Tick -=*=- Remove .co.uk from Reply To: address. Also, I just had confirmed from Bob Utley that the new magazine will offer "protected" delivery for $1 more per issue -- otherwise they slap a label on the magazine and send it out. The new delivery option will be on the web site soon. And you can rest assure that the first issue will have the correct dates! I just signed up for 12 issues, and I've asked for advertising information. I know these guys, and I believe they'll give it their best shot...even though they often don't show enough respect for the sacred English language! Doug Pratt dad-at-pratthobbies-dot-com > Also, I just had confirmed from Bob Utley that the new magazine will > offer "protected" delivery for $1 more per issue -- otherwise they slap [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And you can rest assure that the first issue will have the correct > dates! > Also, I just had confirmed from Bob Utley that the new magazine will > offer "protected" delivery for $1 more per issue -- otherwise they slap > a label on the magazine and send it out. The new delivery option will > be on the web site soon. Now that's tempting, since the Post Office seems to like to chew on my issue of ER each month.... -Kevin >> Also, I just had confirmed from Bob Utley that the new magazine will >> offer "protected" delivery for $1 more per issue -- otherwise they slap [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >-Kevin I hope they don't chew up the half that you didn't write. 8-) Check out their subscription page -- it has been updated to include Canada and Australia plus they've added the "envelope" option for $1 per issue. https://www.libertylaunchsystems.com/Subscriptions/ > Check out their subscription page -- it has been updated to include > Canada and Australia plus they've added the "envelope" option for $1 > per issue. > > https://www.libertylaunchsystems.com/Subscriptions/ For normal US delivery, will they be sending this out via the magazine rate, instead of the more expensive rate that HPR used? SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org ... One nation under surveillance, divisive, with liberty and justice for none. |
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