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Model Forum / General / Rockets / January 2006Seven myths about the Challenger disaster
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11031097/ > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11031097/ Myth #8, which I heard twice on this morning's news: Christa McAuliffe was the first civilian to go into space. Gregory Jarvis, also on the Challenger was also a civilian, working for Hughes at the time. Charlie Walker from McDonnell Douglas had already made 4 shuttle flights. And there may have been others.  SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11031097/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > McDonnell Douglas had already made 4 shuttle flights. And there may have > been others. Neil Armstrong was a civilian test pilot. I think he was the first in space also. >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11031097/ >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Neil Armstrong was a civilian test pilot. I think he was the first in > space also. Jarvis and Walker were civilians, as in not NASA employees. Armstrong was a naval avaitor, although he was not in the navy at the time of his selection by NASA. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, except to encourage attendance in Christian churches; or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, except to require prayer in schools; or abridging the freedom of speech, except for those questioning the Bush administration; or of the press, except that not owned by Rupert Murdoch; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, except those protesting pre-emptive wars; and to petition the government for a redress of grievance, except those we don't like." -former U.S. Sen. Gary Hart > Jarvis and Walker were civilians, as in not NASA employees. > > Armstrong was a naval avaitor, although he was not in the navy at the > time of his selection by NASA. For years Armstrong was called the first civilian astronaut, as in non-military at the time of his selection. I can see the distinction, but that only means a different term is needed to describe Jarvis and Walker. Jarvis was a retired Air Force Captain (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/jarvis.html) and classified as a Mission Specialist. Onizuka appears (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/onizuka.html) to have been active duty Air Force and an Astronaut. >> Jarvis and Walker were civilians, as in not NASA employees. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > but that only means a different term is needed to describe Jarvis and > Walker. SignatureWill Marchant, NAR 13356, Tripoli 10125 L3 kc6rol@amsat.org http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/will/ > Jarvis was a retired Air Force Captain > (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/jarvis.html) and classified as a > Mission Specialist. Jarvis was a former USAF captain, he did not retire from the service. > Jarvis and Walker were civilians, as in not NASA employees. Civilians are those not in the military, NASA is not a military agency. >> Jarvis and Walker were civilians, as in not NASA employees. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >but that only means a different term is needed to describe Jarvis and >Walker. Charlie Walker was an Engineer employed by McDonnell Douglas Astronautics, a major player in the miltary-industrial complex. MDD had a commercial contract with a pharmaceutical company. Under that contract MDD and CW developed an electrophoresis machine to separate materials in a low g environment. MDD subsequently paid NASA to train and fly CW, and the equipment, on the shuttle four times, to run the equipment. Many buttons were produced proclaiming Charlie Walker as a space manufacturer. CW's experiments were successful and pushed the pharmaceutical company to develop more economical earth based production. Alan >> Jarvis and Walker were civilians, as in not NASA employees. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > but that only means a different term is needed to describe Jarvis and > Walker. Non-NASA? But then Christa WAS a NASA astronaut. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in and the West in general into an unbearable hell and a choking life." > Neil Armstrong was a civilian test pilot. I think he was the first in > space also. Joseph Walker was the first civilian in space. On July 19, 1963, he flew an X-15 to an altitude of 347,800 feet, over 106 kilometers. This http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_A._Walker (I know, an unimpeachable source! 8) says he was a military test pilot. http://www.astronautix.com/astros/waloseph.htm says he got USAF and FAI wings for his flight. That makes me think he was still associated with the Air Force. Will Steven P. McNicoll wrote: >>Neil Armstrong was a civilian test pilot. I think he was the first in >>space also. > > Joseph Walker was the first civilian in space. On July 19, 1963, he flew an > X-15 to an altitude of 347,800 feet, over 106 kilometers. SignatureWill Marchant, NAR 13356, Tripoli 10125 L3 kc6rol@amsat.org http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/will/ > This http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_A._Walker (I know, an > unimpeachable source! 8) says he was a military test pilot. > http://www.astronautix.com/astros/waloseph.htm says he got USAF and FAI > wings for his flight. That makes me think he was still associated with > the Air Force. Joe Walker flew P-38s during WWII. He left the USAAF at the end of the war and was hired by NACA in March 1945. NACA begat NASA and Walker was named chief NASA pilot for the X-15 project in 1959. If he had been in the USAF while flying the X-15 he would have received USAF astronaut wings for his first flight above 50 miles, which occurred on January 17, 1963. He reached an altitude of 271,700 feet on that flight, above the USAF's standard of 50 miles but less than the 100 kilometers used by the FAI. None of the civilian X-15 pilots received astronaut wings for their flights at the time because there were no astronaut wings for civilians. That was rectified last August, see the link below: http://www.nasa.gov/missions/research/X-15_wings.html >> This http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_A._Walker (I know, an >> unimpeachable source! 8) says he was a military test pilot. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://www.nasa.gov/missions/research/X-15_wings.html I think by "civilian", they mean non-NASA (as in NASA not being their primary occupation) as well as non-military. Sen. Jake Garn and Rep. Bill Campbell made trips (behore January 1986), and I think these qualify as "civilian" by MSNBC's definition. SignatureGreg Heilers Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 10.2 (2.6.13) AUS ..... He gets it from your side of the family, you know. No monsters on my side. -- Homer Simpson Treehouse of Horror II > I think by "civilian", they mean non-NASA (as in NASA not > being their primary occupation) as well as non-military. Then they use the word incorrectly. > Myth #8, which I heard twice on this morning's news: Christa McAuliffe was > the first civilian to go into space. Gregory Jarvis, also on the > Challenger > was also a civilian, working for Hughes at the time. Christa McAuliffe and Gregory Jarvis did not go into space. |
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