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Model Forum / General / Rockets / March 2006US Rockets failure to deliver "Save Rocketry Now" prize
I haven't posted on any newsgroup in some time, but I needed to bring this up. 5 months ago, I won a Titan kit from US Rockets along with a pack of Ellis Mountain E12 motors from Just Rockets. http://www.saverocketrynow.org/prizes.asp Within a few weeks, Just Rockets came through with the prize that they had donated and that I had won. I thank Just Rockets for coming through in timely fashion. Jerry Irvine (US Rockets) on the other hand has sent zilch. The last time I heard from him was right before Thanksgiving on November 16th; he said that they were missing the parts and he would get the kit sent out as soon as he was "back from his business trip". It is now February 1st and still no Titan kit. I tried emailing him again last week, but as usual he didn't reply. How many other people won a US Rockets item from Save Rocketry Now haven't received their prize yet? I have to wonder why he offered all these different prizes to this raffle and 5 months later, he has failed to come through. Shouldn't Mr. Irvine only offer things that he has on hand and is ready to ship? Better yet, shouldn't Mr. Irvine spend more time with his business matters instead of wasting it on posting on newsgroups like RMR?;) I would have kept this matter private, but Jerry's failure to deliver on this prize that I legitimately won in this raffle has forced my hand. If Jerry continues to fail to deliver and if there is another Save Rocketry Now raffle or one like it, I will contact the coordinators not to accept anything from US Rockets. I paid (donated) my money like everyone else to this cause and I should surely hope to receive my prize like everyone else. Richard Burney > I haven't posted on any newsgroup in some time, but I needed to bring this > up. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Richard Burney Maybe if you ask for "model airplane parts" you will receive something.. (;-) Seriously though and unfortunately, your not the first to experience this repetitive historical anomaly from Jerry. Good luck.. Fred > Maybe if you ask for "model airplane parts" you will receive something.. > (;-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fred LOL! Who says I wasn't going to make a model airplane out of this kit?;) > Jerry Irvine (US Rockets) on the other hand has sent zilch. The last time I heard from him was right before Thanksgiving on > November 16th; he said that they were missing the parts and he would get the kit sent out as soon as he was "back from his > business trip". I had an uncle who spent a lot of time away on "business trips". Weird thing was, my aunt was always visiting him on weekends and taking him cigarettes, magazines, etc. So if he was that close, why didn't he just come home on weekends? RMR's #1 jackass has been laying low lately. Maybe this SRN raffle has something to do with that. Or maybe he's not allowed to use a computer while on work release? ;-) At any rate, you're not the first person to say that you never got your SRN prize from Irwhine. I'd be surprised if you ever see anything. I'll tease the crap out of you if you have the guts to show up at a launch with a USR rocket. ;-)  SignatureJoe Michel NAR 82797 L2 http://geocities.com/jm44316 >I haven't posted on any newsgroup in some time, but I needed to bring this >up. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Richard Burney Joe, if I do, I might use one of those Cato Mountain E12's I got.;) > I'll tease the crap out of you if you have the guts to show up at a launch > with a USR rocket. ;-) > 5 months ago, I won a Titan kit from US Rockets along with a pack of Ellis > Mountain E12 motors from Just Rockets. > > http://www.saverocketrynow.org/prizes.asp As has been posted to rmr, one can simply contact USR (by email) with a request for a "similarly priced" kit and get that instead. As for the hateful and attacking posts from the usual suspects, you are rude and offtopic. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >>5 months ago, I won a Titan kit from US Rockets along with a pack of Ellis >>Mountain E12 motors from Just Rockets. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As has been posted to rmr, one can simply contact USR (by email) with a > request for a "similarly priced" kit and get that instead. As has been posted to rmr, you, jerry irvine of us rockets, does not respond to email queries regarding undelivered prizes. > As for the hateful and attacking posts from the usual suspects, you are > rude and offtopic. How is discussing us rockets failure to deliver "Save Rocketry Now" prizes, in a thread titled: "US Rockets failure to deliver "Save Rocketry Now" prize", considered "rude and offtopic" by you? > Jerry > As for the hateful and attacking posts from the usual suspects, you are > rude and offtopic. > > Jerry and, to remind those of your "repetitive historical anomalies", so those new to RMR will not suffer a criminal experience, as allegedly others have in the past.. > As has been posted to rmr, one can simply contact USR (by email) with a > request for a "similarly priced" kit and get that instead. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jerry Jerry, in none of your e-mail responses did you ever offer that as an option. I would have been completely fine with that, but you should have said something when it was clear that you were unable to offer the Titan kit to me any time soon. Why did you have Save Rocketry Now post basically fraudulent information about the prizes you could offer... you should only had offered ACTUAL PHYSICAL MERCHANDISE THAT YOU HAD ON HAND AND WERE READY TO SHIP! I could have told Mark Bundick and Kevin Trojanowski that I was going to offer, oh lets say, an actual Space Shuttle! Obviously I don't have one so it would be deceitful for me to offer something I don't have and that I'm not going to probably have anytime soon. Then of course it makes Save Rocketry Now look bad when at least one of the donating parties fails to come through with their promises. After I e-mailed you in November, I gave you two-and-a-half months to get your affairs squared away and so that you could get through the holiday season with out this bother to worry about. As I already said, I e-mailed you (through US Rocket's e-mail address) again LAST WEEK about this matter. Over a week later you have not replied period... no word on sending the Titan, no offer for something else, NOTHING, NO RESPONSE. I am going to e-mail you again this evening and this time I expect a prompt response. I know it's not popular here but I am going to defend Jerry Irvine. I was also a winner in the Save Rocketry raffle and contacted Jerry about a week after the auction was over. He said that the motor casing I had won was back ordered but we worked out an arrangement to exchange a rocket kit of equal value for the casing. That kit plus the other kit I won were delivered within days of talking to him. The kits were in great shape and I donated them to a few children of the people I work with to get them into the hobby. I know there are some bad feelings toward Jerry here and I can't comment on any past indiscretions. All I can say is he did what he said he would and I wouldn't have a problem dealing with him again. Keith > I know it's not popular here but I am going to defend Jerry Irvine. I > was also a winner in the Save Rocketry raffle and contacted Jerry about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Keith Thanks. Kits can be ordered from USR directly and you pay after you get it so there is no financial risk. The purpose of offering prizes is to encourage the rest of the world to order from folks who support important efforts like SaveRocketry, EMRR, rocket materials and others. USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to the ATF lawsuit. Jerry The purpose of trolls is to annoy without actually DOING anything positive themselves. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Hi Jerry, Good to see you responding to posting for a change. So you say by paying AFTER I receive products from you, is the way to avoid risks doing business with you ... so the corollary would be: If I did send you money first, there would be risks!? At least you are being honest about your dishonesty ... that is the first step to recovery I guess? You giving the ATF lawsuit money, is like the fox giving the farmer some of his chickens back. You have done more to hurt the hobby than any single person in the history of model rocketry. You have stolen 10s of thousands of dollars from partners, individuals, and organizations. You have also given ammunition to anti-rocketry groups, by pulling that "model airplane parts" stunt ... you don't give a rats a.s about anybody other that yourself ... it shows. I say, F&$K you, F&$K your shell companies and products. I will buy Kosdon before you. I will buy Aerotech before you. I will buy Estes/Quest before you. I would rather use the paper towel rolls, before you. The SRN is just a stunt on your part to try and slither your way back into rocketry. We see this stupid, so stop thinking you are smarter than us. The purpose of a thief is to lure people into security, then steal from them when they are not looking ... as you have done time and time again for over 30 years Jerry. Well we will just have to be vigilant and look out for your scams. > Hi Jerry, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Well we will just have to be vigilant and look out for your scams. I agree completely - so much so, I could not bring myself to snip any content.. geez dude, If i give you some rocket kits, will you SHUT UP? people who demonstrate communication skills like yours do MORE dammage than ANY scam artist. you think mothers want their kids in a hobby with people who talk like you? > Hi Jerry, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Well we will just have to be vigilant and look out for your scams. > geez dude, If i give you some rocket kits, will you SHUT UP? > > people who demonstrate communication skills like yours do MORE dammage than > ANY scam artist. > > you think mothers want their kids in a hobby with people who talk like you? The HPR hobby has dropped off 90% since 1992. > > Hi Jerry, > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > Well we will just have to be vigilant and look out for your scams. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com WOW ... really? I don't think so, but I am having fun, so it must ok ... Don't want any rockets, but I do need some metal geared BB servos for a 5 meter scale glider I am working on. Now if you could only ... Jerry Irvine wrote:i > > geez dude, If i give you some rocket kits, will you SHUT UP? > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. > Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com > USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to > the ATF lawsuit. > > Jerry You should restate that as OFFERED. You didn't physically send the actual prizes to SRN. You gave SRN a list, but how many of those prizes truly existed for keeping the end of your promise? If another Save Rocketry Now raffle is done, they should demand that donators physically send the items to SRN so no BS like this takes place. > USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to > the ATF lawsuit. No, you promised them, but obviously haven't delivered. You make claims of offering alternatives, yet people can't get you to respond to emails, so those claims are obviously worth about as much as your prize promises. You're the only one I consistently get emails regarding on this, too. You can make all the claims you want, but to date, they're BS, because as you have done in previous "prize donations", you've failed to deliver the goods. Until such time as you make good on your promises, sit down and shut up. -Kevin >> USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to the >> ATF lawsuit. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > have done in previous "prize donations", you've failed to deliver the > goods. I never thought I would be this doing ever...... I am not defending or sticking up for anyone,just stateing the facts...so here goes............I entered the save rocketry contest not ever thinking or caring if I won anything......just did it to donate money to the cause..............but low and behold.......I never go a notice or anything........but in november a us rockets piston launch kit showed up out of nowhere.....no note or message of any type with it.......so I assumed it was from my entry...........any how I got my prize, so some one was doing there job correctly and credit must be given where credit is due.....I'm just sorry the rest of you did not get your prizes in a timely fashion......... thankyou somebody.....whom ever you are! james hendricksen wrote: >>>USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to the >>>ATF lawsuit. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > get your prizes in a timely fashion......... thankyou somebody.....whom ever > you are! Not really in the same realm as the SRN raffle but in '04 I got a USR Sonic 2200 from JI via ebay. I got the thing via USPS within the same week and it didn't cost extra for shipping. I'm still amazed on how he got it to MN so fast and cheap. Received the kit in excellent condition and it comes with just about the best balsa cone I've ever seen! On a much more related note I also won a item on the SRN raffle. I still don't have my prize yet but I also know that the prize donator does this as his side gig. I also know his day job involves some serious travel and I can't forget he has a family. In my particular case it's obvious where the priority is and should be. I'll get it when I get it. I'm in no hurry but maybe that's just me. It's only a hobby.....and a fun hobby at that. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 Sure Ted, Its only a hobby ... Jerry rips off a few people, its just spilt milk or having to crack a few eggs to make a cake. Ted, I NEVER want to see a SINGLE f.cking posting from you EVER complaining that you were ripped off in a Jerry transaction or ANY other action by ANYONE else. If you do, you are talking out the side of your neck! And I WILL CALL YOU ON IT PUBLICALLY. So lets have fun, Jerry rip off as many suckers as you can find, because its all one big fun hobby ... peoples hard earned HONEST money, is just PLAY/FUN money for Jerry. Ted, NEVER open your mouth about being ripped off or make comments about such people ... its just a big friggin fun hobby ... Now the rest of us see how Jerry SLITHERS in and out of the hobby ... Jerry, I guess its ok to steal from people as long as you have fun doing it ... according to Ted ... > Not really in the same realm as the SRN raffle but in '04 I got a USR > Sonic 2200 from JI via ebay. I got the thing via USPS within the same [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > TRA#5512 > IEAS#75 Dude, lay off the meth. Didn't your doc warn you on the side effects of mixing the meth with Cialis? http://www.all-good-tabs.com/lyrics-bands-wesley_willis-suck_a_cheetahs_dick-176 346.html Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > Sure Ted, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>TRA#5512 >>IEAS#75 Hehe haha ... now was that FUN? Please let us know you take on it! Its FUN, so its ok Ted ... right? Hehe haha ... hehe haha I NEVER want to see a single posting for the remainder of your life complaining about being ripped off ... if you DO I will call you the HYPOCRIT that you are ... so be VERY careful in your financial dealings Teddy ... be very careful. > Hehe haha ... now was that FUN? Please let us know you take on it! > Its FUN, so its ok Ted ... right? Hehe haha ... hehe haha I NEVER want > to see a single posting for the remainder of your life complaining > about being ripped off ... if you DO I will call you the HYPOCRIT that > you are ... so be VERY careful in your financial dealings Teddy ... be > very careful. Insulin pills....didja take any today? :) Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > Hehe haha ... now was that FUN? Please let us know you take on it! > Its FUN, so its ok Ted ... right? Hehe haha ... hehe haha I NEVER want > to see a single posting for the remainder of your life complaining > about being ripped off ... if you DO I will call you the HYPOCRIT that > you are ... so be VERY careful in your financial dealings Teddy ... be > very careful. Let's be clear. He posted that because of this: the notorious t-e-d wrote: > Not really in the same realm as the SRN raffle but in '04 I got a USR > Sonic 2200 from JI via ebay. I got the thing via USPS within the same > week and it didn't cost extra for shipping. I'm still amazed on how he > got it to MN so fast and cheap. Received the kit in excellent condition > and it comes with just about the best balsa cone I've ever seen! Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Jerry ... I don't care if Jesus Christ posts a message ... you are still a snake and should be cast out of the Garden of 'rocket' Eden! I don't care if he posted because pigs can fly, you are still one of the greatest threats/embarrasments to the hobby of Rockety at ANY and ALL Levels! I realize you have an ego ... I realize you are a sociopath ... and I also realize that you are a evil person at the core ... Which of those points would you failingly like to refute? So you gave away $500.00 worth of products, you have STOLEN 10s of thousands from other people/orgs. So you are 'honest' today, have you paid your debts to the hundreds of people you have ripped off? No, so you are just as dirty now as youo were then. Q.E.D. Now if you need more help understanding this ... nevermind ... its useless with you. All we can do is warn others about you. james hendricksen wrote: > I never thought I would be this doing ever...... I am not defending or > sticking up for anyone,just stateing the facts...so here goes............I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > get your prizes in a timely fashion......... thankyou somebody.....whom ever > you are! I'm glad you got your kit; truly, I am. I had HOPED this would be the case for everyone, and jerry did get a number of the prizes out on time. However, I have received emails from numerous people who have received nada from him, and all of their emails go unanswered. The ONLY way any of them have been able to elicit ANY sort of response from him is to go public and complain. Even then, they get a rather belligerent response, even though they've first taken it up via email. -Kevin >I'm glad you got your kit; truly, I am. I had HOPED this would be the >case for everyone, and jerry did get a number of the prizes out on time. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >public and complain. Even then, they get a rather belligerent response, >even though they've first taken it up via email. Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively filters emails from certain domains (yahoo, to my personal knowledge). So maybe people really have sent him emails, and perhaps the reason that they have gone unanswered is that he really hasn't received them. Just speculation (except for the part about emails from yahoo). SignatureDarren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/ UKRA #1094 L2 RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/ > Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is > telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively > filters emails from certain domains (yahoo, to my personal knowledge). > So maybe people really have sent him emails, and perhaps the reason > that they have gone unanswered is that he really hasn't received them. In conversations with the people who've been having the problems? No. They got replies early on, then they suddenly stopped. Look at the response they get when they ask publicly; hardly pleasant. Oh, and Richard Burney got sworn at in the email reply he FINALLY got from Jerry. -Kevin >> Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is >> telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Oh, and Richard Burney got sworn at in the email reply he FINALLY got >from Jerry. I'm not trying to excuse that sort of behaviour. SignatureDarren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/ UKRA #1094 L2 RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/ > >Oh, and Richard Burney got sworn at in the email reply he FINALLY got > >from Jerry. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Darren J Longhorn How about those JI motors that were shipped to the UK, under the table, so to speak?? (:-) >How about those JI motors that were shipped to the UK, under the table, >so to speak?? (:-) Well, I don't really know how they were shipped here. They never went on the market, so I never got the opportunity to try one. SignatureDarren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/ UKRA #1094 L2 RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/ > Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is > telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just speculation (except for the part about emails from yahoo). Yahoo and other 'free' mail sources are heavily used by spammers. Many ISPs now use DNSRBLs to reject mail from known spammers. I know that every now and then even my account that I post these messages from starts rejecting mail from Yahoo as it hits some threshold and is declared a spam source. Then all those stupid yahoo group mail messages start bouncing back to yahoo as well. I'm sure the same thing happens to other free mail sources, not just yahoo. That's what you get when you use a 'free' mail provider. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it a terrible resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII. > Yahoo and other 'free' mail sources are heavily used by spammers. Many ISPs > now use DNSRBLs to reject mail from known spammers. I know that every now > and then even my account that I post these messages from starts rejecting > mail from Yahoo as it hits some threshold and is declared a spam source. > Then all those stupid yahoo group mail messages start bouncing back to yahoo > as well. A good portion of the spam I get lists AOL as its "from" address. I don't get a great deal that lists Yahoo or other free services. -Kevin >> Yahoo and other 'free' mail sources are heavily used by spammers. Many >> ISPs [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -Kevin A general note: The 'from' address will never give you the correct answer on exactly where the spam came from. Check out the ip addy in the header and do a reverse dns lookup followed by a tracert and more than anything you'll find the offending host. An more than likely the offending host is a incorrectly config'd relay host. More and more now I'm actually finding out the host is just some goobers non-patch windows system which would also would be a infected *zombie* pc. At work I apply this same technique for email viruses. Then I contact the isp(phone only) and report the ip. If the isp is worth their worth the offending PC user gets a *greeting* from their isp and I get my mail *clean* server back. Sam Spade makes all this much less of a chore Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > The 'from' address will never give you the correct answer on exactly > where the spam came from. Yep, I know. Just pointing out that I see more AOL spoofs than anything else. -Kevin > A good portion of the spam I get lists AOL as its "from" address. I > don't get a great deal that lists Yahoo or other free services. Much spam has forged from addresses. You can't tell where it came from by reading wha's int he "to" field. You have to crack the headers and reverse translate the IP addresses. SPAMCOP.NET does this for you. In addition to the DNSRBL, many sights reverse translate the IP address, and reject mail if the name and address don't match. This too reduces spam, but sometimes trips up some legitimate mail. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759 >Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is >telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Every time that I wrote to Jerry in the past about ordering products from US Rockets, I received a prompt reply. Many times Jerry would send me a direct comment about things I'd said here on rmr. Curiously, when I politely inquired about when my SRN prize would ship, I received absolutely no response, until (weeks later) I finally stated (publically on rmr) that this was what had occurred. You can draw your own conclusions. David Erbas-White P.S. Same email address used EVERY time, both in sending to him, and my 'reply-to' address. >>Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is >>telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >P.S. Same email address used EVERY time, both in sending to him, and my >'reply-to' address. Then my theory clearly doesn't apply to you. SignatureDarren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/ UKRA #1094 L2 RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/ > Then my theory clearly doesn't apply to you. It does not apply at all in this case. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com > > USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to > > the ATF lawsuit. > > No, you promised them, but obviously haven't delivered. YOU had the event several MONTHS LATE. YOU provided several "prize winners" with no address at all and confusion over what they even won. 80 or so prize winners fully satisfied. 4 or so not resolved. Care to help me resolve your errors? That would be just peachy. Jerry No good deed goes unpunished. > You make claims > of offering alternatives, yet people can't get you to respond to emails, > so those claims are obviously worth about as much as your prize promises. NO claims for exchanges went unanswered. Ever. > You're the only one I consistently get emails regarding on this, too. > You can make all the claims you want, but to date, they're BS, because [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Kevin SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com > YOU had the event several MONTHS LATE. So, you're saying that because the Presidents of NAR and Tripoli decided to delay things, this somehow caused you to not have the items on hand? That's rich. > YOU provided several "prize winners" with no address at all and > confusion over what they even won. Let's get that one straight right now. Nobody who has complained was someone for whom I cannot provide an address. As for the duplicate, I offered to pay you for that extra item, myself. You declined. Now you want to someone use that to justify your inability to deliver? > 80 or so prize winners fully satisfied. 4 or so not resolved. Care to > help me resolve your errors? That would be just peachy. I offered, bucko, you declined. The errors of YOURS still haven't been resolved, and they've received belligerence and excuses. > No good deed goes unpunished. Yeah, so I've noticed. I'm still taking crap for being stupid enough to trust you to hold to your word. As usual, of course, rather than step up and admit that you didn't follow through, you're blaming either the recipient, or someone else. Because nothing is ever your fault, yet problems seem to follow you everywhere you go. -Kevin Have you tried to use those E12 motors yet. All of the Ellis E12 motors I've seen have a huge failure rate. Like 80%. I contacted them directly and got no response. Funny, because when i contacted them months before just to ask a question about their products I got a response. My reaction to this was to place a $500 order for Aerotech motors. ;) -Fred Shecter NAR 20117 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshreadvector http://www.sirius.com > Have you tried to use those E12 motors yet. All of the Ellis E12 motors > I've seen have a huge failure rate. Like 80%. I contacted them directly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshreadvector > http://www.sirius.com Do you have any specifics on the mode of failure on the smaller Ellis SU motors? I haven't actually seen any Ellis motors lit but I have heard that the failure rate is rather high. Some of those Ellis SU motors would be perfect for my smaller stuff, but I'd also would like to *keep* my smaller stuff. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 Two modes: 1) Blow apart at ignition. And "NO" the nozzle was in no way clogged or obstructed by the igniter! 2) Motor ignites fine and the rocket proceeds to great altitude and at the moment when propellant burnout should occur, the motor casing is blown to bits. Not much left of those rockets. Until the manufacturer publicly states what is wrong and how they intend to fix it, I personally suggest not using them at all. -Fred Shecter NAR 20117 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshr... http://www.sirius.com Fred, almost two years ago I tried one of those single use Ellis Mountain J125's(?) and the motor catoed on the pad. That same day one or two more of the same motor catoed at that launch (Nebraska Heat VII). Years earlier I remember seeing multiple Ellis Mountain M1000's catoing at a number of launches I attended during 1998 and 1999. Cato, er, Ellis Mountain definitely doesn't have the best rep. When I saw that I won a set of motors from Ellis Mountain (cato problems) and a kit from US Rockets (Jerry's mixed record), I wondered if Kevin or whoever pulled my tickets was having a sense of humor.;) > Have you tried to use those E12 motors yet. All of the Ellis E12 motors > I've seen have a huge failure rate. Like 80%. I contacted them directly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshreadvector > http://www.sirius.com I've received an e-mail from an expert who says the problems are due to the non-repeatable quality of modern phenolic tubing. That is why many have shifted to other casing materials. Signature-Fred Shecter remove zorch two places to reply Current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQgotopageZ1QQsassZshreadvectorQQsorecordsperpageZ25QQ sosortorderZ1QQsosortpropertyZ1 > Fred, almost two years ago I tried one of those single use Ellis Mountain > J125's(?) and the motor catoed on the pad. That same day one or two more [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshreadvector >> http://www.sirius.com > I've received an e-mail from an expert who says the problems are due to the > non-repeatable quality of modern phenolic tubing. BS. AT and others have used the SAME phenolic as me for decades. The problem is QC by the motor maker NOT any alleged variability in phenolic. News flash. Don't run it within 10% of the burst pressure! Tech Jerry > > Fred, almost two years ago I tried one of those single use Ellis Mountain > > J125's(?) and the motor catoed on the pad. That same day one or two more > > of the same motor catoed at that launch (Nebraska Heat VII). Years > > earlier I remember seeing multiple Ellis Mountain M1000's catoing at a > > number of launches I attended during 1998 and 1999. Cato, er, Ellis > > Mountain definitely doesn't have the best rep. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Ok, so you have the SAME phenolic ... I will never spend a DIME with you. You can take that phenolic and shove it up your skinny felon a.s! But as long as you are having FUN stealing from people, according to TED, I guess its ok ... better get the OK from TED first! > Ok, so you have the SAME phenolic ... I will never spend a DIME with > you. You can take that phenolic and shove it up your skinny felon a.s! > But as long as you are having FUN stealing from people, according to > TED, I guess its ok ... better get the OK from TED first! http://www.all-good-tabs.com/lyrics-bands-wesley_willis-kiss_my_black_ass-176324.html Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > > I've received an e-mail from an expert who says the problems are due to the > > non-repeatable quality of modern phenolic tubing. > > BS. AT and others have used the SAME phenolic as me for decades. Hey, I thought you said you don't make motors -- you're just a middleman. > The > problem is QC by the motor maker NOT any alleged variability in phenolic. > > News flash. Don't run it within 10% of the burst pressure! Here's a news flash for you, Jerry: The phenolic tubing manufacturers have changed hands in recent years, and the quality has gone downhill since then. Of course, if you were an actual motor manufacturer you would have known that. When, exactly, was the last time you made motors? Was it before or after your felony conviction? i > Fred, almost two years ago I tried one of those single use Ellis Mountain > J125's(?) and the motor catoed on the pad. That same day one or two more of > the same motor catoed at that launch (Nebraska Heat VII). Years earlier I > remember seeing multiple Ellis Mountain M1000's catoing at a number of > launches I attended during 1998 and 1999. Cato, er, Ellis Mountain > definitely doesn't have the best rep. We had 5 of 'em that day, I think. Later, George Collins moved here from the southwest and had a cluster of them; one of those catoed, too. Different motor that time. I won't buy an Ellis Mountain motor. -Kevin Took time but I received my Titan kit. Am currently busy converting and USR Banshee to dual-deploy with the Xavien designed 2.25" electronics bay. Going to use a Perfect Flite altimeter. I've ordered kits before from USR and have no problems whatsoever. I'm glad he generally doesn't bother with chutes as I like to use my own nylon ones anyways. The plastic wrap ones usually end up at chutes for my son's Army men and G.I. Joes. Kurt Savegnago > I haven't posted on any newsgroup in some time, but I needed to bring this > up. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Richard Burney As of Thursday night, Jerry has indicated to me that he will ship me one of his Mosquito 2.2 kits (worth the same value as his Titan kit). I wanted to update everyone on the situation. For now I will be laying this controversy to pasture, but if I don't see anything in the next few weeks, I will continue to hold Jerry's feet to the fire over this matter and will either resurrect this thread or start a new one. Before this mess started, I had no beef against Jerry Irvine and it just perplexes me why I have gotten this kind of treatment from him when we have neither met or have had any kind of past interaction. >I haven't posted on any newsgroup in some time, but I needed to bring this >up. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Richard Burney > Before this mess started, I had no beef against Jerry Irvine and it just > perplexes me why I have gotten this kind of treatment from him when we have > neither met or have had any kind of past interaction. > > "Richard Burney" It's not you or about you, it's all about "Jerry" and his history.. (:-) One thing for sure, he seems consistent... Fred Just an update about my situation with Jerry Irvine/US Rockets. Two weeks ago I finally received his Mosquito 2.2 kit in the mail. Guess what? It was missing both centering rings! Finally about two weeks I received in the mail both centering rings. Last night I sent him a final e-mail thanking him for sending the rings. But I also used the opportunity to go over again the problems I have experienced with Jerry over the last 6 months and how that has negatively effected me ever being a customer of his or recommending others to buy from him. Below are the contents of that e-mail: ************************************ Jerry, Got the set of centering rings in the mail yesterday. Thanks for the speedy delivery. With that said, I have to say I am not too terribly impressed by your overall service as a company or you as a person. Back after I originally won that Titan kit from the Save Rocketry Now raffle, when it became evident that you were unable to deliver on the item you had promised you should have: A) Told me that you did not have it on hand B) Give me a timetable on when you could actually provide the prize. If you had said that it would have been, let's say, 6 months out or so and you had promptly returned my e-mails letting me know what the situation was, I would have been cool with that. or C) Offered me an alternative. All of a sudden out of the blue on RMR you mentioned the possibility of me picking an alternative when you had never mentioned that to me before. After all the months of dicking around with you I had no choice but to publicly put this situation on RMR... of course this created bad publicity for you, but it was your own fault. After taking a light hearted poke at you because of your own dealings (or I should say lack of) with me and other rocketeers you privately e-mailed me to "f.ck off"... didn't have the balls to tell me that right on RMR itself, huh? I have dealt with a lot of rocketeers through out the years and I would never expect that kind of childish behavior from very few of them. Because of this experience I have had with you, you have personally guaranteed that I will NEVER be a paying customer of yours and that I will sway as many people that I can NOT to buy your products. Again this was all a very avoidable situation. Richard *********************************** Today I got the following e-mail response from Mr. Irvine: *********************************** >From: Richard Burney Date: Fri Mar 03 18:30:29 CST 2006 >To: Jerry Irvine <01rocket@gte.net> >Subject: Centering rings received >Told me that you did not have it on hand True. >I had no choice but to publicly put this situation on RMR. False. > .. of course this created bad publicity for you, but it was your own > fault. False. > didn't have the balls to tell me that right on RMR itself, huh? Didn't have that much discourtesy for you. >I will NEVER be a paying customer of yours Good. > and that I will sway as many people that I can NOT to buy your products. Thank you for your admission of trade interference. I will use it. Jerry ****************************************** So Jerry first of all drags his feet for nearly half-a-year for a prize that he promised to have available for Save Rocketry Now almost a year ago, now he is THREATENING me because of the poor service HE has given to me. "Trade interference" - if Jerry wants to blame anyone for "trade interference" he only has himself to blame for causing the "inference" of his business. His dragging his feet on doing anything, his lack of communication, and his piss-poor treatment and attitude towards me has lost him at least me as a potential customer and so he has created "trade interference" all for himself. If I desire to pass my experiences with Jerry onto anyone else deciding to buy his products, I have a First Amendment right to express my opinion. If he wants to do anything against me for him creating this whole situation, I have all my e-mails and his responses as documented proof of the situation he created. I don't have to even directly say "Don't buy from Jerry Irvine/US rockets"... everything documented in this online thread speaks volumes of Jerry's character and whether people should deal with his model rocketry company or not. Richard Burney > I don't have to even directly say "Don't buy from Jerry Irvine/US > rockets"... everything documented in this online thread speaks volumes of > Jerry's character and whether people should deal with his model rocketry > company or not. > > Richard Burney No problem, I'll say it: Jerry Irvine, owner of US Rockets, is a demonstrated and obvious crook, (in addition to being a liar and a fraud). By his past history, with many obvious example, anyone who conducts business with him should approach with extreme caution, if at all. Jerry, if you need cites, just say the word... Fred > No problem, I'll say it: Jerry Irvine, owner of US Rockets, is a > demonstrated and obvious crook, (in addition to being a liar and a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fred Fred, If you want, I can post links to Jerry's civil and criminal prosecutions ... Hi Jerry, I notice you have been 'laying low' lately, but as soon as you come back, I have something for you ... my old friend :) People who deal with Jerry, and KNOW his background, are just STUPID! Richard, I am sorry you didn't heed the warnings posted on here over the last 13 years about Jerry Irvine. Matter of fact, Jerry's rip-offs go back almost 30 years. He has stolen money from individuals, buisnesses and organizations. He has sold defective products. He has broken state and federal laws ... the list goes on. We don't HATE Jerry because we are jealous of his personally preceived 'OMNIPITENSE', or his 20+ year old line of 'vapor-ware' kits, that PML easily eclipses in design, quality, and price ratios (as an example). We HATE Jerry because of all the bullshit, lies, and thieving he has done to the tune of over a hundred thousand dollars that I can document so far. So I am sorry for your experience, but you had to learn the HARD WAY as sooooooo many others have in the past and into the future; it won't get any better until the day Jerry dies and then I am sure he will have a fraud based on that! So if you are reading this, and you have taken the time to read back through the archives, and you ignore the obvious and deal with Jerry Irvine, and he screws you ...tough sh.t. You were warned that you were dealing with a cobra and chances are 2:1 that you are going to get bit ... tough, suck the poison out and live with it. Please don't come posting to this group as if the sky is falling ... as one poster here put it, its all FUN so get over it ... right Ted? fuknutzlunorsREMOVE2EMAIL@juno.com wrote: > Richard, ... as one poster here > put it, its all FUN so get over it ... right Ted? A wee bit early to be hitting the bottle...dontcha think? Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > So I am sorry for your experience, but you had to learn the HARD WAY as > sooooooo many others have in the past and into the future; it won't get > any better until the day Jerry dies and then I am sure he will have a > fraud based on that! Yo! Did you actually bother to READ the thread, or are you too busy salivating at the opportunity to jump on jerry? Richard won a prize that was donated by jerry, and had difficulty in collecting. He had to bring it to RMR in order to get any sort of response, and is letting folks know that he A) finally did get his prize and B) got sworn at. -Kevin Yes I read it ... and did you notice Jerry's responce .. f.ck OFF. Now this is a wonderfully FUN way to do business in the MR community right? Jerry can tell his customers to f.ck OFF and the world is a fun place to fly rockets. I hope Jerry screws all of you sucksers ... wait he already has :) And yes, Jerry is a tasty crook ... love taking a bite out of him every chance I can! Its all fun Ted, people getting ripped off ... its all fun! Why don't you place a several hundred dollar order with Jerry, Ted? Put your 'fun' money where your mouth is :) Oh wait, its easy to state crap from the safety of the other side of your monitor screen ... I forgot. if (horse==dead) { do: flog(horse) while (horse==dead) } fucknutz wrote: > Yes I read it ... and did you notice Jerry's responce .. f.ck OFF. Now > this is a wonderfully FUN way to do business in the MR community right? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 'fun' money where your mouth is :) Oh wait, its easy to state crap > from the safety of the other side of your monitor screen ... I forgot. Of course it's not fun for someone to get ripped off. And the only one that's stating crap from the other side of a monitor is you, AND your hiding behind a bs name. btw, lay off the hooch. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 Heh, ok ted ... its all one big happy hobby :) > Heh, ok ted ... its all one big happy hobby :) In the grand scheme of things, *small* happy hobby. Now baseball card collecting, there's a big happy hobby :) Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 All I did was win a prize that he promised to deliver as part of Save Rocketry Now. Instead of delivering said prize or making an offer for a substitute, I ended up sending e-mails back and forth to him for 5 months trying to make him owe up to his commitment. I finally decided to post my situation here in order to force his hand (which it did). Though I am not an active member of this newsgroup, I have followed this newsgroup for about 5 or 6 years. I have seen a lot of the things said about Jerry and have seen the things that he has said. I have also heard a lot of other stories through other sources about his troubles with the law and his frivolous lawsuits which has resulted in the state of California requiring him now to put up $50,000 of his own money in order for him to initiate a lawsuit. With that said, when I had won this kit back at the beginning of September, all I expected was him to have mailed the kit out to me in a few weeks of when the winners were announced and that would be the end of it. I didn't expect to go through the crap I have for 6 months now and now having this guy curse, swear and threaten me. Regardless of his record, I had no reason to believe at the onset of all of this that he was going to pull all this stuff on me. I had no previous dealings with him and I had no personal beef against him. It just blows my mind that this guy is trying to conduct a business with this kind of attitude. How does he expect to maintain current or make new customers? > Richard, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > posting to this group as if the sky is falling ... as one poster here > put it, its all FUN so get over it ... right Ted? . . . > Regardless of his record, I had no reason to believe at the onset of all of > this that he was going to pull all this stuff on me. I had no previous > dealings with him and I had no personal beef against him. It just blows my > mind that this guy is trying to conduct a business with this kind of > attitude. How does he expect to maintain current or make new customers? You got hosed. Most folks got their prizes but it looks like you were the exception. Bummer, for a while there it looked like JI was turning his act around. I still hope he'll pull it off, however unlikely it seems. Heck, if he'd try taking responsibility for his actions once in a while it'd go a long way. Thank you for presenting your experience here patiently and fairly. Your input will influence both my and many others' buying decisions in the future. TK Signature"Not only does nature abhor a vacuum, you ought to see my cat's reaction." I think Jerry gets knocked around enough as it is, there's no point in dragging him through the mud in a public forum, except to be petty and mean. You got a bad shake, for sure, and obviously he lost a potential customer forever. Rehashing it all here doesn't serve any purpose though. JMHO. > Rehashing it all here doesn't serve any purpose though. > > JMHO. Obviously others, at least some, differ in there opinion, humble or not.. (;-) > I think Jerry gets knocked around enough as it is, there's no point > in dragging him through the mud in a public forum, except to be > petty and mean. You got a bad shake, for sure, and obviously he > lost a potential customer forever. Rehashing it all here doesn't > serve any purpose though. Actually, considering that he originally had to come here to get anything of what he had won, it's wholly appropriate to post a follow-up here. 1) It lets folks know that the goods WERE eventually delivered. 2) It lets folks know that rather that take the opportunity to try to resolve a problem, jerry is more interested in swearing at people and threatening them. For those who don't believe it's true, it demonstrates a continued pattern of behavior on the part of jerry. -Kevin |
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