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Model Forum / General / Rockets / March 2006NARAM-48 Website Online
Come join the Superstition Spacemodeling Society in sunny Phoenix this summer for NARAM-48! Running from July 30 to August 4, you'll get to enjoy a spacious flying field, and the "dry" heat (actually, August is Arizona's monsoon season!). To beat the heat, the range will open at 6:30 AM and close by 11:30 AM, leaving the afternoon free for activities. With contest events like F Altitude, Scale, Science Fiction and Future Scale, B Helicopter Duration, B Boost Glide Duration, Random Duration, 1/2A Streamer Duration, B Eggloft Duration, 1/4A Parachute Duration, the Imagination Celebration, and more, it should be a lot of fun. For more details, check out: www.naram.org Hope to see you there! Matt Steele NARAM-48 Contest Director Just curious why there is no flying on saturday ? if I recall naram history thatsd 25% of the entire events flying if not slightly more ?? Many attendees can only come for that initial weekend of sport flying. this combined with the very shortened flying hours would appear to greatly reduce the flying oppurtunities (and therby picture shots :-) hehe available at naram ?? 2442 miles wow my longest trip yet :-) even this far with an estimated cost of $700 in gasoline roundtrip its still cheaper than flying ! :-) Chris Taylor http://www.naramlive.com/ Also what is a Silent Auction ? (with the manufacturer's forum) One other thing although this flying schedule it going to make the picture taking really interesting (rush rush rush) It does have an advantage since you ALSO moved the activities back to earlier hours :-) I should not need to stay up till 2am doing the site :-) yippee :-) Chris Taylor http://www.naramlive.com/ > Also what is a Silent Auction ? (with the manufacturer's forum) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Chris Taylor > http://www.naramlive.com/ A silent auction is one where bidders submit written bids. The current high bid is posted, and bidders can decide if they want to increase their own bid. The auction usually lasts several hours. If you want the NARAM sport launch to be extended to Saturday, e-mail the organizer (Matt Steele) and let him know. > 2442 miles wow my longest trip yet :-) even this far with an estimated > cost of $700 in gasoline roundtrip its still cheaper than flying ! :-) > > Chris Taylor > http://www.naramlive.com/ 2442 miles is one-way, isn't it? Even if it is, you need to save some bucks up for a new ride. That's a heck of a drive in something that can't even manage 20 MPG. On the bright side, you'll get to stretch your legs pretty frequently. TK  Signature"Not only does nature abhor a vacuum, you ought to see my cat's reaction." Is this the field entrance ? drop these into google maps 33.232442,-112.401102 that road entrance like spot is 2.5miles from the turn as listed. is the white odd shaped space north of that entrance the launch site ? as for my ride. that IS my new ride :-) hehe 92 Ford Club Wagon. WOW is it nice ! I can finally site straight up while driving without my head touching the ceiling and my legs are straight bend like sitting in a chair (I have longish legs) TONS of space and cargo room ! its perfect for trips. I plan to get an 80's diesel mercedes or VW for my daily driving once I pay this off (in a month or so) since that will get 40mpg and I can tinker around with biodiesel. but for trips I want space room and comfort and this has that in droves ! I get 15mpg average highway strict highway I am hoping for 17mpg if I can get 17 I will be quite happy. round trip just to hotel and back is 4884 miles so figure 4900 with misc stops etc.. then around town is going to be at least 80miles a day OUCH :-) so figure 500 miles for the week so 5400 miles 5500 for reserve consideration. since the field is off I10 and so is the hotel I bet I will get my average highway of 15mpg for that. so to be safe figure 16mpg for the whole trip. 35 gallon tank so 560miles per tank (I bet I will get 600 but lets assume not) so 10 tanks of gas and it will already be full when I leave so thats a 500mile reserve. 350 gallons of gas assume $2.50 just in case a gallon $875 in gas (if I get 17 will be under $800) $700 if its $2 a gallon :-) I hope it is as it would be nice to have an extra $175 to spend with vendors :-) its higher now because I was estimating 100-150 miles of driving DURING Naram not the 500 it looks like I am going to be doing in reality with a field 40 miles from the hotel. Stopping every 500-600 miles is not a bad thing. helps keep me awake ! I can usually manage 1000-1200 miles my first leg but after that I can usually only manage 6-8 hours before I am just too tired each leg and have to stop and sleep (driving alone) so 4 tanks of gas each way plus 2 at naram. (35 gallon tank) I am figuring 3 days to get out there 4 days to get back (I am burnt by the time its time to come home and can never manage the same hours as going out) alas Oshkosh is just out of the question this year. just adds too many miles. Airfare is $360 Minivan Rental or small SUV is almost $800 plus shipping if I can not squeeze all my gear including 2 tents onto my check in luggage. so it would cost me $1200 PLUS to fly out :-( because of the insanely long drive I was giving serious consideration to flying but its just soo expensive. even if I tried to fit everything into an econo car its still $600 for the week Plus 2 tanks of gas for the rental minimum ! if I can get the total for airfare and car rental below $600 I might seriously consider flying out instead. I just have to see how much it would cost to bring or ship my 2 tents and 2 tables minimum If I can find a COOLER big enough to put my tents INSIDE that would be nice then I can use the cooler as the shipping container for the tents. I imagine it would cost around $200 round trip to ship this stuff almost cheaper to just buy 2 tents there at $90 a pop This is going to be a very expensive Naram and I hope to have a new Camera for this Naram so I can nab better pictures. I am just bumping into too many limits with my current camera not enough zoom not enough megapixels. I am hoping the new 10mp Canon SLR comes out before then and is relatively affordable like the 20D is ! the 20D is what I was going to get but now I will hold out and see what the 35D is like. I am hoping to make it easier by finding interesting places to visit on the way home etc.. I plan to stop in ohio for the airforce museum again since I will be passing close to it etc.. Chris Taylor http://www.naramlive.com/ > Is this the field entrance ? drop these into google maps > > 33.232442,-112.401102 > > that road entrance like spot is 2.5miles from the turn as listed. is > the white odd shaped space north of that entrance the launch site ? That's the entrance, and the launch site. > Is this the field entrance ? drop these into google maps > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ! I get 15mpg average highway strict highway I am hoping for 17mpg if I > can get 17 I will be quite happy. Kewl, the numbers make sense now. Have a nice drive; I wish I could be there but I'll be living it second-hand by way of your photos. Go for the VW diesel, and if you can, aim for the late '90s or early 'naughts. The difference in technology is astounding. I saved my pennies for quite a while and have this year's Jetta TDI. For pure MPG, I'd have been better served by getting an '04 or '05 at 50+MPG. Nothing wrong with the 44+/- I get on gentle highway day in Benny though. Even at $3.00/g, 5K would run less than $300 for fuel but there's only room for four tightly-packed bodies in the trunk. . . more's the pity. TK Signature"Not only does nature abhor a vacuum, you ought to see my cat's reaction." > Airfare is $360 Minivan Rental or small SUV is almost $800 plus > shipping if I can not squeeze all my gear including 2 tents onto my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > rental minimum ! if I can get the total for airfare and car rental > below $600 I might seriously consider flying out instead. I'll bet if you shop around you'll get it under $600. If you wait a little closer to July you should be able to get Southwest internet specials of $99 one way. And do you really need to rent a minivan? I'm looking at Payless rent a car at Phoenix right now, midsize sedan for 8 days is $282, full size $328. Still don't know if I can afford it though! Dale Greene SPAAR 503 The problem is I take a lot of gear with me to and from the field daily. Example I always have at least 2 EZ UP tents. these are mandatory not luxuries. I have extreme (And I dont use that word lightly) issues with sunburn. I have permanent scarring on my legs from sunburn and I was wearing spf45 at the time of the burn ! Cancer is a serious concern of mine because of how easily I burn thats is why you have never seen me in shorts at naram outside. I just cant take the chance :-( I did not see any prices that cheap even close !! even the sedans were $500 ! I will have to check on that again. I will be amazed if the prices changed soo much since I checked ! I will definately be keeping an eye on my options and figure out what works best. Chris Taylor http://www.nerys.com/ > Just curious why there is no flying on saturday ? if I recall naram > history thatsd 25% of the entire events flying if not slightly more ?? > Many attendees can only come for that initial weekend of sport flying. That is odd - I was considering coming out for just the weekend - I'll have to rethink that. Dale Greene SPAAR 503 > 2442 miles wow my longest trip yet :-) even this far with an estimated > cost of $700 in gasoline roundtrip its still cheaper than flying ! :-) I see air fares for $259 PHL to PHX. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org I'm not afraid of terrorists. I am terrorized by airport security. _george the prices seem very volatile ... I am going to have to keep an eye on it. hmm just found airfare for $251 but teh car rental is weird it says Weekly rate $199 but shows $991 for the total ? what the hell ? thats a 5 weeks ??? I dont get it going to try each rental place seperately. I think you missing things how are you getting those prices for car rental. enterprise wants 2 Days @ Daily $40.00 $80.00 1 Week @ Weekly $199.00 $199.00 CUSTOMER FACILITY CHARGE $40.50 Subtotal $319.50 AIRPORT ACCESS FEE $31.00 VEHICLE LICENSE SURCHARGE $15.50 STADIUM SURCHARGE $9.07 SALES TAX $31.31 *Total Estimated Charges $406.38 Boy they sure know how to "tac it on" with the extra's !! ouch and likely does not include any insurance ! Chris Taylor http://www.nerys.com/ > Boy they sure know how to "tac it on" with the extra's !! ouch and > likely does not include any insurance ! No it doesn't - insurance is extra - BUT check with your insurance agent, most car policies include some coverage of rental cars Dale Greene Don't those Budget moving vans only go for $20 a day? Bet that would serve to move all your gear everyday, affordably. > the prices seem very volatile ... I am going to have to keep an eye on > it. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Boy they sure know how to "tac it on" with the extra's !! ouch and > likely does not include any insurance ! Most municipal airports really tack on the fees to rental cars. The discount companies are usually off-site to escape the fees. This can save you several hundred dollars. In the case you post above, everything but the sales tax might vanish, and the sales tax would probably be half. That would make a weeks rental around $215 instead of $406. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to Babel," stardate 3842.3 when in doubt rent-a-wreck shockie B) >> the prices seem very volatile ... I am going to have to keep an eye on >> it. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > might vanish, and the sales tax would probably be half. That would make a > weeks rental around $215 instead of $406. We are not going to fly on Saturday, as the session would be limited from 6:30 AM until 11:30 AM. I don't forsee that many people showing up on Friday to take advantage of the flying session. It will be too hot to fly later than that on Saturday. Matt So, what you're saying, is that for all of NARAM, it will be too hot to fly in the afternoons..... (the weather is the same on days other than Saturday!) Will there be non launch site activities to fill in the afternoons when, by your own words, "it's too hot to fly"? > We are not going to fly on Saturday, as the session would be limited > from 6:30 AM until 11:30 AM. I don't forsee that many people showing > up on Friday to take advantage of the flying session. It will be too > hot to fly later than that on Saturday. > > Matt Yes, we are planning to shut the range down at 11:45 AM on all days of NARAM, Sunday through Friday. It will be too hot, and will help us miss the possible dust storm/rain that the monsoon season brings. Check out the website (www.naram.org) for the proposed schedule and listing of afternoon activities. Matt but if your gonna fly 0630-1130 sunday why not 0630-1130 saturday as well ? do you really think that small a number of people will fly ? Chris Taylor http://www.naramlive.com/ > but if your gonna fly 0630-1130 sunday why not 0630-1130 saturday as > well ? do you really think that small a number of people will fly ? Over the past decade or so, there's been more participation on the weekend sport launch than for the contest. Some folks come in just for the weekend. With only one day of sport flying instead of two, they won't come to NARAM-48. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! Normally I would agree with you bob but this year is further complicated. in the past mamy flyers would show up at the field during a time span where this year we will be closing down. that will make things interesting ! Does it really get THAT hot there ? this means getting up at the absolute latest 0500 every morning since its a 40+ minute ride just to get to the field if you want to be there by 0630 and with only 5 flying hours you need to be there early. Its gonna be rush rush rush to get enough pictures thats for sure ! :-) Chris Taylor http://www.naramlive.com/ it might at least be nice for sat/sun to make the "end time" a tiny bit more "open ended" so if its not too hot at 1130 keep going another thirty minutes. repeat till it starts to get too hot and then close up shop - keep the preplanned times for the weekdays. just a thought ??? Chris Taylor http://www.naramlive.com/ Generally, it starts to get "too hot" about 10 AM. We had discussed shut things down at 10:30 AM, and you can see we extended that time for another hour. You won't see many people outside working after that time here in the summer. And, this is for people who live here - it will be much harder on those not used to the heat. So, the plan is to fly as much as we can while it is comfortable, and then get out of the sun. Keep in mind we have no Daylight Savings time (we don't want to save daylight!), so the sun comes up early on your watch compared to places with DST. This will also be hotter than the Las Vegas NARAM (300 miles further north) and the Tucson NARAM (2000+ ft higher in altitude than Rainbow Valley). It will be hot, and you will not want to linger in the heat. I started going to NARAMs 30 years ago, and I've lived in Arizona for a number of years. This is the best plan of attack for people to enjoy their time at NARAM-48. Matt Say, what's with the $118 per night for the hotel? I just went to their web site, and can get a room for the week of NARAM-48 for $99 "best rate" or $89 with my AARP card. My guess is that AAA is the same rate as AARP, but don't have one of those. The Ramada last year played this game with us too. Those who booked on the net paid $20 less than the NARAM-47 rate. Except when I tried to do it, the web site was broke, jsut like everything else at the Ram-it-inn. What's up? SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! > Say, what's with the $118 per night for the hotel? I just went to their web > site, and can get a room for the week of NARAM-48 for $99 "best rate" or $89 > with my AARP card. My guess is that AAA is the same rate as AARP, but > don't have one of those. Never mind! matt has clarified that the wording on the web site was misleading. The SUITES are $119. The regular rooms are $80. THe web site is being updated to indicate that. So now I have to call back and cancel & rebook at an even lower rate. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! > Never mind! matt has clarified that the wording on the web site was > misleading. The SUITES are $119. The regular rooms are $80. THe web site is > being updated to indicate that. So now I have to call back and cancel & > rebook at an even lower rate. I called the Goodyear Hampton this morning, gave them my internet confirmation number, and they changed my rate from the $89 AARP rate to the lower $80 NARAM rate. Took less than 2 minutes on the phone. The web site still hasn't been updated, but I'm sure Matt will get that clarified soon. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! BTW, I checked sunrise/sunset times on my PDA planetarium program. For the Phoenix area, middle of NARAM week, twilight is at 5:14am, sunrise at 5:42, sunset at 19:27, and dusk at 19:54. So it looks like the most we could move the start time up would be to 6am. It WILL be HOT once the sun gets up. Ad I'll kill the first person who says ... SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! It's a dry heat. Bababooie Signature-Fred Shecter remove zorch two places to reply Current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshreadvector Join the Revolution: http://www.sirius.com > BTW, I checked sunrise/sunset times on my PDA planetarium program. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > says > ... Ah, but that's where the joke kicks in... August is one of our monsoon months, and the humidity is up! It's not Houston, Washing DC or Columbus Ohio humidity levels, but it is higher than the rest of the year here. Above 105 - 107, it is just plain hot. Period. Matt > It's a dry heat. You're a dead man Fred... SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! You haven't lived until your car battery explodes from the heat. I think this usually happens when you hit the starter and the massive amperage flow starts. Makes quite a mess. Keep a box of baking soda on hand to neutralize the acid Signature-Fred Shecter remove zorch two places to reply Current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshreadvector Join the Revolution: http://www.sirius.com >> It's a dry heat. > > You're a dead man Fred... >You haven't lived until your car battery explodes from the heat. I think >this usually happens when you hit the starter and the massive amperage flow >starts. Makes quite a mess. Keep a box of baking soda on hand to neutralize >the acid > > You haven't lived until you've had it explode in your face (luckily, I had a sink a few steps away...). David Erbas-White I remember reading of a planet that was found a few months back. It was said to be somewhat earth sized, but a little too close to it's star to be a vacation spot. It was described as having a liquid nickel rain....and someone said "...but its a dry heat..." I live in "middle america" where we get some 100 degree days and better than 80% humidity. I don't care how dry it is, 100+ degrees is hot. -Aaron The website is now updated. Glad to hear that it was no problem getting the reservation changed. It is important that we capture all the NARAM attendees at the NARAM rate, as the discount of the meeting rooms is tied to the number of people we bring in. Matt > The website is now updated. Glad to hear that it was no problem getting > the reservation changed. It is important that we capture all the NARAM > attendees at the NARAM rate, as the discount of the meeting rooms is > tied to the number of people we bring in. MUCH better now. Thanks. Say, I jsut had another question: what time do they start serving the free breakfast every morning. If we're going to start flying at 6:30am, we're going to need breakfast at 5:00-5:30. I doubt they normally start that early. Can you see if they can start earlier the week we're there? Other than 24x7 restaurants, I doubt many other places will be open for breakfast that early in the morning either. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! > Keep in mind we have no Daylight Savings time (we don't want to save > daylight!), That may make sense when you are young, you will regret it when you get old. All too soon you Arizonians (Arizoners?) will be in the twilight of your lives while the rest of us will be basking in all the daylight we saved over the years! Dale Greene SPAAR 503 > > Keep in mind we have no Daylight Savings time (we don't want to save > > daylight!), > > That may make sense when you are young, you will regret it when you get > old. He IS old. > All too soon you Arizonians (Arizoners?) will be in the twilight > of your lives while the rest of us will be basking in all the daylight > we saved over the years! > > Dale Greene > SPAAR 503 SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com > Generally, it starts to get "too hot" about 10 AM. We had discussed > shut things down at 10:30 AM, and you can see we extended that time for [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Matt With all due respect (ceserved or not) having a NARAM in AZ or TX in August is insanity. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com "Nerys" <nerys71@gmail.com> wrote in news:1140669513.026338.222710 @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com: > Normally I would agree with you bob but this year is further > complicated. in the past mamy flyers would show up at the field during [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Chris Taylor > http://www.naramlive.com/ It does indeed get THAT hot. Read the section in the NARAM web site about weather and survival (http://www.sssrocketry.org/naram/survival.htm). Sunscreen, lots of water, and a wide-brimmed hat will be necessities. If you want to extend sport flying to two days, e-mail the NARAM contest director. > Normally I would agree with you bob but this year is further > complicated. in the past mamy flyers would show up at the field during > a time span where this year we will be closing down. that will make > things interesting ! The time change isn't an issue. Just think of NARAM-48 as running on Eastern time (like home for you) instead of Pacific time. BTW, we did the same schedule change at the other two desert NARAMs, in Vegas and Tucson. In Vegas it really was a non-issue, since time is meaningless in that town and everything is 24x7. Getting breakfast in Phoenix at 5am may be an issue. > Does it really get THAT hot there ? this means getting up at the > absolute latest 0500 every morning since its a 40+ minute ride just to > get to the field if you want to be there by 0630 and with only 5 flying Yes, it does! I'm not at all worried about the time shift as much as I am with the 5 hour window to fly. Since there will be less participation in west coast NARAMs, I'm assuming 3 shifts instead of 4. So each contestant will serve 1:40 range duty each day, and have 3:20 to make their flights. THAT will be tight. Especially for those of us who have to assist an A Divisioner. > Its gonna be rush rush rush to get enough pictures thats for sure ! :-) No rush at all if you think of it as EDT instead of PDT. Since people know it's going to be an early schedule all week, there's no reason that I see for NOT having launch on Saturday. I expect to arrive in town early anyway, and would really like the extra day to fly. I've got friends that might like to wander out Saturday that might not be available Sunday morning or during the work week. We're probably taking a 3 week driving vacation, and have family and friends to visit in the Phoenix area any way. We'll just be looking for a cheaper hotel for the non-NARAM part of the stay! Or a better rate for the whole stay at the NARAM hotel, which looks like it's raising its rates for NARAM-48. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! I hear there are some nice Ramada's out that way if you don't mind a little remodeling dust, Bob. > I hear there are some nice Ramada's out that way if you don't mind a > little remodeling dust, Bob. OK, what did I ever do to YOU? SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! > > I hear there are some nice Ramada's out that way if you don't mind a > > little remodeling dust, Bob. > > OK, what did I ever do to YOU? Posted to rmr and opened up yourself to sh.t? SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com >>>I hear there are some nice Ramada's out that way if you don't mind a >>>little remodeling dust, Bob. >> >>OK, what did I ever do to YOU? > > Posted to rmr and opened up yourself to sh.t? Don't be so hard on yourself, jerry. > > > I hear there are some nice Ramada's out that way if you don't mind a > > > little remodeling dust, Bob. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jerry Irvine Most of the s^&t you received on RMR is a result of your activities off RMR. Most rocketeers, when they understand the scope of your body of work, find little else to do but give you s^%t. As you are so found of saying, "no good deed goes unpunished". Unfortunately for you, most folks on RMR define good deeds 180 degrees different than you demonstrated, in at least your past activities. Nothing, I just know of your love for fine lodging. ;-) Well no the concern for rush rush rush is the 5 hours flying time. this is a far "shorter" overall flying day than other narams which means I will ahve to really move it to get the same quantity of pictures and to get the good pictures since likely the flying will condense IE more flights more often so more running around :-) hehe Chris Taylor http://www.naramlive.com/ |
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