Model Forum / General / Rockets / March 2006

All that the above posting show is the ignorance of its poster of the
principles of astronautics. The factors that are important are:

1. Total Delta-V. This is sum (1-n)[Gc*Isp(n)*Ln(M0/Mf)(n)]

2. Total payload delivered to various points.

If you don't understand the above, you have no business posting on this
subject.

Daniel Joseph Min,
I'm in sufficient agreement in principle with what you have to offer,
as being a whole lot closer to the truth than not.  The supposed GOOGLE
moon landing images are an absolute pathetic joke, especially after the
far superior Clementine and Lunar Prospector images turned up
absolutely nothing.  Not even the original 10X telephoto images as
supposedly obtained from 100 km as having been recorded via the very
best of optics and upon a perfectly good format of Kodak film that's
offering terrific resolution, oddly having shared absolutely nothing
after having orbited dozens of times directly over each of their
supposed landing sites, whereas Clementine and Lunar Prospector got
even closer and better resolution images of absolutely terrific digital
frams that equally provided zilch.

Now that we've got 1.75 micron or smaller CCD pixel density, along with
another 10X optical CCD viewing magnification factor, the likes of KECK
has become officially taboo, as in off-limits to allowing that
instrument to be looking at our moon.  Actually it's entirely possible
to derive a 100X optical magnification factor in addition to the very
best raw resolution that KECK currently reports, thus obviously they
can't be permitted to be looking at our moon with such a degree of
improved image resolution, much less sharing such images with the
public.

However, our moon isn't technically beyond what robotics as having been
placed in orbit could have managed to have obtained their images, many
of which are extremely detailed via enough resolution to matter.  As
far as manned orbital missions about our moon, I still haven't
identified the necessary rocket-science and much less the hard
scientific proof that such has been accomplished, although a manned
orbital task seems somewhat testy though perhaps within limitations of
having much less deployed mass being doable within the limited
technology of the late 60's.  However, of getting instruments safely
deployed onto the moon still isn't a sure bet.

On one face these all-knowing Usenet folks talk as though they know
absolutely all there is to know, with their second face being one of
offering a total lack of viable knowledge (aka naysay/dumbfounded), and
then a third face being one of where they are pretending at being
patriotic and/or religious.  Of course there's a fourth face of the
very same Usenet individual that keeps telling the likes of myself that
no one important ever bothers to read anything or otherwise interprets
information as extracted out of Usenet.  Yet these all-knowing Usenet
folks of four or more faces keep introducing and discussing topics as
though they are speaking above God or to their pagan warlords, in such
a manner that is undeniably telling us village idiots that Usenet is
actually being read by many that never contribute squat upon their own
behalf, but they do in fact read the important comments.

Besides all of that, it seems that in addition to their having four or
more faces, most Usenet contributors (especially of those stalking and
bashing topics and authors) are not at all whom they claim to be.  It's
as though being a certified liar from the very get-go is all that
really matters in addition to their being pro status quo, meaning
pro-war, pro-global expansion and usage of everything in sight, and
otherwise anti-environmental as well as anti-truth as you can get.
Thus without exception, of those accomplishing the most topic/author
stalking and bashing are as anti-ET and anti-intelligent design and
thus anti-truth as you can possible get, especially if it's related to
anything that close to home.

Thus we're being told that we have the unlimited time, talents and
resources for having a look-see at Mercury, Pluto or any other planet
or moon as long as these are farther away than humanity can possibly
accomplish anything, no matters what's discovered.

Oddly, our own moon is taboo/nondisclosure, and especially the
LL-1/ME-L1 (aka mutual gravity-well) zone is as off-limits as it gets.
My having discovering that something that was at least once upon a time
alive and intelligently responsible for having created significant
structures plus rational infrastructure upon Venus is totally banished.
Yet the perpetrated cold-war that has cost humanity countless lives,
taken decades upon decades of wasted time, talents and resources to the
tune of trillions upon trillions is perfectly fine and dandy, as is the
physics and science disinformation and lies contributed by all that's
NASA/Apollo are above God and of all that's worthy of being worshiped.

The harsh naked surface of our moon isn't nearly as moonsuit friendly
as we've been informed, and it takes a whole lot more than a Saturn-V
for getting that sort of tonnage so expeditiously into orbiting our
moon.  We simply haven't the fly-by-rocket expertise, nor have we
currently the degree of applied technology by which to humanly explore
the surface of our own moon, yet we're being told otherwise, just like
we've been told otherwise as to so many things our government has been
involved with that just are not so.

There's so much pretentious arrogance within Usenet, so much so that
they're into a collective bigotry and od such lies upon lies that we
can't even save ourselves from our own artificially induced wrath of
mother nature, much less from those we've provoked into being angry
Islamic types that have a notion that they've been lied to once and
thousand times too often.  It seems that our naysayism isn't per say
into sharing squat of anything that matters, especially if that gives a
gram of an advantage to those we're trying to moderate into an early
grave.  We're into the taking of what's not ours and/or of otherwise
controlling of it's global distribution so that only the most rich and
most powerful remain encharge of the global energy based economy.  It's
all about the money and the power that's orchestrated as to further
insuring that the money keeps arriving into the offshore banking
accounts of those opposing the truth.  It's that simple, folks.

Besides having a perfectly good picture and the regular laws of physics
plus numerous hard-science by many that supports as to what the picture
of what's situated upon Venus has to show, what more proof you need?

I've certainly got tonnes more proof-positive than all of what our
resident warlord(GW Bush) and of his brown-nosed minions had with
regards to WMD, plus an ongoing fiasco that stemmed directly from his
having created 911 in the first place, that has cost our world tens of
thousands of mostly innocent lives, plus costing thousands of our own
kind, not to mention the collateral damage and global impact that has
cost us and of humanity trillions upon trillions, plus having taken the
some of the best talents and resources away from the realms of science,
and thereby away from having explored and capitalized upon our own moon
and of the LL-1/ME-L1 zone, much less having experienced any other
nearby planet and of a few other moons.  In other words, these Usenet
folks that are encharge of keeping the status quo are by far the worse
possible forms of Third Reich bigots and otherwise sadistic and
perverted souls upon Earth.

Topic/author banishment and of all the incoming Usenet flak plus loads
of having received their malware/fuckware that's trying to block and/or
terminate my PC is simply further proof-positive that my lose cannons
are still sufficiently right on target.
-
Brad Guth

Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

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For smeone as incomprehensibly stupid as Daniel Joseph Min, he seems to
rely on science to disprove science.  Then again, for someone as
backward as Daniel Joseph Min, it's remarkable he can and will use
something as technologically advanced as a computer.

Today, Vice President Cheney shot another man while hunting.  To my
recollection, the last standing Vice President to shoot another man was,
that other much beloved american, Aaron Burr.

One must usually go to a bowling alley to meet a person of your
stature.

Missed the med cart again, did ya?

People in psychiatric group homes should not be allowed access to a PC.

Too bad we still haven't walked on the moon.

Unfortunately for science, our environment and of the mostly pagan
humanity sequestered upon this sorry sucker, the truth is out there and
it's a whole lot closer to home than Mars or Mercury.  This following
context is what I've contributed to the latest MESSENGER fiasco that
continues to support the matter of a fact that our perpetrated cold-war
and of it's ruse/sting that's related to the NASA/Apollo fiasco is
still enforced by those MIB, thereby going every bit as strong as ever.

baa,
That's rather odd.  There's absolutely zero interest in this spendy
mission.
"MESSENGER Lines Up for Venus Flyby"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/930b23847b3a1483/1245
24745fd9887e?lnk=st&q=messenger+mercury+nasa&rnum=3&hl=en#124524745fd9887e
Perhaps that's because both of it's CCD cameras are broken, as in
having worse off DR than common film.

Too bad that it's of no use for Earth-science, of having been of no use
for moon-science, and obviously worthless for anything of
Venus-science.  Just for getting better science and terrific images of
reestablishing much of what we already know about Mercury.

It seems their fancy dancy CCDs (of the very best our moneys could buy
at the time) along with those more so spendy and subsequently terrific
optics w/optional spectrum filters for one of the two cameras are
actually not very good at all.  After all folks, from an ideal vantage
point of being fully capable of having imaged Earth along with our moon
as recorded within the same frame, or even of having provided
individual frames using the exact same camera, lens and exposure that
any two-bit PhotoShop could combined into a true to life side by side
look-see, it seems that of whatever fell below the worth of 10% albedo
simply didn't record hardly at all, yet above that threshold it seemed
perfectly fine and dandy.  In fact, of individual pixels exceeding much
greater than 75% albedo (such as Venus) seemed to have also been
diminished if not also missing in action.  I'd have to say, that's
offering pretty crapy dynamic range.

Therefore, we have thus far obtained those terrific pastel images of
mother Earth, that which a good dosage of PhotoShop can greatly improve
upon the information, but we're pretty much stuck whatever the limited
DR worth of information that we had to start with.

Apparently the typically dark brownish and in places somewhat deep
bluish elements of moon that's somewhat basalt dark and nasty as
perhaps a chunk of carbon/soot covered coal might tend to look, whereas
such the level of 7.5% albedo simply wasn't even there to behold.

Hopefully by the time our spendy MESSENGER gets into orbiting Mercury,
that somehow those defective CCD cameras and of their poorly performing
optics will have been magically corrected.
-
Brad Guth

Sorry to say that besides our Apollo ruse being exactly what it is,
NASA's MESSENGER is what's also not feeling so hot.  Too bad we still
haven't walked upon our dusty, coal like dark and absolutely nasty (aka
reactive) moon, but at least supposedly we did win our side of the
mutually perpetrated cold-war, although it seems that now it's their
MESSENGER mission that hasn't been all that much better off.

Long before now, an astronomy platform of merely the VLA/SAR aperature
of the image receiving portion as associated with such, if having been
deployed upon our moon or even within the LL-1 zone would have
outperformed MESSENGER, and having accomplished that task of radar
imaging as of a decade ago for less than a cent on the dollar.  Even
telescopic CCD imaging of having the secondary mirror situated 384,000
km away would have technically represented nearly 2e6 thousand fold
improvement over KECK (most conservatively offering at least a 1e3
improvement).

Christ almighty on another stick;  Folks, we haven't even mastered
LL-1, as well as we haven't so much as a clue as to the hard-science of
raw ice coexisting in space, our own moon is topic taboo/nondisclosure
and the likes of Venus seems hardly to even exist.  I wonder what the
actual naysay problem is?

Unfortunately for science, our environment and of the mostly pagan
(anti intelligent design) humanity that's sequestered upon this sorry
sucker, the truth remains as banished somewhere way out there.
However, I do believe that a good enough portion of the holy grail is
actually located a whole lot closer to home, and as such less than a
dime per dollar compared to the likes of Mars, Mercury or especially of
Pluto.  This following context is what I've contributed to the latest
MESSENGER fiasco that continues to support the matter of a fact that
our mutually perpetrated cold-war(s) and of it's ongoing ruse/sting
that's related to our NASA/Apollo fiasco is still enforced by those
MIB, thereby going along every bit as strong as ever (somewhat like our
resident warlord going after all of those WMD, and of our resident
moron 2nd in command shooting off the face of whomever gets in his
way).

baa (aka British Astronomical Association
<http://www.britastro.org/baa/>),
That's rather odd.  There's still absolutely zero interest in this
spendy mission.
"MESSENGER Lines Up for Venus Flyby"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/930b23847b3a1483/1245
24745fd9887e?lnk=st&q=messenger+mercury+nasa&rnum=3&hl=en#124524745fd9887e
Perhaps that's because both of it's CCD cameras are broken, as in
having worse off DR than common film.

Too bad that it's of no use for Earth-science, of having been of no use
for moon-science, and obviously worthless for anything of
Venus-science.  Just for getting better science and terrific images of
reestablishing much of what we already know about Mercury.

It seems their fancy dancy CCDs (of the very best our moneys could buy
at the time) along with those more so spendy and subsequently terrific
optics w/optional spectrum filters for one of the two cameras are
actually not very good at all.  After all folks, from an ideal vantage
point of being fully capable of having imaged Earth along with our moon
as recorded within the same frame, or even of having provided
individual frames using the exact same camera, lens and exposure that
any two-bit PhotoShop could combined into a true to life side by side
look-see, it seems that of whatever fell below the worth of 10% albedo
simply didn't record hardly at all, yet above that threshold it seemed
perfectly fine and dandy.  In fact, of individual pixels exceeding much
greater than 75% albedo (such as Venus) seemed to have also been
diminished if not also missing in action.  I'd have to say, that's
offering pretty crapy dynamic range.

Therefore, we have thus far obtained those terrific pastel images of
mother Earth, that which a good dosage of PhotoShop can greatly improve
upon the information, but we're pretty much stuck whatever the limited
DR worth of information that we had to start with.

Apparently the typically dark brownish and in places somewhat deep
bluish elements of moon that's somewhat basalt dark and nasty as
perhaps a chunk of carbon/soot covered coal might tend to look, whereas
such the level of 7.5% albedo simply wasn't even there to behold.

Hopefully by the time our spendy MESSENGER gets itself into orbiting
Mercury, that somehow those defective CCD cameras and of their poorly
performing optics that simply couldn't manage to image our big-a.s moon
within the full dynamic range that should have knocked our socks off,
as such will have become magically corrected.
-
Brad Guth