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Model Forum / General / Rockets / February 2006Age restrictions to fly hobby line RMS motors?
What are the age restrictions (how old do you have to be) to assemble and fly hobby line RMS motors (18mm, 24mm or 29/120mm) up to G impluse? I understand High Power certification requirements, but can someone under 18 purchase, assemble and fly hobby line RMS motors? > What are the age restrictions (how old do you have to be) to assemble > and fly hobby line RMS motors (18mm, 24mm or 29/120mm) up to G > impluse? I understand High Power certification requirements, but can > someone under 18 purchase, assemble and fly hobby line RMS motors? Hi Bruce, RMS motors need to be purchased by those 18 or older. the CPSC has rules on that. If you are underage, your parents can purchase and supervise you. This has always puzzled me. I agree completely that you may not purchase the motor if you're under 18. But take a look at http://tinyurl.com/ajh2f for example. The other stricture is "keep out of the reach of children." I don't know what that means in a legal sense. Does it mean "don't let kids get at this accidentally"? Or does it mean "kids can't touch under any circumstances"? Makes me glad I never went to law school! 8) >>What are the age restrictions (how old do you have to be) to assemble >>and fly hobby line RMS motors (18mm, 24mm or 29/120mm) up to G [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > If you are underage, your parents can purchase and supervise you.  SignatureWill Marchant, NAR 13356, Tripoli 10125 L3 kc6rol@amsat.org http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/will/ > Hi Bruce, RMS motors need to be purchased by those 18 or older. > > the CPSC has rules on that. > > If you are underage, your parents can purchase and supervise you. I am a senior NAR member with High Power Level 2 certification. I am trying to understand the "law" and the "rules" since we have several under 18 members in our local club that want to fly hobby line RMS motors. So, they can't purchase the motors but they can assemble and fly with adult supervision? Does it have to be a parent or legal guardian? Think about any other item that has an age restriction to purchase, but not "use". Children cannot go and get their own prescriptions filled, but they have prescriptions written for them and handed to their parents or legal guardians. obviously the children will "touch: the prescription medicine, but they generally do not carry the bottle of medicine around with them. Obvious exceptions include asthma inhalers, but for those emergency injections, they are in the possession of school teachers or nurses. Booze is illegal for children to use - period. Very different from the RMS regulations which only apply to purchasing and safeguarding. -Fred Shecter NAR 20117 Signature"""Remove "zorch" from address (2 places) to reply. http://www.sirius.com/ >> Hi Bruce, RMS motors need to be purchased by those 18 or older. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So, they can't purchase the motors but they can assemble and fly with adult supervision? > Does it have to be a parent or legal guardian? bruce: I personally allow minors to assemble,use,prep,etc under direct adult supervision on site. This person may not be the parent or legal guardian. We do require written or verbal prior approval from parents or legal guardians for the minor in question to use, assemble,prep,etc As long as there is direct adult supervision in the chain I don't see a problem. shockie B) >> Hi Bruce, RMS motors need to be purchased by those 18 or older. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So, they can't purchase the motors but they can assemble and fly with > adult supervision? Does it have to be a parent or legal guardian? > > Hi Bruce, RMS motors need to be purchased by those 18 or older. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So, they can't purchase the motors but they can assemble and fly with adult > supervision? Does it have to be a parent or legal guardian? No. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com Where you been? We missed you the past couple weeks :-) Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! > Where you been? We missed you the past couple weeks :-) I was told that if only I would stop posting, the content level on rmr would improve dramatically. They were all wrong. It actually got worse. Jerry > Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! > <<< > Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf > www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org > > S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! "S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver!" Yep. SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com > > Where you been? We missed you the past couple weeks :-) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jerry Then why did you come back?? Are you planning a relapse?? (:-) > I was told that if only I would stop posting, the content level on rmr > would improve dramatically. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jerry I disagree, Jerry. Of the 274 topics posted to during your blessed absence (incarceration), only 22 have had inane bullshit inflammatory crap spewed at them (Brad Guth). When you were actively posting, 99% percent of the threads on rmr were be-spoiled by your vile hatred of everything "not Jerry" and other successful ventures, companies, businesses, people, organizations and affiliations. stve "hey! who stole my e! I bet it was jerry" blom Intellectual Usenet incest is pretty much their mainstream status quo of what sucks and blows the most about these cloned news groups that have demonstrated not a stitch of remorse. Their evidence exclusions and otherwise naysayism is absolutely promo. - Brad Guth Brad, I lost the little tube of grease that's used to lube the O-rings in my F24-4 RMS reload kit. What do you recommend as a substitute? > Brad, I lost the little tube of grease that's used to > lube the O-rings in my F24-4 RMS reload kit. > > What do you recommend as a substitute? Probably just his tub of KY lube.... Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >> Brad, I lost the little tube of grease that's used to >> lube the O-rings in my F24-4 RMS reload kit. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > TRA#5512 > IEAS#75 Stop it! You're making brad excited, or maybe we should call him "scatman guthers". >>> Brad, I lost the little tube of grease that's used to >>> lube the O-rings in my F24-4 RMS reload kit. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Stop it! You're making brad excited, or maybe we should call him > "scatman guthers". ewwww, I'm officially grossed out. Almost as bad as Kosdon in a speedo....almost. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >>>> Brad, I lost the little tube of grease that's used to >>>> lube the O-rings in my F24-4 RMS reload kit. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > TRA#5512 > IEAS#75 I guess You've never seen Frank bend over to pick up a dropped O ring or such. > >>>> Brad, I lost the little tube of grease that's used to > >>>> lube the O-rings in my F24-4 RMS reload kit. > >>>> > >>>> What do you recommend as a substitute? > I guess You've never seen Frank bend over to pick up a dropped O ring or > such. I have but I am really waiting for Brad's reply. Jerry SignatureJerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01rocket@gte.net> Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry. Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com > Brad, I lost the little tube of grease that's used to > lube the O-rings in my F24-4 RMS reload kit. > > What do you recommend as a substitute? Just about anything that allows the O-rings to slide enough to properly seat will work. Vasoline, automotive grease, Slick-50, KY, Brylcream, ear-wax should all work. I'd bet even sunscreen would do. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! Bob Kaplow, I suppose if your "just about anything" grease doesn't become near solid when cold or otherwise thin-out or simply react badly when hot, much less burn, then you've got the job of packing each of those O-rings with your proven "just about anything" grease. - Brad Guth > Bob Kaplow, > I suppose if your "just about anything" grease doesn't become near [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > - > Brad Guth hey mr twit: I didn't even see your response at first, since I kill filed you as soon as you started polluting this group with nonsense. Something I haven't even done to Jerry Irvine, which should tell you exactly where you rank. May I ask how many RMS motors you've flown, and for how long you have flown them? Personally, I've used about 200, and have been flying them since they were first released in 1990. Some of my first casings had serial number 003 on them when they still had serial numbers. The grease on the o-rings is simply to ease the assembly process. The motors will actually perform fine even if NO grease at all is used in the assembly process. About the only real grease related concern is not using TOO MUCH grease on the ejection o-ring. Any more grease than what it takes to make them shine is too much. Grease type only matters in hybrid motors, where there is N20. There you need to use something non-reactive like Krytox. RMS motors are NOT hybrids, and the type of grease just doesn't matter. But I'll make an exception in your case, and recommend that you use KY jelly, based on your expected use of the RMS motors. And don't bother replying, as you're still in my killfile. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! > Intellectual Usenet incest is pretty much their mainstream status quo > of what sucks and blows the most about these cloned news groups that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > - > Brad Guth And what exactly does this have to do with "Re: Age restrictions to fly hobby line RMS motors"? But at least you didn't cross post your *intellectual* ascii bowel movement :) Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >And what exactly does this have to do with "Re: Age restrictions to >fly hobby line RMS motors"? I respond to those making use of my name or of anything that's even close to my topics. I believe that is exactly what it has to do with your "Re: Age restrictions to fly hobby line RMS motors" that made unauthorised usage of my name. - Brad Guth >>And what exactly does this have to do with "Re: Age restrictions to >>fly hobby line RMS motors"? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > - > Brad Guth brad, What is the proper assembly procedure for a RMS type motor? >>And what exactly does this have to do with "Re: Age restrictions to >>fly hobby line RMS motors"? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > - > Brad Guth so why dont you take your stupid name and your stupid self and go some where else. exactly what is your involvement in model rockets, other than as a polluter of this newsgroup? SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! > >>And what exactly does this have to do with "Re: Age restrictions to > >>fly hobby line RMS motors"? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > else. exactly what is your involvement in model rockets, other than as a > polluter of this newsgroup? Hey Bob, are you "authorized" to call someone a polluter? Oh wait, am I authorised to use your name in a post? Where do I get such authorization, anyway? SignatureTweak >>>>And what exactly does this have to do with "Re: Age restrictions to >>>>fly hobby line RMS motors"? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > authorised to use your name in a post? Where do I get such > authorization, anyway? You have to contact The Institute of Buttology and obtain a degree in Observationolgy, then and only then will You be qualified to make such judgments. >> >>And what exactly does this have to do with "Re: Age restrictions to >> >>fly hobby line RMS motors"? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >authorised to use your name in a post? Where do I get such >authorization, anyway? Brad Guth? <g> tah -- Tod A. Hilty Hilty Information Systems "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room." Do not look in the direction of the flash... Curl up in a ball as you hit the ground... CAUTION: The Mass of This Product Contains the Energy Equivalent of 85 Million Tons of TNT per Net Ounce of Weight Please replace weinerboy dot org with adelphia dot net for reply. Bob Kaplow, Wow! To tell the truth and all hell catches on fire. To ask an honest question and all we get to see is flak. >Dave Grayvis; What is the proper assembly procedure for a RMS type motor? I have no idea. Do I actually need to know this? I've never used black powder or anything rocket worthy, but that's why I'm into asking questions from the all-knowing folks like yourself. - Brad Guth > Bob Kaplow, > Wow! To tell the truth and all hell catches on fire. > To ask an honest question and all we get to see is flak. Regarding this thread, what "truth" did you tell? Regarding this thread, what "honest question" did you ask? >>Dave Grayvis; What is the proper assembly procedure for a RMS type motor? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > - > Brad Guth If you have no interest in "model" rockets, then it's really pointless for you to be here. >Dave Grayvis; If you have no interest in "model" rockets, >then it's really pointless for you to be here. I never once said or otherwise indicated that I had no interest. Why is it that you folks simply can't be the least bit honest? Are each and every one of your naysay mindsets related to GW Bush? At this point I have no further questions. So, as long as my name or related topics are not coming up in future posts that link into this closed minded Usenet anti think-tank, then there's no good reason for my sharing another word or even for asking another question, especially since I now realize the truth is nowhere to being found within this group of such all-knowing naysayers that have no intentions of sharing anything that might eventually rock your good ship LOLLIPOP. - "If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it." -Brad Guth "To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting." -Stanislaus I "The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but having new eyes." -Marcel Proust "Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an action, not a thought." -F.W. Robertson ~ Even Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree that; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very result of honest folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident warlord(GW Bush). Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm By Federal law, the legal age to purchase any reloadable motor is 18. Bob |
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