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Model Forum / General / Rockets / March 2006"Premption" comes to Texas law enforcement
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ shockie B) > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ So I suppose next they'll be arresting all newborn females in Texas for prostitution, and all the newborn males for bestiality? > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ > > shockie B) You can get drunk off 3.2 beer??? Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 This was done in our area 15 years ago in my town, for some reason only at certain bars. A law suit (by the bar owners) to the state level found it un-lawful. times change however. they go after the smokers, and people don't care they don't smoke. next they go after the double big mac and fry eaters, they don't glutton. next they go after ..... till they go after you.. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ > > shockie B) Texas, a whole nother country... (:-) > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ > > shockie B) > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ This from a state with drive through liquor stores??? I'm all for arresting every drunk that ever gets behind the wheel of a vehicle. Death caused by DUI should be prosecuted as felony murder. But the inside of a bar or restaurant is private property, not a public place.  SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible. -- Jamin Raskin >>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vehicle. Death caused by DUI should be prosecuted as felony murder. But the > inside of a bar or restaurant is private property, not a public place. And Ron White agrees with you :) Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vehicle. Death caused by DUI should be prosecuted as felony murder. But the > inside of a bar or restaurant is private property, not a public place. Bob, I agree with your opinion but your wrong with your interpretation of the law. Under Texas law a bar is considered a public place. At least in "wet" counties... I'm not sure what the law says about counties where you have to be a member to purchase alcohol. BTW, we don't allow firearms in bars either even though we are a right to carry and a concealed carry state. And although we do have drive through liquor stores, you can't have an open container in the vehicle - front or back seat - while driving. The best explanation I've heard is that TABC was up for "Sunset" review during the last session of the Legislature (you know, they one where they started off by declaring Education was the number one priority and then ended by saying it was too hard to fix). A sunset review means their reason for existence was being questioned. Apparently they were given a two year pass to the next session. They're trying to show that they really are doing something about the DWI problem by catching people before they stumble out on the street. This might create an uproar from the voters who would demand that TABC be abolished or scaled back during the next session. But considering that the spineless legislature has not figured a way to fund education in a constitutionally legal way (state or federal constitution) for well over 20 years (which includes both Democrat and Republican Governors and Legislatures) I doubt they would do anything about this. Unless someone who was arrested sues for a civil rights violation and wins.... > Unless someone who was arrested sues for > a civil rights violation and wins.... This could be the solution to all sorts of injustices. All it takes is one person sufficiently pissed off, with vast sums of money to fight. In our little town, we have an "occupational category tax", where you pay a yearly tax based on your job title - any lawyer, so much, any engineer, so much - regardless of your actual income. It was once common around here, but it's been struck down in every town where it was challenged. Our politocos KNOW it's unfair and illegal, but it'll stay on the books until someone sucessfully challenges it. >> Unless someone who was arrested sues for >> a civil rights violation and wins.... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > was challenged. Our politocos KNOW it's unfair and illegal, but it'll > stay on the books until someone sucessfully challenges it. How is such a thing, any more, or less, "unfair and illegal" than *any* other tax law? Is it any different than charging some people a higher tax rate, simply because they earn more income? Or, since some occupations require the person to pay "licensing fees" on an annual basis, while many other ocupations do *not* require such a thing...is this not also an "unfair and illegal" tax? SignatureGreg Heilers Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 10.2 (2.6.13) AUS ..... He gets it from your side of the family, you know. No monsters on my side. -- Homer Simpson Treehouse of Horror II > How is such a thing, any more, or less, "unfair and illegal" > than *any* other tax law? Is it any different than charging [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > other ocupations do *not* require such a thing...is this > not also an "unfair and illegal" tax? The reason it's been struck down in neighboring communities is that it's not based on ability to pay - people with the same title may have widely varying incomes. (And to avoid "abuse", they often don't take your word for what you do - they ASK YOUR NEIGHBORS!) For example, my business card once read Salesman. Then I changed divisions in the same company, and it read Systems Engineer, and my tax tripled, presumably on the basis that all "engineers" have engineering degrees and make a lot of money. I assure you this is NOT true in the computer industry; in fact I made less than as Salesman. It took me three years of bitching to get it changed to "technician", which has about the same tax as Salesman. Did I get the refund of the difference for the three years? Don't be silly. ------------------ There was also a recent crackdown on prostitution in a neighboring state. One of the tools was to publish the name and picture of those ARRESTED (not necessarily convicted) for patronizing a prostitute in the news paper. The sponsor of the bill freely admitted in a radio interview that the law was probably illegal, but would stand until challenged - and who was going to come out for "Johns Rights?" > There was also a recent crackdown on prostitution in a neighboring > state. One of the tools was to publish the name and picture of those [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > law was probably illegal, but would stand until challenged - and who > was going to come out for "Johns Rights?" Arrest the politician for prostitution. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver! > In our little town, we have an "occupational category tax", where you > pay a yearly tax based on your job title - any lawyer, so much, any > engineer, so much - regardless of your actual income. It was once > common around here, but it's been struck down in every town where it > was challenged. Our politocos KNOW it's unfair and illegal, but it'll > stay on the books until someone sucessfully challenges it. How much is a politician charged?? (:-) > How much is a politician charged?? (:-) Should be their total salary plus bribes. But since they write the laws, I'm sure they exempt themselves. NO government should be exempt from ANY law that they pass on the citizens, or those laws should not apply to either. SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Klein bottle for sale -- inquire within. > NO government should be exempt from ANY law > that they pass on the citizens, or those laws should not apply to either. That's almost a benchmark for bad government. Every time I read some government entitity is "protected" from civil suits, or exempt from regulation, it reminds me we don't really have representative government. Really - the supposition is that the politicians enact the laws WE want to have. Given the choice, would even one private citizen vote for a proviso like that? > In our little town, we have an "occupational category tax", where you > pay a yearly tax based on your job title - any lawyer, so much, any > engineer, so much - regardless of your actual income. It was once > common around here, but it's been struck down in every town where it > was challenged. Our politocos KNOW it's unfair and illegal, but it'll > stay on the books until someone sucessfully challenges it. Many places have all sorts of laws that they know are illegal. Challenge them, and they drop it, so that it doesn't go to court and get overturned. That way they can continue screwing those who don't know any better. BTW, according to my tax form, my occupation is "taxpayer"... SignatureBob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Klein bottle for sale -- inquire within. > BTW, according to my tax form, my occupation is "taxpayer"... That' gonna' cost You! > In our little town, we have an "occupational category tax", where you > pay a yearly tax based on your job title - any lawyer, so much, any > engineer, so much - regardless of your actual income. It was once > common around here, but it's been struck down in every town where it > was challenged. Our politocos KNOW it's unfair and illegal, but it'll > stay on the books until someone sucessfully challenges it. Looks like Polk county FL has one. three tiers, and fortune tellers are in tier 3 http://www.polktaxes.com/occupationaltax/otrinitial.asp > Looks like Polk county FL has one. > > three tiers, and fortune tellers are in tier 3 Yeah, we've got that one, too, and at about the same rates. It's called an "Occupational Privilege Fee", which I assume means you're paying a fee to be allowed to learn a living. That's in addition to the Occupational Category Tax I previously mentioned; and we have a city and state income tax as well. This is in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. >In our little town, we have an "occupational category tax", where you >pay a yearly tax based on your job title - any lawyer, so much, any >engineer, so much - regardless of your actual income. It was once I'm curious, what is the tax for the job titles: "politician" "mayor" "citty commissioner" "sherrif" "bum" Glen > I'm curious, what is the tax for the job titles: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "sherrif" > "bum" It's a secret. (I'm not making this up) The schedule is not available to the general public, on the theory that people would lie and claim to be whatever category was lowest. When I at length got re-classed as a "technician" all I was told was that it would be lower than my current category. I found out by how much wehn the tax bill came in. Not related to the "unfair/illegal law discussion" but an illustration of local Pennsylvania government: There's a "water emergency number" to call if you have a problem with city water (not for your plumbing, but the water supply) It's UNLISTED. The theory is, if people knew it, they'd bother them with inappropriate calls. What you do is call the police, and they call the water people FOR you. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ > > shockie B) In the 70's I was stationed at NAS Chase field near the little town of Beeville, TX. Back then if you were drinking in a bar and the sheriff or Texas DPS (Highway Patrol) came into the establishment and asked you to step outside you had two choices. Say no and get arrested for resisting or go with them and be arrested for public intoxication. The fines were about two dollars different. AH those were the days. SignatureWilliam Richardson ENC USNR Ret. TRA 8703 L2 Do not laugh at the difficulties of others as you may soon have difficulties of your own. > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > These days the sheriff would be up for 'conspiracy to commit public intoxication' David Erbas-White |
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