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Kevin OClassen - 27 Mar 2006 11:27 GMT
I've decided to fill in the time between now (mud season) and summer (rainy
season) with a small research project. I figured I'd ask folks to point out
any obvious flaws in concept or methodology before I spend a lot of time on
it.

Scanning the net for information about deployment charges, I find lots of
anecdotal reports of the effectiveness of various powders and charge prep
methods, but no specific comparative data. Given that I live in a place
where setting off a couple hundred small charges will never be noticed, I
thought I'd try to develop such data. If it's already out there, PLEASE
point it out before I get started :)

GOAL:

Determination of viable alternatives to commercial Black Powder, and
generation of a table of relative effectiveness for different powder types
and canister configurations.

APPARATUS:

A piece of electric fence wire (continuous steel wire, approx 1/16" in
diameter) will be stretched horizontally between two anchor points, and
tensioned to a specific loading before each test series. The actual tension
is somewhat arbitrary... at least 150lbs, max something less than the
breaking tension of the wire. The idea is to create a replicable condition,
with no primary resonance.

Below this wire, at one end, is secured a BP "cannon", simulating a 4"
rocket body tube. A 16" long, ~16 ounce "slug" representing a nose cone will
be suspended from the wire by 1/4-20 eyebolts at two points, in a manner
which allows the slug to hang level on the wire, and to be inserted in the
cannon without putting tension on the wire/eyebolt connection. After firing,
the slug will be suspended from the eye bolts no more than one inch below
its starting position.

Before each test series, the wire will be tensioned and cleaned with a light
petroleum solvent (WD-40). Temperature and barometric pressure will be
recorded for later data adjustments. Further, a "reference charge" will be
fired to insure that the apparatus delivers generally consistent results.
This reference charge will be something like 1g of ffffG Swiss black powder,
in a specific type of charge container, wadded a specific way.

All charges will be ignited by the same type of low-current ematch,
specifically, built from Aerocon Hotheads coated with Shimizu H3, and fired
from a  12v high capacity battery. All pieces of the apparatus will be
created from standard materials so that they might be easily replaced in the
event of failure or excessive wear.

METHODOLOGY:

Each prepared charge will be inserted in the 'cannon', the 'slug' inserted,
and the charge fired. The distance the slug travels down the suspended wire
will be recorded. After each firing the 'cannon' and 'slug' will be cleaned
of any residual powder or debris. At least two firings of each configuration
will be conducted.

Charges will be prepared per the research matrix. A standard weight of
powder will be established and used for each test (probably on the order of
1g).  A commercial powder scale will be used to insure accuracy. Several
types of canisters and wadding methods will be tested, as well as several
different types of powder. Lists below (feel free to suggest additions)

Powders:
    ffffG Black powder (swiss, goex, red dot)
    fffG Black Powder (goex, red dot)
    Nakka's Crimson Powder
    Pyrodex P
    Homemade meal BP
    Homemade granulated BP
    Homemade sulfurless powder
    Composites (i.e. pyrodex + x% meal BP)

Containers:
    Plastic 2.0ml with snap cap (tall and narrow)
    Cardboard tube (shorter and more broad)
    Baggies
    Open pan

Wadding:
    This is the "meat" of the matter, and an area where I may be offering new
    info, if preliminary tests pan out. Suffice it to say this will include an
    array of materials and methods, from loose "flash in the pan" discharge to
    tightly contained by a number of methods, depending on the charge
    container.

Hmmm... I think that describes it in general terms. I'm no technician, just
a backyard hack, so it wouldn't surprise me a bit to find that I've missed
something important. Comments and criticisms would be most welcome.

Kevin OClassen
NAR 13578
TRA 10569

kevinREMOVEMEatREMOVEMEback2bed.com


Will Marchant - 27 Mar 2006 13:13 GMT
Hi Kevin:
Sounds like you'll have lots of fun!

Another possible enclosure is a "penny wrapper" that has been wrapped in
three or four layers of masking tape.

Two issues you won't be able to, easily, deal with: microgravity and
atmospheric pressure.

You might want to take a look at
http://www.rouse-tech.com/pdfs/CD3%20MANUAL%20DIST.pdf for the
discussion of pyrotechnic charge failures due to lower atmospheric
pressure.  I haven't, yet, flown a hobby rocket high enough to worry
about this so the point is academic for me.

It seems to me that "untamped" charges may travel away from their
ignition source during the coast phase of a flight.  If you're using
containers with "loose" charges it might be interesting to try the exact
same charge but in different orientations.

I'd be very interested in seeing you also systematically evaluate
nichrome wire as well as e-matches.  There may be regulatory issues
surrounding e-matches and I'd love to see some solid data that removes
yet another possible inspection/storage hurdle.

That brings up the power source.  Is the high capacity battery you are
specifying flyable?  Maybe you could use a something like a nine Volt
tranister battery and capacitor instead?  That would make your ignition
system much more "flight like."
    Best wishes,
    Will

> I've decided to fill in the time between now (mud season) and summer (rainy
> season) with a small research project. I figured I'd ask folks to point out
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Brian White - 27 Mar 2006 13:24 GMT
On a quick read, there is no test using piston ejection.

Given your test setup, no test for deployment at altitude.  The ground
level pressure will vary a little, granted.  It would interesting to see
the changes at 1000ft intervals say to 30,000ft. But that is beyond the
scope of your setup.

Red Dot is a smokeless power.

I do not know anyone who produces their own black powder.  I am certain
that there are those that do.   I would be concerned about consistency
from batch to batch, individual to individual.  I see that testing of
homemade BP to be of limited value

There is no mention on adjusting the amount of tension the body tube
would assert on the nosecone.  Is it a tight fit or loose fit fit.

BW

> I've decided to fill in the time between now (mud season) and summer (rainy
> season) with a small research project. I figured I'd ask folks to point out
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Kevin OClassen - 27 Mar 2006 14:34 GMT
Agreed, to all of that. However, I'm not testing the effectiveness of
deployment systems, rather the relative effectiveness of the various powders
when contained and wadded in the same manner, against a standardized
resistance (the slug on the wire). I also agree about the consistency issue
with homemade BP, but wanted to include it as I do make my own. Also, since
I'm including Nakka's Crimson, I had already opened the field to these
issues. Thanks for the reminder about N/C fit. I've been considering a
method to assure that the release force is the same test to test, but
haven't settled one yet. Again, my goal is to test the powders, so the more
variables I can minimize, the better.

Kevin O

> On a quick read, there is no test using piston ejection.
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> There is no mention on adjusting the amount of tension the body tube
> would assert on the nosecone.  Is it a tight fit or loose fit fit.
Scott - 27 Mar 2006 18:52 GMT
Hopefully, you've read my ejection test reports posted at
http://www.alaska.net/~aleckson/
Granted this site hasn't been updated in quite some time, but there is
some info on the main page, then take the link to the smokeless
preliminary report.
Kevin OClassen - 27 Mar 2006 20:38 GMT
> Hopefully, you've read my ejection test reports posted at
> http://www.alaska.net/~aleckson/
> Granted this site hasn't been updated in quite some time, but there is
> some info on the main page, then take the link to the smokeless
> preliminary report.

Thanks, Scott. Very interesting and useful information.

Kevin O
Tony - 27 Mar 2006 22:46 GMT
Kevin,
 Here is a link to another method for containment that has been
working for me..
http://hometown.aol.com/tfish38/page16.html
Tony
Phil Stein - 28 Mar 2006 00:51 GMT
Kevin,

Have you considered trying to measure the volume of gas a given weight
charge will generate.  The function of an ejection charge is to create
adaquate pressure within the rocket so that the two pieces seperate.
I think it's good idea to try to determine the efficiency of varius
things used for this.  I've found that 3f bp seems to do the same as
4f but with a less energetic release of gasses.  I understand that
some people have been sucessful with Pyrodex.  Anyway, it's worth
thinking about.

Phil
 
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