Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
General
ModelsRailroadsRockets
Radio Controlled
Air ModelsHelicoptersLand ModelsWater Models
ModelGeeks.com
Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map

Model Forum / General / Rockets / June 2006



Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Protecting the "smoking end" of your rocket...

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Bruce Sexton - 27 Jun 2006 17:46 GMT
What do you guys and gals do to protect the aft end of your rockets (mostly
mid and high power) from the heat and flame of motor exhaust? I'm tired of
taking the time to put a really good finish on my rockets only to have the
rear end look like it has gone through WW3 after a couple of flights.

Have any of you ever tried the high temperature automotive engine paints? I
seem to remember when I was growing up and building model rockets there was
a silver brush-on paint that  was listed as "high temperature".

What tricks or techniques do you use or do you just say to heck with it and
let it burn?
Aaron - 27 Jun 2006 19:35 GMT
I have coated the inside of the body tube near the motor with CA.  This
seems to work on smaller motors (upto about a G or so)  I have also
lined the inside with fiberglass.  This seems to work best with F/G to
I or so motors.  J motors and above just get too hot for almost all the
things I've tried.  I almost always have the motor extend past the body
tube by a 1/2 inch and use JB weld on all connections for motors that
big.

High-temp automotive paint might work, but I thought it took a special
curing process to work correctly (have to bake it on) and so I've never
attempted it.

-Aaron

> What do you guys and gals do to protect the aft end of your rockets (mostly
> mid and high power) from the heat and flame of motor exhaust? I'm tired of
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> What tricks or techniques do you use or do you just say to heck with it and
> let it burn?
syncbus@gmail.com - 27 Jun 2006 19:45 GMT
I'd start by checking your blast deflector, most of the aft end damage
is from blowback at ignition.  Even the best high temp paints aren't
going to protect against incendiary particles in that temperature
range.

Some time with a pair of tin snips and a cheap-o thin walled stainless
steel mixing bowl would yield a design that would divert hot gasses and
particles without the ricochet effect.

Mike Doyle

> What do you guys and gals do to protect the aft end of your rockets (mostly
> mid and high power) from the heat and flame of motor exhaust? I'm tired of
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> What tricks or techniques do you use or do you just say to heck with it and
> let it burn?
Jonathan Sivier - 27 Jun 2006 20:15 GMT
>What do you guys and gals do to protect the aft end of your rockets (mostly
>mid and high power) from the heat and flame of motor exhaust? I'm tired of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>What tricks or techniques do you use or do you just say to heck with it and
>let it burn?

  One thing I have done on a couple of rockets that has been fairly successful
is to use a disposable heat-sheild made of heavy duty aluminum foil (the kind
used in ovens).  This works well on fairly large rockets with a flat aft end
where the rear centering ring is slightly recessed inside the body tube.  Cut
out a ring of foil that will fit on the centering ring between the motor tube
and the body tube.  You can also have tabs that will protect the sides of the
body tube and motor tube.  Hold it in place with either masking tape or whatever
you are using for motor retention (in larger rockets).  This sheild will last
for several flights.  When it starts to deteriorate you just replace it with
another one.  I make templates of the sheilds and cut out spare ones to carry in
my range box.

Jonathan
-----
Jonathan Sivier
Secretary, Central Illinois Aerospace
jsivier AT uiuc.edu
NAR #56437
Tripoli #1906
CIA Web Site: http://www.prairienet.org/cia/
Home Page: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jsivier/www/
-----
"Remember to always keep the pointy end up."
Bruce Sexton - 27 Jun 2006 23:17 GMT
Now I like that idea and was thinking of something similar although I hadn't
tried it yet.

>   One thing I have done on a couple of rockets that has been fairly
> successful
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> -----
> "Remember to always keep the pointy end up."
Phil Stein - 28 Jun 2006 00:02 GMT
>What do you guys and gals do to protect the aft end of your rockets (mostly
>mid and high power) from the heat and flame of motor exhaust? I'm tired of
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>What tricks or techniques do you use or do you just say to heck with it and
>let it burn?

I let get yucky.  If it bothered me, i'd put an aluminum plate on it.
I have one rocket that's flat black.  It isn't affected by that.

Phil
Tater Schuld - 28 Jun 2006 02:36 GMT
> What do you guys and gals do to protect the aft end of your rockets
> (mostly mid and high power) from the heat and flame of motor exhaust? I'm
> tired of taking the time to put a really good finish on my rockets only to
> have the rear end look like it has gone through WW3 after a couple of
> flights.

use a standoff on your launch rod.

our club uses spent Estes engine casings. hardly any liftoff damage. bet it
would be non-existent if we stacked two of them.

also, we use angled blast deflectors on the HPR stuff. absolutely no issues
Bruce Sexton - 28 Jun 2006 13:08 GMT
> use a standoff on your launch rod.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> also, we use angled blast deflectors on the HPR stuff. absolutely no
> issues

I always use a standoff - maybe I just need to set it higher from the blast
deflector. I would prefer angled blast deflectors but unfortunately I don't
have a choice with the launches I attend.
Tater Schuld - 29 Jun 2006 22:35 GMT
> I always use a standoff - maybe I just need to set it higher from the
> blast deflector. I would prefer angled blast deflectors but unfortunately
> I don't have a choice with the launches I attend.
take a pie pan (metal one from the dollar store, not a foil one) and bend it
into a taco shape, or maybe a bit less. one hole in the center and you have
an angled blast deflector.

for the more adventurous.......

take the same pie pan and load a rocket with an Estes D12 that has been
frozen/thawed and then left in a car on a few sunny weeks. deflection angle
will vary, but can make for some interesting launch footage.
kimballt@pacbell.net - 28 Jun 2006 04:11 GMT
> What do you guys and gals do to protect the aft end of your rockets
> (mostly
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> rear end look like it has gone through WW3 after a couple of flights.

High Temp RTV.  You can buy it at the local hardware store. It has a copper
base and is rusty colored.  I actually have a motor retiention tail cone I
made out of wood and foam.  The motor sits back behind the exit plane of the
tail cone by about 3/4 to 1 inch.  The RTV works great on  the ID of the
cone.  We use the same stuff on real rocket test stands to cover exposed
bolts on tooling that sits behind the nozzle exit cone.  And I'm talking
about a 60 inch dia solid booster that makes the concrete surface pop like
popcorn and the steel deck plate radiate at about 300F for 20 minutes or so
after the static fire test.  Just apply the RTV the day before your launch
with a putty knife or similiar object.  You could try painting it on with a
stiff brush.  I just use my finger.

I also just found a company that makes high temp coatings that you paint on
good up  to 2600F.  They sell a roll of insulative tape consisting of
aluminum and fiber glass layers you could try.

http://www.aremco.com/protective-coatings.html

kt
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2012 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.