Hey all,
I'm going to Kennedy Space Center and will be taking one of the
tours...which one is better...
The "Then & Now" or "Nasa Up Close" tour? I know the general gist of
them, but which will be more interesting. I'm leaning toward Up Close
because I figure Then and now will always be around, while what we see
in Up Close will be different in the future. Any input from
rocketheads who've done both? My last trip to the Cape was 20 years
ago and I remember taking a tour that went out the crawlerway and to
the Apollo one pad (I think...it's been a while and the cobwebs in my
brain are definitely thicker these days!).
Any info from fellow rocketheads is appreciated.
Thanks,
Art T
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Roger Smith - 25 Nov 2006 20:39 GMT
> I'm going to Kennedy Space Center and will be taking one of the
> tours...which one is better...
> The "Then & Now" or "Nasa Up Close" tour?
For most people the "Up Close" tour will be more interesting. The "Then &
Now" tour takes you to some of the old Canveral launch sites but there's not
much to see any more. Also, the "Then & Now" tour isn't run very often -
only when they get enough reservations, I guess.
-- Roger
Ted Mahler - 26 Nov 2006 04:41 GMT
It was an easy decision for me. I am a space history nut so the tour that
took you out to the old pads was the one for me. When I was there a couple
of summers ago the tour:
* Let you stand underneath what is left of Pad 34-A (where the Apollo 1 fire
took place.)
* took you the Canaveral air station museum and its rocket park (absolutely
took cool!)
* Took you inside the blockhouse used for the Sheppard and Grissom flights.
You could walk out onto the same
concrete pad where they stood. Yes sir, that was all right.
* Past the hanger and office window of Van Braun.
* Past the early Saturn 1 pads
* Past the silos where the entombed Challenger and Apollo 1 wreckage lies.
* Past the Canaveral lighthouse.
If I recall correctly you end up at the same place the other tour does, the
Saturn V building. There the tours merge and you find a common bus back.
Yeah I know, this is a geeky tour but man I loved it. Not many people take
it which makes it even better. We were able to talk more to the guides and
just had a great time.
Ted Mahler
>> I'm going to Kennedy Space Center and will be taking one of the
>> tours...which one is better...
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> -- Roger
Glen Overby - 26 Nov 2006 17:44 GMT
>It was an easy decision for me. I am a space history nut so the tour that
>took you out to the old pads was the one for me. When I was there a couple
>of summers ago the tour:
>* Let you stand underneath what is left of Pad 34-A (where the Apollo 1 fire
>took place.)
Wow! I took this tour in 1999 and the only place we were let off the bus was
at the musum. Otherwise it sounded pretty similar.
I didn't know about the "Up Close" tour, and the person at the ticket booth
wouldn't admit to the now-and-then tour existing until I asked for it by name
(just describing it wasn't good enough).
In '99, the tours would sell out long before bus departure. Buy your tickets
early in the morning!
Go read sci.space.shuttle and look for the 'Unofficial Space Shuttle Launch
Guide'.
>* took you the Canaveral air station museum and its rocket park (absolutely
>took cool!)
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>* Past the early Saturn 1 pads
>* Past the silos where the entombed Challenger and Apollo 1 wreckage lies.
I remember the driver / tour guide saying that as well, but according to:
http://www.spds.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo1info.html
it was stored at Langley. There were plans to store it allong with
Challenger, but those plans were apparently delayed:
http://www.spds.nasa.gov/planetary/text/apollo1_pr_19900531.txt
(fwiw, that web site isn't responding at the moment, so I had to use the
google cache to read these).
Personally, I think the right answer to "which tour" is BOTH! :-)
Glen Overby
Mike Pearson <see .sig> - 27 Nov 2006 05:57 GMT
> Hey all,
> I'm going to Kennedy Space Center and will be taking one of the
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> Art T
> Sojars 593
We did the "Then & Now" tour this past spring and thoroughly enjoyed it.
The visit to Pad 34A was worth the whole trip, but everything else (as
Ted just described it) was amazing, too. It's worth taking in and
remembering the very primitive equipment they used to do absolutely
amazing things. It all seemed to be interesting even to those who
hadn't been born when it all happened. Our tour guide's father had
worked on the progeam then, and she had all sorts of good info.
We found out when we arrived to pick up our tickets that the entry
ticket to the Space Center was actually good for 2 days. We basically
wasted a day driving around to some other things, then went to KSC for
one day, but we were leaving the next day. If we had known we could
have easily filled two days there.
Whatever time they tell you to get there for your tour, go early in the
day, since you have to go through security if you take then "Then & Now"
tour. Have good ID, and be prepared for some level of confusion.
If we went back again I'd take the "Then & Now" a second time - I didn't
get a chance to wander as much as I wanted at some of the stops!
Enjoy!

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Tweak - 27 Nov 2006 14:31 GMT
> Hey all,
> I'm going to Kennedy Space Center and will be taking one of the
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> Art T
> Sojars 593
Do both. Is you is or is you ain't a rockethead?
If I HAD to pick only one it would be Then & Now.

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Roger Smith - 27 Nov 2006 15:07 GMT
Art, the reason I recommended the "Up Close" tour is that I assumed you
aren't visiting alone. But I just re-read your message and you don't mention
whether anyone else will be with you. Non-space-freaks, especially kids,
may be bored by the "Then & Now" tour. But enthusiasts will, of course,
enjoy it. You'll like either tour, I suspect. I haven't been on the "Then &
Now" tour for a few years. I tried to take it about a year ago, but it
wasn't offered the day I was there.
I ran out of time, but I was also going to suggest that you'll want to take
advantage of the "second day free" offer on the "Maximum Access" passes.
Without the guided tour, KSC is an all-day experience. Whether or not you
take one of the guided tours, get to the visitor's center early. I'd
suggest, in addition to one of the tours, you sign up for the "Lunch with an
Astronaut" lunch (another extra-cost thing, but worth it - see
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/visitKSC/astronautEncounter/dine.asp).
Not only is the food (marginally) better than available elsewhere in the
Visitor's Center, but you are treated to a presentation by an astronaut and,
usually, an autographed photo. You could take the guided tour one day and do
the lunch the other.
My wife and I visit KSC several times a year. Usually we go to "have lunch"
with a specific astronaut. Most of the times the astronauts are one of a
few regulars such as Sam Gemar. All of the regulars are excellent speakers
and I'd recommend seeing any of them. But every once in a while, they'll
have other astronauts including ones from Apollo and earlier. That's when
we usually visit. We also attend the Astronaut Hall of Fame induction
ceremony each year which is attended by dozens of astronauts.
My favorite attraction at KSC is the Saturn V Center. They've created a
terrific presentation and there's nothing like walking under a real Saturn
V. I also can't get enough out of the 3D Imax films - especially the space
station one. We also enjoy spotting widlife while riding the bus during the
tour. One time, our bus had to stop because a very large alligator _ran_
across the road - an amazing site.
Oh ... as an aside ... sometimes people are confused the first time they
visit KSC thinking they have to sign up for one of the guided tours to take
a bus to see the shuttle pads and other things. That's not true. A bus
tour is included with your regular ticket that takes you near the launch
pads, to the Saturn V center, and to the International Space Station
facility. The "Up Close" tour gets you closer to the Vehicle Assembly
Building, launch pads, and other interesting sites with a tour guide.
-- Roger
Graham - 27 Nov 2006 17:34 GMT
> I ran out of time, but I was also going to suggest that you'll want to take
> advantage of the "second day free" offer on the "Maximum Access" passes.
Roger, is the 'second day free' on the maximum access passes still
available? I recall taking advantage of it maybe 4 years ago, but the
last time I was at KSC (2 years back) I don't recall seeing mention of
it anywhere.
Thanks
G.

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Roger Smith - 28 Nov 2006 01:58 GMT
>> I ran out of time, but I was also going to suggest that you'll want to
>> take advantage of the "second day free" offer on the "Maximum Access"
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> time I was at KSC (2 years back) I don't recall seeing mention of it
> anywhere.
It was the last time I took notice. But I usually get an annual pass
(which, for Florida residents, is the same price as "Maximum Access" pass
right now). I think the second day free offer is still valid, but they
don't mention on their web site (except in the "Fact Sheet" at
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/pressRoom/KSCVC%20Fact%20Sheet%20NEW.pdf).
If you're planning to visit you may wish to give them a call to check:
321-449-4444.
-- Roger