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paul@junglevision.com - 25 Jan 2007 19:12 GMT
I have access to LUNARS RocketHunter reciever which is tuned to various
219Mhz frequncies.I tried to buy a transmiters with no luck.
RocketHunter is attempting to make more transmiters (they say they lost
a supplier) AND Communication Specialists say they can't sell me a unit
in the USA, temporaraly. I've gotten to the point wher I'm sick and
tired of being unuable to find a rocket in the field. Any Suggestions?

Rocketreer in Rodeo
Graham Platt - 25 Jan 2007 19:23 GMT
> I have access to LUNARS RocketHunter reciever which is tuned to various
> 219Mhz frequncies.I tried to buy a transmiters with no luck.
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>
> Rocketreer in Rodeo

 Try a Marshall tracker unit - they're used for falconry mainly, but
are very popular over here in the UK. Very tough kit and well-respected.

G.
Chris Eilbeck - 25 Jan 2007 19:27 GMT
> I have access to LUNARS RocketHunter reciever which is tuned to
> various 219Mhz frequncies.I tried to buy a transmiters with no luck.
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> sick and tired of being unuable to find a rocket in the field. Any
> Suggestions?

Wait for RocketHunter to sort out their supply problem.  There is
nothing better on the market than their kit.

Chris
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Binder Design - 26 Jan 2007 03:13 GMT
> p...@junglevision.com writes:
> >  Any
> > Suggestions?Wait for RocketHunter to sort out their supply problem. There is
> nothing better on the market than their kit.

Except for the Beeline, which is actually legal with the FCC for rocket
use, and can be fitted for GPS.  I'm not affiliated with them, just a
satisfied customer.

Mike Fisher
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Chris Eilbeck - 30 Jan 2007 09:08 GMT
>> p...@junglevision.com writes:
>> >  Any Suggestions?
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> rocket use, and can be fitted for GPS.  I'm not affiliated with
> them, just a satisfied customer.

If they just supply the transmitter and you're expected to use any
random receiver and antenna you can get your hands on, they'll never
give as much range as pulsed carrier systems like Walston, Marshall
and RocketHunter.  The ultimate performance comes from the receiver
and receive antenna, not the beacon.

Chris
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bigredbee@gmail.com - 30 Jan 2007 14:57 GMT
I agree!  If you want the "ultimate" performance, then get a Walston.  
The size of the transmitter coupled with the sensitivity of the
receiver make it the ultimate performer.  But that "ultimate"
performance comes at a cost.  The TX costs are roughly 2-3x that of
the BeeLine transmitters, and a 16 channel recevier costs $499
compared to a very capable dual band ham transceiver (that you can use
for other things!) at around $230.

So, like most things, it's a tradeoff of price v. performance.  In
this case, the BeeLine tx has been proven by hundreds of users to be
'good enough'.  Why throw away $$$s on performance that isn't
necessary?

-- Greg, BigRedBee LLC

> ultimate performance comes from the receiver
> and receive antenna, not the beacon.
>
> Chris
> --
Glen Overby - 30 Jan 2007 18:41 GMT
bigredbee wrote:
>I agree!  If you want the "ultimate" performance, then get a Walston.  
>The size of the transmitter coupled with the sensitivity of the
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>compared to a very capable dual band ham transceiver (that you can use
>for other things!) at around $230.

How much does your RX distance (particularly on the ground) improve when using
a sideband / cw receiver instead of FM?

Out of curiosity, what power output are your devices running?

Glen, kc0iyt
bigredbee@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2007 14:51 GMT
That's an interesting question -- I've never tried with a sideband /
cw receiver -- I'll put it on the list of things to do this summer.

power output? +12 dBm.

-- Greg, K7RKT

> How much does your RX distance (particularly on the ground) improve when using
> a sideband / cw receiver instead of FM?
>
> Out of curiosity, what power output are your devices running?
>
> Glen, kc0iyt
Chris Eilbeck - 30 Jan 2007 19:21 GMT
> I agree!  If you want the "ultimate" performance, then get a Walston.  
> The size of the transmitter coupled with the sensitivity of the
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> 'good enough'.  Why throw away $$$s on performance that isn't
> necessary?

For a given range, better pathloss capability gives a better certainty
of recovery.

Don't get me wrong, your stuff looks good but for me, only selling to
licensed hams is a big put-off and would need to be factored into the
cost of ownership.  I have used Walston, RocketHunter and Marshall to
find rockets I'd never have found with a 10mW beacon and a FM
receiver.

So I'm using a hybrid system, pulsed FM beacon with a good but not the
best CW receiver and a good antenna.

Chris
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Chuck Rudy - 26 Jan 2007 03:41 GMT
> I have access to LUNARS RocketHunter reciever which is tuned to various
> 219Mhz frequncies.I tried to buy a transmiters with no luck.
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>
> Rocketreer in Rodeo

Like a Walston or something?

What's a Rocketreer doing in a Rodeo?  ;-)

It appears that manufacturers match their recievers to their
transmitters, so a Walston won't work terribly well with a RocketHunter
and vise versa.....it *may* work, but not as well.   So if  you want to
buy a tranmitter you will be prompted to buy the accompanying receiver.

Chuck
Kurt - 26 Jan 2007 17:13 GMT
>> I have access to LUNARS RocketHunter reciever which is tuned to various
>> 219Mhz frequncies.I tried to buy a transmiters with no luck.
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>
> Chuck

Not totally correct

In that one could buy an Amateur Radio receiver that will listen to
anything. Only problem is that they are over $500.00 with the proper
frequencies and filters. A simple scanner won't work with the above and
I think they do that on purpose. The RH and Walston receivers are still
cheaper than a full featured Amateur one though.  I believe that
Rocket Hunter and Walston uses a CW filter and some oddball frequencies.
I'm planning on getting a ham license and my ICOM T-90A won't receive
the RH or Walston but it will work with the Beeline.  The tech license
is a piece of cake to get and the Beeline will actually work with a
simple handheld scanner.
Chuck Rudy - 26 Jan 2007 21:57 GMT
>>> I have access to LUNARS RocketHunter reciever which is tuned to various
>>> 219Mhz frequncies.I tried to buy a transmiters with no luck.
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> is a piece of cake to get and the Beeline will actually work with a
> simple handheld scanner.

My bad, I thought he was looking to buy a transmitter to work with a
receiver.....

Chuck
Christopher Cox - 31 Jan 2007 21:29 GMT
> I have access to LUNARS RocketHunter reciever which is tuned to various
> 219Mhz frequncies.I tried to buy a transmiters with no luck.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Rocketreer in Rodeo

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