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while I think this is good idea, ie using a glo-plug instead of an
ematch/igniter( I would how long it will take the BATFE to come to the
conculsion that glo-plugs are igniters) , what would really be a solution
for the future, would be some form on non-pyrotechnic means, ie no BP.
For example, ever heard of NITINOL wire? My solution would be to use an
altimiter's electrical output be used to make the nitinol wire release a
compressed spring.....or you could have the sping in compressed mode and
the electrical output would cause the spring to release immediately....
there you go: A completely non-pyrotechnic means to eject parachutes....
your welcome
terry dean
nar 16158

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HDS - 22 Feb 2007 07:15 GMT
> while I think this is good idea, ie using a glo-plug instead of an ematch/igniter( I would how long it will take the BATFE to
> come to the conculsion that glo-plugs are igniters) , what would really be a solution for the future, would be some form on
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> terry dean
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Well springs might work for Mod Rock, or LMR, but HPR would need a
hell of a spring. I had thought about using CO2 cartridges to blow a piston
ejection system. Or, If you ever get a chance to see how the Shuttle SRB's de-
ploy their chutes, you'll see that the 'nose cone' drags a drogue out that, in turn,
drags the main chute out. You could set up two smaller inner tubes inside the
main air frame.. have them contact the bottom of the cone. At apogee, blow your
CO2 carts, blowing the nose cone to drag out a drogue... dragging out
the main chute.
Your spring would then only need be strong enough the poke a hole into the
CO2 carts.
HDS
shockwaveriderz - 22 Feb 2007 18:27 GMT
hds:
thats a good idea, use the nitinol spring/latch to open the Co2 cans....
terry dean
nar 16158

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"Old Rocketeer's don't die; they just go OOP"
>> while I think this is good idea, ie using a glo-plug instead of an
>> ematch/igniter( I would how long it will take the BATFE to come to the
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> HDS
Bob Kaplow - 22 Feb 2007 20:18 GMT
> while I think this is good idea, ie using a glo-plug instead of an
> ematch/igniter( I would how long it will take the BATFE to come to the
> conculsion that glo-plugs are igniters) , what would really be a solution
> for the future, would be some form on non-pyrotechnic means, ie no BP.
Aside form regulating model airplanes (which the JBGTs probably want to do)
it would also regulate many home furnaces. And fall WAY outside the bounds
of their charter. Glow plugs are certainly not intended to explode.

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Len Lekx - 23 Feb 2007 19:03 GMT
>For example, ever heard of NITINOL wire? My solution would be to use an
>altimiter's electrical output be used to make the nitinol wire release a
>compressed spring.....or you could have the sping in compressed mode and
>the electrical output would cause the spring to release immediately....
I keep thinking about various methods to use CO2 cannisters. By
combining the 'Eject-o-Matic' servo driver with a type of air-switch
that R/C aircraft use for pneumatic landing-gear retracts, you get a
completely pyro-free ejection system.
Now... somebody just needs to produce a flight computer that lets
you directly access the output line that fires the pyro channels...
:-)
jsdemar - 23 Feb 2007 23:55 GMT
> Now... somebody just needs to produce a flight computer that lets
> you directly access the output line that fires the pyro channels...
> :-)
What does that mean?
Len Lekx - 24 Feb 2007 13:41 GMT
>> Now... somebody just needs to produce a flight computer that lets
>> you directly access the output line that fires the pyro channels...
>> :-)
>
> What does that mean?
You know... after reading it again, I'm not really sure myself.
:-?
jsdemar - 24 Feb 2007 15:20 GMT
> >> Now... somebody just needs to produce a flight computer that lets
> >> you directly access the output line that fires the pyro channels...
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> You know... after reading it again, I'm not really sure myself.
> :-?
8-)
Did you mean the logic-level signal? Or did you mean being able to
program the thing yourself? Or possibly reaching out spiritually to
be ONE with the output line? A Spock mind meld?
-jd
Steve Humphrey - 24 Feb 2007 15:27 GMT
>>>> Now... somebody just needs to produce a flight computer that lets
>>>> you directly access the output line that fires the pyro channels...
> Did you mean the logic-level signal?
That would be a useful feature. The old Adept ASA3 acceleration switch
and ASA3T timer had logic pins, very useful for triggering other
electronics without worry about excess voltage.
Steve Humphrey
Len Lekx - 25 Feb 2007 14:24 GMT
>> >> you directly access the output line that fires the pyro channels...
> Did you mean the logic-level signal? Or did you mean being able to
The logic-level signal seems to make the most sense. :-) The
article I saw on the Eject-o-Matic required soldering a wire to the
altimeter - *before* the MOSFET gate - to drive the 555 timer
appropriately.
But later, I got to thinking... an opto-isolator could be connected
to an existing pyro output, and feed the proper signal to any
additional circuitry that way.
shockwaveriderz - 24 Feb 2007 20:30 GMT
I don't know what it means either...
I do know the electronics needs a programmable timing function, and an
output.... the nitinol wire just needs to be heated by the output of say
supercapacitors..... surely you guys can create something like this?
The nitinol wire it self can act as a latch, a pin, a spring whatever....
terry dean
nar 16158

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"Old Rocketeer's don't die; they just go OOP"
>> Now... somebody just needs to produce a flight computer that lets
>> you directly access the output line that fires the pyro channels...
>> :-)
>
> What does that mean?
shockwaveriderz - 24 Feb 2007 20:33 GMT
or wouldn't the electrical power output from a typical altimeter, be enough
to heat the nitinol wire? Thats all thats needed. Heating the wire
inititates whatever form or function it performs....like releasing the gas
from a C02 cannister?
terry dean
nar 16158

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"Old Rocketeer's don't die; they just go OOP"
>I don't know what it means either...
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>> What does that mean?
Phil Stein - 23 Feb 2007 22:48 GMT
>while I think this is good idea, ie using a glo-plug instead of an
>ematch/igniter( I would how long it will take the BATFE to come to the
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>terry dean
>nar 16158
A glow plug (like many igniters we use) just puts electricity to a
nichrome (or similar substance) wire. That is how the heating
elements in many home appliances work. I don't think anything is
going to be done to prevent the use of that alone.