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(On topic) Anyone tried Sanyo Eneloop battery?

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tai fu - 09 Jun 2007 06:17 GMT
Enough of this political/religious crap and lets talk rockets.

I have been out of the loop for a while being in Taiwan and no access to
anything remotely related to rocketry (except bottle rockets that are
disposable), I have not considered batteries for the purpose of lighting a
tough igniter such as crapperheads or other conductive primer based igniters
(such as igniterman). These things usually require a LOT of current to light
and requires a battery with low internal resistence. Traditionally we use
NiCd battery because of their low internal resistence, assuming that a car
battery wasn't available. Now there is this battery developed by Sanyo
called "eneloop" which is basically a NiMh battery that can hold its charge
for a long time when it's not used, unlike traditional NiMh or NiCd battery.
One website that tested these battery reported that they have a very low
internal resistence of about .097 ohm per cell (according to
http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/sanyo_eneloop.html).

It seems since these batteries have low internal resistence and it does hold
greater capacity compared to NiCd (and no dreaded memory effect to boot) has
anyone attempted to light a crapperhead with 8 of these batteries in series?
I think I am going to go buy some because I am sick of my digital camera
crapping out because I forgot to charge the battery... I don't have an
igniterman or a crapperhead (and I doubt it will go through customs either,
DO NOT try and send me one!) to test so maybe some of you guys can test it?

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Phil Stein - 09 Jun 2007 14:24 GMT
>Enough of this political/religious crap and lets talk rockets.
>
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>igniterman or a crapperhead (and I doubt it will go through customs either,
>DO NOT try and send me one!) to test so maybe some of you guys can test it?

Igniterman uses nichrome wire.  Can you get that?  If so you should be
able to get a good idea of how well it will work.
tai fu - 09 Jun 2007 15:14 GMT
I thought igniterman uses conductive primer at least back when I used it, or
did they change that?

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Phil Stein - 09 Jun 2007 16:08 GMT
>I thought igniterman uses conductive primer at least back when I used it, or
>did they change that?

Maybe you are right.  I bought the kind with conductive primer and was
not satisfied with the results so I bought the other kind that uses
nichrome wire.  I forget which is which.  Now, I use either type of
pyrogen with nichrome and am happy with the results.  

Phil
tai fu - 10 Jun 2007 02:11 GMT
However conductive primer does allow you to not have to solder nichrome wire
because they can be a pain from what I hear... I do know conductive primer
requires more power to ignire so therefore are not very good for clusters...
but in any case I don't think I can get E-matches in Taiwan and I doubt
customs will like it if anyone tried to mail them.

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>>I thought igniterman uses conductive primer at least back when I used it,
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>
> Phil
Phil Stein - 10 Jun 2007 15:21 GMT
>However conductive primer does allow you to not have to solder nichrome wire
>because they can be a pain from what I hear... I do know conductive primer
>requires more power to ignire so therefore are not very good for clusters...
>but in any case I don't think I can get E-matches in Taiwan and I doubt
>customs will like it if anyone tried to mail them.

Soldering nichrome is not a problem as long as you don't use
electronic type flux & solder.  With nichrome, you  need to use the
stuff with acid flux for plumbing.  After you are done soldering,
rinse it off in a baking soda solution to get rid of the acid.  This
works very well.  If you try the electronic stuff it will be a pain.

Phil
the notorious t-e-d - 10 Jun 2007 18:36 GMT
>> However conductive primer does allow you to not have to solder nichrome wire
>> because they can be a pain from what I hear... I do know conductive primer
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>
> Phil

Why go to the extra effort to soldering nichrome?  Just use a wirewrap
tool and cat5.  Much quicker and very reliable.  I've been using that
technique for 10 years and the only misfires I had were related to dirty
 clips.

Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
Phil Stein - 10 Jun 2007 22:15 GMT
>>> However conductive primer does allow you to not have to solder nichrome wire
>>> because they can be a pain from what I hear... I do know conductive primer
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>TRA#5512
>IEAS#75

I'm faster without the wire wrap tool.  I've heard of people not
soldering the wires but have no track record for that method.  I know
the way I do it works even when the ignitors are a few years old.

Phil
 
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