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Model Forum / General / Rockets / July 2007[Planet News] R113: NAR S&T New Motor Certifications
News Release by NAR Standards & Testing Monday, July 23, 2007 MARION, Iowa USA — The following Aerotech/KBA motors have been certified by NAR Standards & Testing for general use High Power Rocket Motors effective July 11, 2007. At this time, the reloads are only certified for use in the designated AMW hardware. Aerotech/KBA: I301W-18 38mm x 370mm Certified for use 38-640 AMW Hardware only 554 Newton-seconds Total Impulse 433 Newtons Peak Thrust 302 Newtons Average Thrust Propellant mass: 310 grams W = White Lightning Propellant Aerotech/KBA: I550R-20 38mm x 370mm Certified for use 38-640 AMW Hardware only 575 Newton-seconds Total Impulse 689 Newtons Peak Thrust 587 Newtons Average Thrust Propellant mass: 295 grams R = Redline Propellant Aerotech/KBA: K750W-P 54mm x 727mm Certified for use 54-2550 AMW Hardware only 2468 Newton-seconds Total Impulse 1188 Newtons Peak Thrust 752 Newtons Average Thrust Propellant mass: 1315 grams W = White Lightning Propellant Aerotech/KBA: K1750R-P 54mm x 727mm Certified for use 54-2550 AMW Hardware only 2423 Newton-seconds Total Impulse 2070 Newtons Peak Thrust 1751 Newtons Average Thrust Propellant mass: 1253 grams R = Redline Propellant Aerotech/KBA: M1450W-P 75mm x 1039mm Certified for use 75-7600 AMW Hardware only 7813 Newton-seconds Total Impulse 2134 Newtons Peak Thrust 1432 Newtons Average Thrust Propellant mass: 4150 grams W = White Lightning Propellant Aerotech/KBA: M2900R-P 75mm x 1039mm Certified for use 75-7600 AMW Hardware only 5290 Newton-seconds Total Impulse 2979 Newtons Peak Thrust 2558 Newtons Average Thrust Propellant mass: 3755 grams R = Redline Propellant Jack Kane John Lyngdal NAR Standards & Testing  SignaturePluto downgraded? Get lost, Pluto. There's a new planet in town. Rocketry Planet — http://www.rocketryplanet.com Talk about kicking someone in the nuts while theyre down > News Release by NAR Standards & Testing > Monday, July 23, 2007 [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > John Lyngdal > NAR Standards & Testing >Talk about kicking someone in the nuts while theyre down Who is "down" to be kicked? These reloads (the KBA ones) haven't been manufactured since the Aerotech fire. Aren't the AMW casings the same as the Kosdon casings? I'm a bit suprised that they're for AMW hardware only and not the old (oop) Kosdon casings. While regulations keep me from flying these motors, I like seeing the manufacturers use a common casing. I'd like to see common 24mm and 29mm casings that would suport up to G motors, and multiple vendors making reloads from them for both variety and to abate the "wind chime effect" (mfg going out of business, leaving the casings as being good for little more than wind chimes). Glen Overby > In article <f82n34$3k...@news.flugmodellbau.de>, an anonymous troll named "J > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Glen Overby These are Aerotech reloads (not Kosdon reloads) for AMW hardware (not Kosdon hardware) AT certified White Lighting and Redline in AMW cases. AMW cases are not the same as Kosdon cases (different lengths, nozzles, etc) I'm not saying this is good, bad or whatever....just that it isn't Kosdon propellant or Kosdon cases, this is AT propellant in AMW cases. Personally, I'd like to see just one type of case and I think the AMW cases are great (I have both AT and AMW) but at the same time I fear that if we're reduced down to one type of case, we'll eventually be reduced down to one vendor and that can't be good for the hobby. -Aaron >These are Aerotech reloads (not Kosdon reloads) for AMW hardware (not >Kosdon hardware) AT certified White Lighting and Redline in AMW whoops! I stand corrected. >Personally, I'd like to see just one type of case and I think the AMW >cases are great (I have both AT and AMW) but at the same time I fear >that if we're reduced down to one type of case, we'll eventually be >reduced down to one vendor and that can't be good for the hobby. I don't follow why one type of casing means one vendor? Given how AT seems willing to license others to manufacture hardware, but not propellant, I suspect there isn't much money in casing sales, so the money is in the propellant. Glen Overby AMW has been down with their move for a while now. Seems like someone was lying in wait for this oppurtounity. Anonymous troll? Been around longer than you think, just like to remain nameless > >Talk about kicking someone in the nuts while theyre down > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Glen Overby >AMW has been down with their move for a while now. Seems like someone was >lying in wait for this oppurtounity. Marvelous, another motor manufacturer moving. What motivated the move? The last company I bought motors from moved because one of the parters dropped out of the business. I hope thats not the case here. Should we hold AT at "fault" for using an opportunity? The AT fire provided an opportunity for others. A few used that opportunity, but in the end AT appears to have been able to retain their dominance of the hobby AP market. It's a strange that AT is using Kosdon propellant in the AMW casings, but not AT propellant; similarly they aren't using Kosdon propellant in AT casings. >Anonymous troll? > >Been around longer than you think, just like to remain nameless well, ok, your replies were curteous so I take back the troll comment, and I apoligize for making it. Not many Kosdon fliers around these parts; I've only seen a Kosdon motor blow out it's nozzle :) It's been my impression that the Kosdon, Kosdon East and AMW casings were all the same casings. I found it interesting that NAR certified the motors, while they refused to recognise the certs of CTI motors in AT casings. Glen Overby > >AMW has been down with their move for a while now. Seems like someone was > >lying in wait for this oppurtounity. > > Marvelous, another motor manufacturer moving. What motivated the move?<-- Bigger, better facilities > The last company I bought motors from moved because one of the parters dropped > out of the business. I hope thats not the case here. > > Should we hold AT at "fault" for using an opportunity? The AT fire provided > an opportunity for others. A few used that opportunity, but in the end AT appears to have been able to retain their dominance of the hobby AP market.<<--No one was making loads for their cases after the fire > It's a strange that AT is using Kosdon propellant in the AMW casings, but not > AT propellant; similarly they aren't using Kosdon propellant in AT casings.<--Not Kosdon formulations, Redline and White Lightning > >Anonymous troll? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > recognise the certs of CTI motors in AT casings. > Someone was in an all fired hurry to cert these before LDRS ( and did not follow the proper S&T procedures) > Glen Overby J AMW are not the same as Kosdon (unless you have Kosdon East) > >Talk about kicking someone in the nuts while theyre down > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Glen Overby |
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