Watch: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon: The $100 Billion Moon Landing Fraud.

> VIDEO: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon: The $100 billion
> moon landing fraud.

Not a patch on the trillion dollar Iraq War fraud.

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Pat Flannery - 15 Oct 2007 04:58 GMT

> Not a patch on the trillion dollar Iraq War fraud.

http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/posters/index.asp
Here's the homepage: http://www.whitehouse.org/
In one of his classic slip-ups, Cheney sent people to this website
rather than whitehouse.gov during a interview a couple of years back.
Historians are going to write hundreds of millions of words about this
administration in the years to come.
If it weren't for all the lives lost and billions wasted, this would be
a real-world version of a Three Stooges movie. :-)

Pat

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BradGuth - 15 Oct 2007 14:34 GMT

> If it weren't for all the lives lost and billions wasted, this would be
> a real-world version of a Three Stooges movie. :-)

Not even including global inflation, it's trillions lost (not
billions), and the body count has passed the million mark with no
apparent end in sight.
- Brad Guth -

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Scott Hedrick - 19 Oct 2007 23:44 GMT

> If it weren't for all the lives lost and billions wasted

They're only lost and wasted if you think that improving the lives of people
around the world is a waste or a lost cause.

Don't confuse the truthiness of the news media with the facts.

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Pat Flannery - 20 Oct 2007 05:03 GMT

>
>> If it weren't for all the lives lost and billions wasted
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> around the world is a waste or a lost cause.
>

Yeah, if life in Baghdad gets much more improved...between the dirty
water, explosions, murders, lack of electricity, and cholera, it will be
the most eternally peaceful place you ever saw.
But wait...electrical power may soon be restored!:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/world/middleeast/18grid.html?em&ex=1192852800&
en=01be634a5830f23b&ei=5087%0A
Oh, this worked like a fukin' charm, didn't it?
Meanwhile, back in Afghanistan, life may still suck, but you may not
notice it as much:
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Bumper-opium-crop-in-Afghanistan-sows-se
eds-of-worry-in-Punjab/229785/
You know, it used to be the Republicans who said: "God Save Us From The
Do-Gooders".

> Don't confuse the truthiness of the news media with the facts.

I hate to tell you this, but you do know who came up with the term
"truthiness" don't you?:
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6142485-7.html
Yes, the next president of the United States...Stephen Tiberius Colbert!
Now that he has nailed the snack industry's PAC funding via his
wholehearted endorsement of Dortitos, one can only see the future of
his campaign opening like a bottle of Salsa before him...but still the
thorny question of illegal snack food immigration stands between him and
the presidency.
Should all snack foods be subject to FDA rules? Does investigation of
only south of the border manufactured snack foods constitute racial
profiling? Are these snack foods only in the U.S. because they are snack
foods that U.S. manufactures refuse to make? ...like octopus in mole
sauce fajitas, axolotl fruit roll-ups, armadillo jerky, pickled
roadrunner eggs, or the incredibly popular nacho tarantula chips? Don't
even get me started on the buzzard and bean burritos or gila monster feet.
Frankly, the Italians didn't know jack about making a pizza, the Chinese
how to make fortune cookies, nor the Germans how to make a hamburger
correctly till their immigrants hit America and we showed them the Right
Way...it is our sacred duty to improve their cuisine and figure out how
long it takes to cook in a microwave. This is the gift, along with
democracy at gunpoint, that we give to the world.
Where would France be now without our aid in her liberation in WW II or
showing them how to make French fries right?
Okay, traditional Hispanic cuisine needs some work to bring it up to
spec...but that is ever The White Man's Burden in this world.
Forward, Modern Minutemen!

(or one and one-half minutes if frozen) :-)

Pat

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Richard Brooks - 20 Oct 2007 06:36 GMT

Pat Flannery said the following on 20/10/2007 05:03:

> Where would France be now without our aid in her liberation in WW II or
> showing them how to make French fries right?

The MacDonalds or other takeout fries that are usually sold in those
cardboard pockets are worthy of a Bob Newhart rendition;

"You do what, Walt? You mash them up then squash them back together but
make them look like worms and take the flavour out, Walt? Uhh, don't
call us - we'll call you!"

Or even Family Guy's Peter Griffen.

"Who'd have thought have thought that we'd make fries that are so gay?"

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Pat Flannery - 20 Oct 2007 09:02 GMT

> The MacDonalds or other takeout fries that are usually sold in those
> cardboard pockets are worthy of a Bob Newhart rendition;
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> "Who'd have thought have thought that we'd make fries that are so gay?"

Blame it on the damn protestant English...they call them "chips".
Lord knows what they'd call a REAL Potato Chip.
"Bogtrotter Ear" as near as we at Shiin Funn can guess. :-)

Padraig O'Flannabhra

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Scott Hedrick - 23 Oct 2007 02:35 GMT

>>> If it weren't for all the lives lost and billions wasted
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> water, explosions, murders, lack of electricity, and cholera, it will be
> the most eternally peaceful place you ever saw.

Make enough martyrs and the problem goes away.

More importantly, what evidence do you have that the *US* is withholding
electricity? How many transmission towers has the *US* torn down in the last
year, and for what purpose? How many power substations has the *US* bombed
in the last year?

Don't blame the actions of Iraqis and foreign fighters on the US.

>> Don't confuse the truthiness of the news media with the facts.
>
> I hate to tell you this, but you do know who came up with the term
> "truthiness" don't you?

Yes, I do, and it's an excellent term.

> Should all snack foods be subject to FDA rules?

Should any, other than truth-in-advertising-and-packaging rules? As long as
you know what you are getting, why should the government have any say in
what you eat?

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Pat Flannery - 23 Oct 2007 08:27 GMT

> Make enough martyrs and the problem goes away.
>

Actually all you do when you make a martyr is create some more zealots
wanting to avenge the martyr's death.
Although we could just kill of Muslims, I imagine.... but if we put them
in camps of some sort, they can do useful work.

> More importantly, what evidence do you have that the *US* is withholding
> electricity? How many transmission towers has the *US* torn down in the last
> year, and for what purpose? How many power substations has the *US* bombed
> in the last year?
>

We aren't doing it, but the situation exists none-the-less. The last I
heard, the power plants are under control of local militias, who only
give the power out to their own loyal neighborhoods.

> Don't blame the actions of Iraqis and foreign fighters on the US.
>

Except for the fact we invaded them to give them the gift of a better
life, and instead their lives became miserable

>
>>> Don't confuse the truthiness of the news media with the facts.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Yes, I do, and it's an excellent term.
>

You haven't watched that show much, have you?
It doesn't refer to the news media, it's what Stephen Colbert has
himself... the ability to firmly belive in something that is at complete
odds with the facts, because it's what your gut tells you _should_ be
the truth, not what the truth really is...that's truthiness.

>> Should all snack foods be subject to FDA rules?
>>

That part was a joke as the smiley should have told you.

> Should any, other than truth-in-advertising-and-packaging rules? As long as
> you know what you are getting, why should the government have any say in
> what you eat?
>

But I'm sure Colbert knows that any true-blue American patriot eats Doritos.
I'm actually keen to see if there is a increase in Doritos sales because
of his endorsement of them in order to get campaign funds. :-)

Pat

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Scott Hedrick - 24 Oct 2007 02:15 GMT

>> Make enough martyrs and the problem goes away.
>
> Actually all you do when you make a martyr is create some more zealots
> wanting to avenge the martyr's death.

Pat, you missed the point- you have to make *enough* of them. If making one
martyr turns others into zealots, then turn those zealots into martyrs, and
so on and so forth. The problem will solve itself.

>> More importantly, what evidence do you have that the *US* is withholding
>> electricity? How many transmission towers has the *US* torn down in the
>> last year, and for what purpose? How many power substations has the *US*
>> bombed in the last year?
>
> We aren't doing it

*TAAADAAAAAA*

, but the situation exists none-the-less. The last I

> heard, the power plants are under control of local militias, who only give
> the power out to their own loyal neighborhoods.

Exactly why is the *US* at fault with this?

>> Don't blame the actions of Iraqis and foreign fighters on the US.
>
> Except for the fact we invaded them to give them the gift of a better
> life, and instead their lives became miserable

Is the US funding and equipping the foreign fighters, local militias and
other troublemakers? Don't blame their misery on the US unless you are
prepared to show that the *US* is the cause. Are you prepared to show that
*US* troops are creating car bombs? Are you prepared to show that *US*
troops are are killing Iraqis because of the sect they belong to? Are you
prepared to show that *US* troops hide weapons in mosques?

Just as important, if you are a marsh arab, then you life has improved
immensely since the US arrived. Because they refused to voluntarily move,
Saddam drained the Iraqi marshes and destroyed the ecosystem in retaliation,
forcing them to move.

Don't blame the actions of Iraqis and foreign fighters on the US.

>>>> Don't confuse the truthiness of the news media with the facts.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> You haven't watched that show much, have you?

I haven't watched it at all. I *have*, however, read a column by Stephen
Colbert on what the terms means.

> It doesn't refer to the news media, it's what Stephen Colbert has
> himself... the ability to firmly belive in something that is at complete
> odds with the facts, because it's what your gut tells you _should_ be the
> truth, not what the truth really is...that's truthiness.

Exactly- that's why you hear about car bombs in the news media, but not
this:
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/international/ticker/detail/Sharp_drop_in_violence_
seen_in_Iraq.html?siteSect=143&sid=8342147&cKey=1193068430000&ty=ti

Promoting the *false* impression of US failure in Iraq has more truthiness
to the news media than the facts. Someone from CNN as much as admitted that
CNN has discussed Iraq less recently because the body counts are down, and
that's not news (as far as CNN is concerned).

>>> Should all snack foods be subject to FDA rules?
>
> That part was a joke as the smiley should have told you.

Ah, say, son, I got the joke.

>> Should any, other than truth-in-advertising-and-packaging rules? As long
>> as you know what you are getting, why should the government have any say
>> in what you eat?
>
> But I'm sure Colbert knows that any true-blue American patriot eats
> Doritos.

The chipmunks at Bryce Canyon eat them as well. The little bastards love
junk food, but apparently they can read the word "Doritos", because I saw
one spit out junk food he'd already eaten (a Tostito I'd tossed) in order to
call his buddies and assault some poor German tourist who was eating
Doritos. They leaped from the trees onto his back. He finally tossed the bag
and ran.

Bryce Canyon is beautiful, as long as you're not the schmuck with the
Doritos.

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Pat Flannery - 24 Oct 2007 05:27 GMT

> Pat, you missed the point- you have to make *enough* of them. If making one
> martyr turns others into zealots, then turn those zealots into martyrs, and
> so on and so forth. The problem will solve itself.
>

I still think we can get work out of them if we stick them all in camps.
I'd like to see the flip side of this in action; some wackos from
Britain do a terrorist attack on Russia, the next thing you know, Russia
invades Australia, and begins making threatening statements about Canada.
Why? Well it's obvious! They all speak English, and have connections to
a sinister religion that's so barbaric that its founder had some of his
wives murdered. So they're all the same, aren't they? And if anyone
gives Russia any trouble, it's bye-bye Toronto next.

Pat

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Neil Gerace - 24 Oct 2007 08:18 GMT

> Why? Well it's obvious! They all speak English, and have connections to
> a sinister religion that's so barbaric that its founder had some of his
> wives murdered.

I wasn't aware William Webb Ellis had more than one :)

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Scott Hedrick - 24 Oct 2007 20:32 GMT

>> Pat, you missed the point- you have to make *enough* of them. If making
>> one martyr turns others into zealots, then turn those zealots into
>> martyrs, and so on and so forth. The problem will solve itself.
>
> I still think we can get work out of them if we stick them all in camps.

If they are in camps, they have hope of escape. If they are martyrs, they
can't cause any more problems.

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Rand Simberg - 30 Oct 2007 13:25 GMT

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:27:12 -0500, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

>> Don't blame the actions of Iraqis and foreign fighters on the US.
>>
>
>Except for the fact we invaded them to give them the gift of a better
>life, and instead their lives became miserable

So, you think it was a kite-flying paradise under Saddam, like Michael
Moore says? Do you fantasize that most Iraqis had *more* electricity
then?

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BradGuth - 30 Oct 2007 13:39 GMT

On Oct 30, 4:25 am, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg)
wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:27:12 -0500, in a place far, far away, Pat
> Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Moore says? Do you fantasize that most Iraqis had *more* electricity
> then?

At least Saddam wasn't playing along with our oil cartel, was he. At
least for most Muslims in Iraq, life was a whole lot safer and getting
better in spite of how we'd been provoking them.

We're still dealing with equally bad or worse off warlords because
they have something we want, and we continually use religion as an
excuse or cloak for our actions.

BTW, Iraq's Muslim oil is still capable of being available at $1/
barrel as delivered to the ship, and so where's the other $90/barrel
going?
- Brad Guth -

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Andre Lieven - 20 Oct 2007 00:56 GMT

> > Not a patch on the trillion dollar Iraq War fraud.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Historians are going to write hundreds of millions of words about this
> administration in the years to come.

Yeah, the Bush II mistake is one for the history books...

> If it weren't for all the lives lost and billions wasted, this would be
> a real-world version of a Three Stooges movie. :-)

Well, with a bush, a dick, and a colon, its at least a Carry On
Doctor farce... <g>

I'd bet that it'll make for one of those big timeline changes for
writers
of alternate history: Imagine if, on 9-11, the US had had an at least
basically competant President and Administration.

When historian Douglas Brinkley, who looks at Reagan at least
evenly, if not outright favourably, suggests in those words that a
pre teen boy in the midst of Katrina and New Orleans did more to
help than the President of the US, thats really damning.

Bush 43: Worst... President... ever.

( In no small part because a Superpower's fuckups hurt many
more than just it's own... Just ask Meir -sp- Arar... )

Andre

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BradGuth - 21 Oct 2007 22:14 GMT

> > > Not a patch on the trillion dollar Iraq War fraud.
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Andre

Sounds like business as per status quo usual. WWIII on its way.
- Brad Guth -

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Scott Hedrick - 23 Oct 2007 02:42 GMT

>> > Not a patch on the trillion dollar Iraq War fraud.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Yeah, the Bush II mistake is one for the history books...

Not nearly as bad as Shania Twain.

Deny it all you want, she's from Canada.

>Imagine if, on 9-11, the US had had an at least
> basically competant President and Administration.

Don't have to imagine. Just gotta check out a history book, printed after
that time.

> When historian Douglas Brinkley, who looks at Reagan at least
> evenly, if not outright favourably, suggests in those words that a
> pre teen boy in the midst of Katrina and New Orleans did more to
> help than the President of the US, thats really damning.

Considering that the US Gubmint had been throwing money down the New Orleans
rathole for decades, this statement is demonstrably false.

Just as important, the law, which *wasn't* created by Bush, *required* the
Lousyanna governor to ask for help before the Feds could act- which she
inexplicably delayed doing for many hours. There's no good reason why she
didn't ask before the storm would hit, but then, that might make a
Republican president look good, and a good Democrat can't have that, even
with lives at stake.

> Bush 43: Worst... President... ever.

Except for so many others. In the end, Carter will rate much worse. Clinton
was the worst for the *presidency* (though Nixon is close), which is a
different matter. And why in hell does the Clinton library look like a
trailer?

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On Oct 14, 7:22 am, cccccdfgdfgdg...@googlemail.com wrote:

> VIDEO: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon: The $100 billion
> moon landing fraud.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> http://www.livevideo.com/video/ALIENDISCLOSUREGROUP/DF2E63BEF3F342439...

Fearing only the lethal wrath of those Semitic MIBs (aka pretend
atheists goons, spooks, moles and rusemasters), you and I can safely
bet our bottom dollar that it's all about the mainstream status quo
protecting yet another Zionist perpetrated SCAM (and then some), at
the very least as best applied as damage-control upon anything
pertaining to our NASA/Apollo moon landing hoax, whereas protecting
their ultimate ruse is about as cold-war sting worthy as it ever gets.

In addition to those various links of our Apollo moon landing hoax or
ruse/sting of the century, along with whatever strings and all sorts
of applied hocus-pocus smoke and mirrors, once again here's something
new that's as equally extra weird, as to pondering why all the unusual
lack of topic interest, or rather perhaps why the ongoing official
usenet banishment of anything pertaining to the JAXA SELENE/KAGUYA
mission.

Perhaps JAXA's SELENE/KAGUYA via H-2A/H-IIA is also having to become
yet another hoax, especially since it's getting so much harder to hide
those truths about our moon, as well as about the amounts of fly-by-
rocket energy it takes per given payload tonne and of the extended
amount of required travel time that such new and vastly improved
missions actually require.

Japan lunar probe reaches orbit
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6e27556d88b3
26/003f35e7781e5cdb#003f35e7781e5cdb
JAXA SELENE/KAGUYA via H-2A/H-IIA
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/index_e.html
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
For some silly odd reason there's been nothing of any good (meaning
informative or otherwise deductive) usenet chat about this nifty JAXA
moon mission. It's as though being all super hush-hush or taboo/
nondisclosure rated. Wonder why?

"The KAGUYA mission targets are the global characterization of lunar
surface and detailed gravimetry."
Sounds perfectly nifty and worth every bit of whatever that mission of
remote obtained science can contribute about our physically dark,
somewhat salty and otherwise unavoidably naked/anticathode worthy
mascon of gamma and X-ray saturated environment, especially as for
eventually offering those detailed reviews per each of our NASA/Apollo
hard landings or impact sites.

Perhaps this time around those new and greatly improved CCD obtained
images will honestly utilize their full dynamic range, and thus
unavoidably provide a few good FOVs that'll have to include the rather
nifty vibrance and unusual natural raw colour spectrum of Venus above
the moon's physically dark horizon, possibly even eventually sharing a
few shots that'll include Earth and Venus within the very same Field
Of View that'll still include something of the moon's natural deep
colours and contrast of those rather unusual mineral deposits.

BTW, only taking 3 weeks instead of 3 days to get JAXA's SELENE into
its outer-most lunar orbit. (go figure)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-IIA
H2A2022 / 285,000 kg (2 stage + SRBs) / total payload mass was 3020 kg
http://www.jaxa.jp/pr/brochure/pdf/01/rocket01.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
-
Main Orbiter
Mass: 2914 kg
Size: 2.1 x 2.1 x 4.8 m
Attitude control: Three-axis stabilized
Power: 3.5 kW (Max.)
Mission period: 1 year
Mission Orbit: Circular orbit,
Altitude 100 km
Inclination 90 degree

Their total payload mass was later reported as 3020 kg + 1400 kg
faring

107:1 ratio of rocket/payload (323.42/3.02 tonnes)
H2A2022 323.42 tonnes w/fairing and payload, requires those extra 2
SRBs + 2 Solid strap-on Boosters (SSBs)

With an inert mass of merely 42.62 tonnes, or 13.18% (as opposed to
our NASA/Apollo fiasco of having to start off hauling nearly a 30%
worth of inert mass, with merely a 60:1 rocket/payload ratio) is what
seems more than a tad bit odd, if not entirely hocus-pocus worthy.

As for the SELENE mission's orbital delivery process only taking an
energy efficient 3 weeks (instead of NASA/Apollo's swift 3 days with
fuel and payload to spare) in order to get JAXA's 3 tonne mission into
lunar orbit (actually it's taking yet another two weeks for getting
into the desired 100 km polar orbit), as such seems to be entirely
believable as based upon those regular laws of fly-by-rocket physics
that our NASA/Apollo wizards apparently never have to worry about,
just like their not haviong to worry about the gamma and X-ray
saturated surface environment that was also highly electrostatic and
salty.
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/topics/pdf/1007_0330_loi3_e.pdf

Shouldn't we bother to ask if there's a little something about our
Third Reich semitic fortified NASA/Apollo hocus-pocus worth of
conditional fly-by-rocket physics, that which we do not yet honestly
know about? (apparently so)
- Brad Guth -

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On Oct 14, 7:22 am, cccccdfgdfgdg...@googlemail.com wrote:

> VIDEO: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon: The $100 billion
> moon landing fraud.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> http://www.livevideo.com/video/ALIENDISCLOSUREGROUP/DF2E63BEF3F342439...

Fearing only the lethal wrath of those Semitic MIBs (aka pretend
atheists goons, spooks, moles and rusemasters), you and I can safely
bet our bottom dollar that it's all about the mainstream status quo
protecting yet another Zionist perpetrated SCAM (and then some), at
the very least as best applied as damage-control upon anything
pertaining to our NASA/Apollo moon landing hoax, whereas protecting
their ultimate ruse is about as cold-war sting worthy as it ever gets.

In addition to those various links of our Apollo moon landing hoax or
ruse/sting of the century, along with whatever strings and all sorts
of applied hocus-pocus smoke and mirrors, once again here's something
new that's as equally extra weird, as to pondering why all the unusual
lack of topic interest, or rather perhaps why the ongoing official
usenet banishment of anything pertaining to the JAXA SELENE/KAGUYA
mission.

Perhaps JAXA's SELENE/KAGUYA via H-2A/H-IIA is also having to become
yet another hoax, especially since it's getting so much harder to hide
those truths about our moon, as well as about the amounts of fly-by-
rocket energy it takes per given payload tonne and of the extended
amount of required travel time that such new and vastly improved
missions actually require.

Japan lunar probe reaches orbit
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6e27556d88b3
26/003f35e7781e5cdb#003f35e7781e5cdb
JAXA SELENE/KAGUYA via H-2A/H-IIA
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/index_e.html
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
For some silly odd reason there's been nothing of any good (meaning
informative or otherwise deductive) usenet chat about this nifty JAXA
moon mission. It's as though being all super hush-hush or taboo/
nondisclosure rated. Wonder why?

"The KAGUYA mission targets are the global characterization of lunar
surface and detailed gravimetry."
Sounds perfectly nifty and worth every bit of whatever that mission of
remote obtained science can contribute about our physically dark,
somewhat salty and otherwise unavoidably naked/anticathode worthy
mascon of gamma and X-ray saturated environment, especially as for
eventually offering those detailed reviews per each of our NASA/Apollo
hard landings or impact sites.

Perhaps this time around those new and greatly improved CCD obtained
images will honestly utilize their full dynamic range, and thus
unavoidably provide a few good FOVs that'll have to include the rather
nifty vibrance and unusual natural raw colour spectrum of Venus above
the moon's physically dark horizon, possibly even eventually sharing a
few shots that'll include Earth and Venus within the very same Field
Of View that'll still include something of the moon's natural deep
colours and contrast of those rather unusual mineral deposits.

BTW, only taking 3 weeks instead of 3 days to get JAXA's SELENE into
its outer-most lunar orbit. (go figure)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-IIA
H2A2022 / 285,000 kg (2 stage + SRBs) / total payload mass was 3020 kg
http://www.jaxa.jp/pr/brochure/pdf/01/rocket01.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
-
Main Orbiter
Mass: 2914 kg
Size: 2.1 x 2.1 x 4.8 m
Attitude control: Three-axis stabilized
Power: 3.5 kW (Max.)
Mission period: 1 year
Mission Orbit: Circular orbit,
Altitude 100 km
Inclination 90 degree

Their total payload mass was later reported as 3020 kg + 1400 kg
faring

107:1 ratio of rocket/payload (323.42/3.02 tonnes)
H2A2022 323.42 tonnes w/fairing and payload, requires those extra 2
SRBs + 2 Solid strap-on Boosters (SSBs)

With an inert mass of merely 42.62 tonnes, or 13.18% (as opposed to
our NASA/Apollo fiasco of having to start off hauling nearly a 30%
worth of inert mass, with merely a 60:1 rocket/payload ratio) is what
seems more than a tad bit odd, if not entirely hocus-pocus worthy.

As for the SELENE mission's orbital delivery process only taking an
energy efficient 3 weeks (instead of NASA/Apollo's swift 3 days with
fuel and payload to spare) in order to get JAXA's 3 tonne mission into
lunar orbit (actually it's taking yet another two weeks for getting
into the desired 100 km polar orbit), as such seems to be entirely
believable as based upon those regular laws of fly-by-rocket physics
that our NASA/Apollo wizards apparently never have to worry about,
just like their not haviong to worry about the gamma and X-ray
saturated surface environment that was also highly electrostatic and
salty.
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/topics/pdf/1007_0330_loi3_e.pdf

Shouldn't we bother to ask if there's a little something about our
Third Reich semitic fortified NASA/Apollo hocus-pocus worth of
conditional fly-by-rocket physics, that which we do not yet honestly
know about? (apparently so)
- Brad Guth -

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I'd have to argue that there's more than a wee little confidence
problem with believing most anything NASA/Apollo. However, once again
and again, we're being continually snookered and/or dumbfounded to
death by those having all the right stuff.

These supposedly kind folks in charge of promoting anything and
everything NASA/Apollo need to share and share alike, for example
telling us village idiots as to why Jupiter and Io got depicted as so
unusually pastel? and where the heck are those pesky stars?
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/192016main_100907_11.jpg
Unlike Venus, Jupiter isn't exactly getting well enough illuminated,
nor is it all that albedo/reflective, and that onboard camera of such
nifty CCD performance image processing being worth 16+db and having
nothing but the very best available optics isn't exactly wussy in the
dynamic range(DR) department. As for imaging the likes of Pluto will
demand a great deal of such CCD dynamic range, and most certainly that
onboard camera and terrific optics are in fact well suited for that
task.

BTW, Venus as rather easily viewed from our physically dark and naked
moon was not ever a point source of any star like dim illumination,
and only those scientists willing to destroy their job security and/or
any future possibility of related employment would dare go on record
as sharing in this truth, although there have been many other
qualified reputations that have fully supported the NASA/Apollo hoax,
as for exactly what it really was another part of our mutually
perpetrated cold-war, exactly as orchestrated along by those pesky
Zion Yids that made the likes of their Hitler into such a royal pain
in the butt, and now doing the same puppeteering on behalf of
orchestrating our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).

However, just like Messenger's absolutely piss poor image of Earth and
apparent inability to record our physically dark moon, the New Horizon
CCD image of Jupiter and Io had also been extremely DR limited, as to
offering not much better or even as good of DR than my free cell-phone
camera could provide (certainly far worse off than Kodak film). Why
would they only utilize 1% or less of their CCD Dynamic Range?

Do you folks think JAXA's Senene CCD images are going to be as
intentionally DR limited?

Kodak KAI-1003 has a DR of 70 DB
Kodak KAI-2020 has a DR of 68 DB
Kodak KAI-4011 has a DR of 60 DB
Fairchield's Condor CCD486 or CCD3041 are only that much better yet,
along with most of such cameras processing out any given 16 bit or 16
DB worth of that CCD's extended DR, means that it should be next to
impossible as to exclude stars unless having intentionally done so via
the firmware or subsequent software instructions. Of any given FOV or
composite image that offers the likes of Earth and our moon side by
side, under identical illumination and using the very same exposure
scan is less than child's play for this generation of impressive
instruments, and anything Kodak or Fairchield can muster is certianly
matched or surpassed by whatever Sony, Fuji or others are capable of
doing.
- Brad Guth -

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On Oct 14, 7:22 am, cccccdfgdfgdg...@googlemail.com wrote:

> VIDEO: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon: The $100 billion
> moon landing fraud.
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>
> http://www.livevideo.com/video/ALIENDISCLOSUREGROUP/DF2E63BEF3F342439...

At least the $100 billion fraud wasn't hardly a drop in the year by
year multi-trillion dollar 9/11 + Iraq fiasco that's still ongoing and
costing us more by the hour, with no apparent end in sight.

But isn't that what our faith-based puppet governments do best?
- Brad Guth -

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crazyh0rse1@hotmail.com - 24 Oct 2007 18:00 GMT

> On Oct 14, 7:22 am, cccccdfgdfgdg...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
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> But isn't that what our faith-based puppet governments do best?
> - Brad Guth -

The introduction to these videos puts me off. Why show lots of test
rocket failures? What is the point of cutting to starving Africans?

Are the producers trying to suggest that the USA government should
have given the money to the 'mostly' communist regimes in those
countries at the time? If so, you are far more naive than I thought.

And, are the shuttle voyages a hoax? Is the international space
station a hoax? The Russians landed an un-manned capsule on the moon
before 1969. Was that a hoax too?

How do you think space exploration began on any of the planets in the
universe, without some expensive trial and error?

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BradGuth - 25 Oct 2007 19:59 GMT

On Oct 24, 10:00 am, crazyh0r...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > On Oct 14, 7:22 am, cccccdfgdfgdg...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
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> How do you think space exploration began on any of the planets in the
> universe, without some expensive trial and error?

Is your being entirely out of context a normal attribute of how you
function?

We're talking about those supposed manned moon landings and rad-hard
EVAs that we have absolutely zelch worth of proof or any subsequent
related science that can be taken to so much as an offshore bank
account.

Do you have any honest to God idea(s) as to how freaking tough it is
to have hidden Venus from view? (seems a whole lot tougher than hiding
all of those Muslim WMD and Osama bin Laden, don't you think!)
- Brad Guth -

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On Oct 14, 7:22 am, cccccdfgdfgdg...@googlemail.com wrote:

> A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon: The $100 billion
> moon landing fraud.

Is there actual NASA/Apollo mission film to behold, or isn't there?

How much if any original NASA/Apollo EVA related film is ever going to
publicly exist, as thus far not even Ken Johnston has been given that
much to work with. However, of what Ken has to offer might actually
provide a little of something that'll included Venus within a given
FOV that'll also included our physically dark moon, as being of the
natural solar and earthshine illuminated lunar surface and otherwise
of those absolutely vibrant (somewhat violet color skewed) Venus
clouds, as can only have been obtained from lunar orbit. There's no
question or argument from myself that at least via robotically we
actually should have multiples of those kinds of orbital obtained
images to work with, along with those 10X telephoto closeups as
originally recorded onto Kodak's large format and high resolution spy-
film, that were subsequently processed and digital scanned on the fly,
of best sharing in whatever that physically dark, dusty and nasty
lunar anticathode surface had to offer.

Hoagland Attacks JimO over Apollo Coverup!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/6aa5088518b01239

"" JPL's ultimate decision to fire Dr. Johnston was initiated,
according to
Ferrari's phone call, "by an initial inquiry to JPL from James Oberg,
of NBC
News." Oberg is a former NASA contractor and a colleague of
Johnston's at
NASA's Manned Spacecraft Center during the Apollo Program in the
1970's.
According to Ferrari, Oberg, in his e-mails, raised "serious issues
regarding Johnston's credentials" and his "crackpot accusations"
against the
agency. Oberg's NASA contractor history begs ethical questions
regarding his
efforts to get Johnston terminated, based on Johnston's testimony in
"Dark
Mission" and intention to present further "missing" Apollo images and
data
at the National Press Club. ""

"Dr. Johnston will present documentation of his claims, credentials
and key
role at NASA October 30th."

You kind and supposedly all-knowing folks recall what happened to that
certain NASA safety engineer and his entire family, don't you?

Not only did they manage to arrange that rather unfortunate encounter
with a locomotive, but also having scrubbed out his entire safety
report, as well as that of his field office and most of everything
else got scrubbed, almost like he never existed.

Perhaps something similar as orchestrated by DHS/NSA/CIA~NASA (aka MIB
spooks) will happen to Dr. Ken Johnston. (does Ken Johnston have a
reliable posse that's packing heat?)
- Brad Guth -

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Model Forum / General / Rockets / October 2007

Watch: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon: The $100 Billion Moon Landing Fraud.