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Model Forum / General / Rockets / January 2008Glue thread!
I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. Would epoxy provide a decent bond? Or would polyurethane (i.e. "Gorilla") glue work better? Any other kinds of glue I might have overlooked? > I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. > > Would epoxy provide a decent bond? Or would polyurethane (i.e. "Gorilla") > glue work better? Any other kinds of glue I might have overlooked? JB Weld! Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > > I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > TRA#5512 > IEAS#75 Uncle Bobbys Asston hand whipped Organic is the number one choice of rocketeers and chute packers! Duh, and I thought you knew all about rockets >>> I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. >>> Would epoxy provide a decent bond? Or would polyurethane (i.e. "Gorilla") [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > rocketeers and chute packers! Duh, and I thought you knew all about > rockets Are you *ever* sober??? Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >Would epoxy provide a decent bond? Or would polyurethane (i.e. "Gorilla") My experience with epoxy and metal has not been good. If you do try, rough the aluminum up well with a file and maybe 60 grit sandpaper so the epoxy has places to "grab" on to. >glue work better? Any other kinds of glue I might have overlooked? JB Weld is what I've used for metal-to-other-materials. It usually works well, but not all of the time. When possible, I use screws or bolts to attach metal to plywood. Glen Overby twin cities, mn >I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. > > Would epoxy provide a decent bond? Or would polyurethane (i.e. "Gorilla") > glue work better? Any other kinds of glue I might have overlooked? When gluing aluminum, if possible I like to drill holes for additional mechanical bond. The epoxy will bond well to the wood and will form rivets in the holes in the aluminum. I've never tried it with Gorilla. > I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. > > Would epoxy provide a decent bond? Or would polyurethane (i.e. "Gorilla") > glue work better? Any other kinds of glue I might have overlooked? What is the application? If its a shelf in your workshop, there will some easy solutions. If its a fin attachment to a body tube, there will be other considerations. Your question is so opaque that it defies any ratioal answer. Aren't you some sort of self proclaimed "roket God"? Surely you can ask an intelligible question which can actually evoke a rational response? "alcoholic loser" <trolling@loser.com> wrote: > Aren't you some sort of self proclaimed "roket God"? Only to the extent that I can spell "rocket". Everyone else - thanks for all your helpful answers! > > I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Surely you can ask an intelligible question which can actually > evoke a rational response? That woulod be too much to ask of most of this bunch of chute packers.Ask em how to duct tape a gerbil and I bet they all know how! Ask em how many have gerbils or hamsters.I bet they all do! edbedb slimed and puked: >> I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Surely you can ask an intelligible question which can actually > evoke a rational response? Take another hit of that crack pipe Ed, you will not get so agitated. BTW, what's a "roket"? Why don't you provide some answers for your eclectic ranted questions---your so negative Ed.... >I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. > > Would epoxy provide a decent bond? Or would polyurethane (i.e. "Gorilla") > glue work better? Any other kinds of glue I might have overlooked? Gorilla (and all poly-u bonds) are prone to fracture when exposed to a sharp strike. I glued up a mallet with it once and it failed miserably almost immediately. hth, jc > I would like some opinions or data on bonding aluminum angle to plywood. > > Would epoxy provide a decent bond? Or would polyurethane (i.e. "Gorilla") > glue work better? Any other kinds of glue I might have overlooked? When bonding metal to wood, the wood to glue joint is normally the weakest link in the bond between metal and wood. The partial cause of this is usually because a high density epoxy such as JB Weld is used without properly preparing the wood. Epoxy that is formulated for use with metal or other non porous materials lacks penetration when applied to materials such as wood, compared to ordinary slow cure epoxy. There are two ways to improve the glue joint between wood and metal: 1. Pre treat the wood joint surface with plain ordinary slow cure epoxy, (usually with a 30 to 60 min. set time). Do not slather on the epoxy; rub in a coating and rub off the excess. Allow the epoxy to set, but not completely cure, (usually less than 24 hours; between 1 to 4 hours to be safe). Then apply the JB Weld and set the joint with pressure, (clamps weight, etc.). The slow cure regular epoxy will penetrate and adhere to the wood better than the JB Weld and the JB Weld will adhere to the slow cure regular epoxy better than to just the wood. Also, if you preheat the wood to between 100 and 150 degrees, before applying the regular epoxy, as the wood cools at room temp, the slow cure epoxy has a tendency to be absorbed better by the porous wood. 2. Simply preheating the wood to between 100 and 150 degrees prior to using high density epoxy glues such as JB Weld, will improve the glue joint bond between metal and wood, for the same reason as stated in 1. What ever you do, do not use epoxy glue with a cure/set time of less than 30 min for high strength bonding, as once the epoxy is set, so is the penetration to the bonding surfaces of whatever materials you are attempting to mechanically bond together. I love glue threads.. Fred Fred- Thanks! Lots of useful information there. I love glue threads too! -Eek Yeah, they help us remaining guys on the group stick together... David Erbas-White > Fred- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -Eek > Yeah, they help us remaining guys on the group stick together... > > David Erbas-White Acetone works wonders. :) >> Yeah, they help us remaining guys on the group stick together... >> >> David Erbas-White > > Acetone works wonders. :) How does acetone work for cleaning motor cases :) Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >>> Yeah, they help us remaining guys on the group stick together... >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > TRA#5512 > IEAS#75 It's great for removing fingers and palms accidentally ca'd to casings. In the event that both hands are glued to the casing, how are You typing this?? If the casing is stuck to some other part of Your body then I don't recommend acetone. :):) > >>> Yeah, they help us remaining guys on the group stick together... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > typing this?? If the casing is stuck to some other part of Your body > then I don't recommend acetone. :):) Your friendly lurking crossdresser is chiming in with some actual rocket content. Use nail polish remover whenever you need to remove cyano from your fingers. It has some essential oils that will keep your skin from drying out. Acetone can remove the oil from your skin to such a degree that it will crack, peel, and become infected. This is especially so when you are in the field and your hands are not exactly their cleanest. Nail polish remover is relatively cheap and available at most drug stores, K-Mart, Wal-Mart, etc. And it is generally available in small bottles you can stash in your range box. As for casings, I clean mine with a gun cleaning kit. Very effective on burnt residue. Tina Michelle Smith >> How does acetone work for cleaning motor cases :) > > It's great for removing fingers and palms accidentally ca'd to > casings. In the event that both hands are glued to the casing, how are > You typing this?? If the casing is stuck to some other part of Your > body then I don't recommend acetone. :):) But I don't *want* to remove my fingers! \247 <tdstr@foadspammer.com> wrote: >How does acetone work for cleaning motor cases :) I haven't tried Acetone, but I expect it would fade (or worse) the anodizing of the case. For cleaning cases, I've found that Hoppes #9 works very well. Glen (uh, that was a serious question, wasn't it? :) > I haven't tried Acetone, but I expect it would fade (or worse) the anodizing > of the case. For cleaning cases, I've found that Hoppes #9 works very well. Be careful with Hoppes #9. I had a grimy forward closure soaking in some for a few minutes and it took half the black anodizing off. I understand vinegar works well and isn't as corrosive.  SignatureAt first there was just one planet. And then there were two... Rocketry Planet (http://www.rocketryplanet.com) and now Our Planet (http://our.rocketryplanet.com)! > Be careful with Hoppes #9. I had a grimy forward closure soaking in > some for a few minutes and it took half the black anodizing off. I > understand vinegar works well and isn't as corrosive. I've seen cases seriously pitted from vinegar, when allowed to soak for too long. I've had great luck with nothing more than hot, soapy water. >> Be careful with Hoppes #9. I had a grimy forward closure soaking in >> some for a few minutes and it took half the black anodizing off. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I've had great luck with nothing more than hot, soapy water. I once had to soak a long forgotten 38/600 motor in a jug full of WD40 for a week to remove all the crud. It worked though. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >>> Be careful with Hoppes #9. I had a grimy forward closure soaking in >>> some for a few minutes and it took half the black anodizing off. I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > TRA#5512 > IEAS#75 WD40 was designed for rockets. >I've had great luck with nothing more than hot, soapy water. But have you ever forgotten to clean a forward seal disk? :) Glen >> I've had great luck with nothing more than hot, soapy water. > > But have you ever forgotten to clean a forward seal disk? :) Or mistakenly tossed the forward seal disk.... Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 >> But have you ever forgotten to clean a forward seal disk? :) > >Or mistakenly tossed the forward seal disk.... Yes. And retrieved it from the bottom of a filthy bin full of rocketeers' detritus. SignatureDarren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/ /UKRA #1094 /L2 /RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/ >>> But have you ever forgotten to clean a forward seal disk? :) >>> >> Or mistakenly tossed the forward seal disk.... > > Yes. And retrieved it from the bottom of a filthy bin full of > rocketeers' detritus. I'm really hoping that you meant rocketry detritus and not rocketeers' detritus... David Erbas-White >>>> But have you ever forgotten to clean a forward seal disk? :) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I'm really hoping that you meant rocketry detritus and not rocketeers' >detritus... Yes, I think I could have chosen that word with more care! SignatureDarren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/ /UKRA #1094 /L2 /RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/ >> I've had great luck with nothing more than hot, soapy water. > > But have you ever forgotten to clean a forward seal disk? :) Yup. Even tossed one, then had to dig it out of the trash bag (yuck). -Kevin >> I haven't tried Acetone, but I expect it would fade (or worse) the anodizing >> of the case. For cleaning cases, I've found that Hoppes #9 works very well. > >Be careful with Hoppes #9. I had a grimy forward closure soaking in >some for a few minutes and it took half the black anodizing off. I >understand vinegar works well and isn't as corrosive. Did it actually remove the anodizing or the dye that give that pretty color? >> Be careful with Hoppes #9. I had a grimy forward closure soaking in >> some for a few minutes and it took half the black anodizing off. I >> understand vinegar works well and isn't as corrosive. > > Did it actually remove the anodizing or the dye that give that pretty > color? Good question. It was down to gray aluminum in places. SignatureAt first there was just one planet. And then there were two... Rocketry Planet (http://www.rocketryplanet.com) and now Our Planet (http://our.rocketryplanet.com)! HOT HOT water and Simple Green. > >> Be careful with Hoppes #9. I had a grimy forward closure soaking in > >> some for a few minutes and it took half the black anodizing off. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Good question. It was down to gray aluminum in places. Just clean 'em up the same way you would a gun barrel...stuff called PB Blaster works great for caked on messes, as would carb cleaner. Afterwards, I polish the inside with a teflon based lubricant, such as Slick 50 aerosol spray, and polish till dry. (careful of course to avoid seals and rings). But I would never advise soaking ANY anodized part in any solvent. On Jan 11, 9:26 am, Phil Stein <PSt...@ArielSystems.spamsks.net> wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:57:03 -0500, "Darrell D. Mobley" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Did it actually remove the anodizing or the dye that give that pretty > color? Truth be known you all got your limp wristed hands stuck to your or yuor buddies dick while attending an ASSTRON workshop session, now are in dire need of getting them unstuck. What a fruity bunch of asswipes here, which now includes a god dam crossdressing homo to boot. I can see it now, out there on the range in high heels and a skirt with Freddie and Phil and Darrell looking to take a peak up "his" skirt....I bet all the bois fight over who is gonna share a room with "it" at major launches huh? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahaha what a bunch of fruits > On Jan 11, 9:26 am, Phil Stein <PSt...@ArielSystems.spamsks.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > "it" at major launches huh? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahaha what a > bunch of fruits Ewww, I can smell the alcohol from here :( I suggest you try a Altoid..... or ten. Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75 > Whodat highjacker puked and slimed: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > TRA#5512 > IEAS#75 The real question is: Does the idiot, masquerading as Whodat, become a moron before he drinks or after he drinks?? bwaaaaaaa, I guess that was a loaded question, with an obvious answer... Fred > Truth be known you all got your limp wristed hands stuck to your or > yuor buddies dick while attending an ASSTRON workshop session, now are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "it" at major launches huh? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahaha what a > bunch of fruits The only person with dicks on his brain appears to be you. SignatureAt first there was just one planet. And then there were two... Rocketry Planet (http://www.rocketryplanet.com) and now Our Planet (http://our.rocketryplanet.com)! On Jan 11, 8:21 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> wrote: > > Truth be known you all got your limp wristed hands stuck to your or > > yuor buddies dick while attending an ASSTRON workshop session, now are [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Rocketry Planet (http://www.rocketryplanet.com) and now Our Planet > (http://our.rocketryplanet.com)! Better to have a dick on the brain than in the mouth like you Darrell and yuor other brothers Darrell and Darrell............I bet yuor first in line to share a room .what about it Darrell or does Freddie beat you out and off if it all the time! > Better to have a dick on the brain than in the mouth like you Darrell > and yuor other brothers Darrell and Darrell............I bet yuor > first in line to share a room .what about it Darrell or does Freddie > beat you out and off if it all the time! You're a very sick bastard, but a bastard none the less. No amount of posturing by you will make the sick things you say true. No amount of wordsmithing will make you right and the rest of us wrong. You are a distraction and an unwanted visitor to this place and nothing you can do will ever change that fact. You only reiterate your low IQ and mental capacity for continuing to try to insert yourself where you are not wanted. With the characteristics of a stalker or a date rapist, I bet you aren't very popular with friends or family, which explains why you hang around the Internet like a dirty old man with candy waiting for a kid. All of your sick jokes aside, nothing you can ever say will ever hurt any of us, so enjoy getting your sick kicks. Ta-ta! :-) SignatureAt first there was just one planet. And then there were two... Rocketry Planet (http://www.rocketryplanet.com) and now Our Planet (http://our.rocketryplanet.com)! Whodat highjacker puked and slimed: > <<Wodat highjacker puked and slime removed>> I removed the content your posting for lack of content and relised there is nothing left in your moronic posting requiring a response.. Have another hit of Wild Turkey, (or is it crack), and try again.... (:-) |
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