[ROL]North Coast Rocketry Under New Ownership
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Kevin Trojanowski - 15 Jan 2008 00:33 GMT Just Rockets,Inc is please to announce that we have just finished all negotiations with Matt Steele and have purchased the original North Coast Rocketry in it's entirety. We do not anticipate the release of any NCR kits until later in the year. Third or fourth quarter. There is a lot of work to do with retooling etc. Don will be building the new North Coast Rocketry website soon and it will be www.northcoastrocketry.com.
We anticipate that this will be a great move forward for Just Rockets,Inc and will be welcomed by the rocketry community. If any of you have any imput or what kit's you would like to see first Please just let us know. You can leave all comments of course here, or at ROCKETSJUST@AOL.COM or at wolfstar@wolfstardesigns.com. Thanks and stay tuned
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J.A. Michel - 15 Jan 2008 01:07 GMT > Just Rockets,Inc is please to announce that we have just finished all > negotiations with Matt Steele and have purchased the original North Coast [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.rocketryonline.com Cool!!
Eekamouse - 15 Jan 2008 13:46 GMT When did Estes cough up NCR? I thought they bought the whole operation in the 90's, and then let it die quietly after they decided HPR wasn't for them.
David Erbas-White - 15 Jan 2008 20:03 GMT Pure speculation, but I'm wondering whether there was some caveat in the deal where Estes agreed to sell the products, but if they didn't do so it reverted. Just a guess...
David Erbas-White
> When did Estes cough up NCR? I thought they bought the whole > operation in the 90's, and then let it die quietly after they decided > HPR wasn't for them. shreadvector - 15 Jan 2008 21:40 GMT On Jan 15, 12:03 pm, David Erbas-White <der...@arachneering.com> wrote:
> Pure speculation, but I'm wondering whether there was some caveat in the > deal where Estes agreed to sell the products, but if they didn't do so [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Everything has been explained by Matt Steele on TRF. No need to guess.
Darrell D. Mobley - 15 Jan 2008 21:42 GMT > Everything has been explained by Matt Steele on TRF. No need to guess. Thank God! Where would we be without TRF! :rolleyes:
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shreadvector - 15 Jan 2008 21:49 GMT On Jan 15, 1:42 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> wrote:
> > Everything has been explained by Matt Steele on TRF. No need to guess. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Rocketry Planet (http://www.rocketryplanet.com) and now Our Planet > (http://our.rocketryplanet.com)! You would be here: the electronic equivalent of "a van down by the river".
Lah-dee-frickin-dah
Glen Overby - 16 Jan 2008 00:20 GMT >You would be here: the electronic equivalent of "a van down by the >river". Yeah, thats pretty much what TRF is: an early-1980s bulletin board.
"new since last visit" has got to be the lamest way to track what I've read. 'rn' was able to do a better job than that, in *1986*.
Darrell D. Mobley - 16 Jan 2008 01:35 GMT >> You would be here: the electronic equivalent of "a van down by the >> river". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "new since last visit" has got to be the lamest way to track what I've read. > 'rn' was able to do a better job than that, in *1986*. Yeah, C-Net 10.0 on a Commodore 64 did a pretty good job of that! At least the way Rocketry Planet is configured, it will keep track of new posts since your last visit plus any other new posts from previous visits that you haven't read yet.
'rn' read new 8-)
Instead of a van by the river, TRF is more like an electronic version of a shopping mall parking lot: a place to hang out but not very much to do.
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J.A. Michel - 16 Jan 2008 03:01 GMT >snip<
> Instead of a van by the river, TRF is more like an electronic version of a > shopping mall parking lot: a place to hang out but not very much to do. I like to think of TRF more like an electronic shitbox. The mods have yet to learn to no sh.t where they sleep.
Darrell D. Mobley - 16 Jan 2008 18:49 GMT >> snip< > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I like to think of TRF more like an electronic shitbox. The mods have > yet to learn to no sh.t where they sleep. ROFLMFAO!
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Gus - 16 Jan 2008 13:32 GMT On Jan 15, 8:35 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> wrote:
> >> You would be here: the electronic equivalent of "a van down by the > >> river". [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -- You know, you guys don't even need A. Paul Ing/Roy/Tristan/Mitch/ Habeeb to make this place a wretched hive of scum and villainy. You do a pretty good job yourselves.
Give the TRF thing a rest already.
Who cares?
Not everybody goes to TRF, fine.
Not everybody goes to ROL or RP either.
Darrell D. Mobley - 16 Jan 2008 18:51 GMT > Not everybody goes to ROL or RP either. Who said they did, buttcheese?
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Phil Stein - 16 Jan 2008 15:22 GMT >Instead of a van by the river, TRF is more like an electronic version of >a shopping mall parking lot: a place to hang out but not very much to do. It's not even that good. The mall has some good scenery.
Scott D. Hansen - 16 Jan 2008 16:10 GMT > Yeah, C-Net 10.0 on a Commodore 64 did a pretty good job of that! At > least the way Rocketry Planet is configured, it will keep track of new > posts since your last visit plus any other new posts from previous > visits that you haven't read yet. C-Net and Image were great Commodore BBS programs back in the day. I was a beta tester for both of them. ;-)
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Darrell D. Mobley - 16 Jan 2008 18:59 GMT > C-Net and Image were great Commodore BBS programs back in the day. I > was a beta tester for both of them. ;-) Scott, I was on the C-Net 11&12 development team! 1985-86
Data*West in Florida! C-64, 40MB Lt. Kernal HD.
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Bob Kaplow - 17 Jan 2008 02:03 GMT >> C-Net and Image were great Commodore BBS programs back in the day. I >> was a beta tester for both of them. ;-) > > Scott, I was on the C-Net 11&12 development team! 1985-86 Well, as long as we're going down memory lane, I was a user of the first BBS on the planet, and knew the folks who put it all together, as a tool to collect input for our club newsletter. The power users were the ones with the 300 baud modems. Late 70s.
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Darrell D. Mobley - 17 Jan 2008 03:52 GMT > Well, as long as we're going down memory lane, I was a user of the first BBS > on the planet, and knew the folks who put it all together, as a tool to > collect input for our club newsletter. The power users were the ones with > the 300 baud modems. Late 70s. My first BBS was 300 baud. Full duplex! :)
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Phil Stein - 17 Jan 2008 14:01 GMT >> Well, as long as we're going down memory lane, I was a user of the first BBS >> on the planet, and knew the folks who put it all together, as a tool to >> collect input for our club newsletter. The power users were the ones with >> the 300 baud modems. Late 70s. >> >My first BBS was 300 baud. Full duplex! :) You newbies crack me up. ;-)
Smaug Ichorfang - 17 Jan 2008 06:25 GMT > Well, as long as we're going down memory lane, I was a user of the > first BBS on the planet, and knew the folks who put it all together, > as a tool to collect input for our club newsletter. The power users > were the ones with the 300 baud modems. Late 70s. I'm curious - what was "the first BBS on the planet"?
300 baud? Ha! When I was getting started, the "power users" had to yell out the bits to each other!
Bob Kaplow - 18 Jan 2008 17:52 GMT >> Well, as long as we're going down memory lane, I was a user of the >> first BBS on the planet, and knew the folks who put it all together, >> as a tool to collect input for our club newsletter. The power users >> were the ones with the 300 baud modems. Late 70s. > > I'm curious - what was "the first BBS on the planet"? Back in the 70s I was a member of the Chicago Area Computer Hobbiest Exchange (CACHE). The club had a monthly newsletter (CACHE memory, or CACHE register, or something like that). Rather than getting submissions on 43 incompatible format 5.25" floppies, or 8" floppies, or cassette tape, they set up a dial up computer system to allow members to download newsletter articles for the editor. That became the Chicago Bulletin Board System, or CBBS. It was built by Randy Seuss (hardware) and Ward Christensen (software). In order to speed file transfers, Ward wrote Xmodem, which is still around today.
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Scott D. Hansen - 17 Jan 2008 15:45 GMT > > C-Net and Image were great Commodore BBS programs back in the day. I > > was a beta tester for both of them. ;-) > > Scott, I was on the C-Net 11&12 development team! 1985-86 > > Data*West in Florida! C-64, 40MB Lt. Kernal HD. I ran mine on a C-64 with a Lt. Kernal 20MB drive. Along with a number of the SFD-1001 and 1571 drives. Did you go to Ken's house in Michigan for the big get together in '88 or '89? I was there with a friend from the MKE area. What a bunch of computer nerds we were. ;-)
My BBS was called Ye Olde Pawn Shoppe. See a pattern here? ;-)
In later years when I switched to PC's, I ran and was a beta tester for RemoteAccess and FrontDoor. I was the main dude for FidoNet in SE WI for a number of years running Net 154.
My BBS started in early '84 on a 300 baud modem as well.
Packed away somewhere I still have my original C-64 (I had a bunch at one time), my C-128 and my Amiga 500. I sold off the Lt. Kernal a long time ago while I could still recoup some of the money.
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Darrell D. Mobley - 18 Jan 2008 04:33 GMT > I ran mine on a C-64 with a Lt. Kernal 20MB drive. Along with a number > of the SFD-1001 and 1571 drives. Did you go to Ken's house in Michigan > for the big get together in '88 or '89? I was there with a friend from > the MKE area. What a bunch of computer nerds we were. ;-) Ken ended up screwing me out of some money so we parted ways. So no visits to the uber-geeks house. ;-)
> In later years when I switched to PC's, I ran and was a beta tester for > RemoteAccess and FrontDoor. I was the main dude for FidoNet in SE WI > for a number of years running Net 154. I migrated to WWIV, was an AC for a while, ran a big mail router in my area.
> Packed away somewhere I still have my original C-64 (I had a bunch at > one time), my C-128 and my Amiga 500. I sold off the Lt. Kernal a long > time ago while I could still recoup some of the money. I could never recoup my original investment, it was over 2 grand. But I had the claim, according to Fiscal, of being the largest storage capacity C64 board for a number of years, at least until Xetec started selling the drives and SCSI became the standard in them.
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Scott D. Hansen - 18 Jan 2008 14:39 GMT > I could never recoup my original investment, it was over 2 grand. But I > had the claim, according to Fiscal, of being the largest storage > capacity C64 board for a number of years, at least until Xetec started > selling the drives and SCSI became the standard in them. Wow. Those are some company names I haven't heard in a long time. I actually forgot the names till you mentioned them.
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Darrell D. Mobley - 18 Jan 2008 18:56 GMT >> I could never recoup my original investment, it was over 2 grand. But I >> had the claim, according to Fiscal, of being the largest storage [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Wow. Those are some company names I haven't heard in a long time. I > actually forgot the names till you mentioned them. Interestingly enough, one of the original two developers of the Lt. Kernal was Lloyd Sponenburg, an avid pyro and author of pyro books. He still lives about 2 hours south of me, and I got the entire Fiscal Information tour in Daytona in 1985.
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Davel - 18 Jan 2008 04:53 GMT > My BBS was called Ye Olde Pawn Shoppe. See a pattern here? ;-) > > In later years when I switched to PC's, I ran and was a beta tester for > RemoteAccess and FrontDoor. I was the main dude for FidoNet in SE WI > for a number of years running Net 154. ..And I ran as a point off of Scott.
Been too long for this old memory, what were you, 1:154/750? I think I may have been .3
Scott D. Hansen - 18 Jan 2008 14:37 GMT > > My BBS was called Ye Olde Pawn Shoppe. See a pattern here? ;-) > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Been too long for this old memory, what were you, 1:154/750? I think I > may have been .3 Yes and yes. Good memory, Dave! Ah, those were the days. ;-)
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Darrell D. Mobley - 16 Jan 2008 01:29 GMT > On Jan 15, 1:42 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Lah-dee-frickin-dah Fred, have you ever stopped to consider that not everybody wants to gather at The Retard Forum? Yet most of your posts attempt to uproot people from here and make them go there. Just an observation.
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shreadvector - 16 Jan 2008 13:57 GMT On Jan 15, 5:29 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 15, 1:42 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Rocketry Planet (http://www.rocketryplanet.com) and now Our Planet > (http://our.rocketryplanet.com)! I really don;t understand your extreme hatred of TRF and your continuing use of derogitory terms about retarded people. Why do you hate people who are retarded and use that term to insult others? Do you hate Jews and other groups as well?
I was not attempting to uproot people from here. I was simply pointing out that the information was already on the Web and it came from Matt Steele. I do not beleive in re-typing info if it is already online, I simply ppint people to the source. If Matt's comments had been on your website, I would have pointed them there.
Please try to not be so nasty to everyone. Your hatred is one reason, but not the primary reason, most people have been scared away from this USENET group.
-Fred Shecter
Darrell D. Mobley - 16 Jan 2008 18:54 GMT > I really don;t understand your extreme hatred of TRF and your > continuing use of derogitory terms about retarded people. Why do you > hate people who are retarded and use that term to insult others? Do > you hate Jews and other groups as well? Do they run retarded websites? Then perhaps, but I doubt it. Most retarded people I have met have been far nicer than the people who run TRF. Perhaps we should just call it the a.shole forum.
> I was not attempting to uproot people from here. I was simply pointing > out that the information was already on the Web and it came from Matt > Steele. I do not beleive in re-typing info if it is already online, I > simply ppint people to the source. If Matt's comments had been on your > website, I would have pointed them there. Then what is the purpose of your posts? You are repeating what someone else said just by saying it was on TRF. The whole point of discussion is to ... discuss.
> Please try to not be so nasty to everyone. Your hatred is one reason, > but not the primary reason, most people have been scared away from > this USENET group. You give me much more credit than is due, but thanks anyway.
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Gus - 16 Jan 2008 19:33 GMT On Jan 16, 1:54 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> wrote:
> Then what is the purpose of your posts? You are repeating what someone > else said just by saying it was on TRF. The whole point of discussion > is to ... discuss. Try taking your own advice, Darrell.
All you're doing is ranting.
Darrell D. Mobley - 17 Jan 2008 03:51 GMT > Try taking your own advice, Darrell. > > All you're doing is ranting. And what the hell are you doing? Nothing. When you do something worthwhile, let me know, so I can give your "advice" reconsideration. Until then, screw off.
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Darrell D. Mobley - 16 Jan 2008 19:16 GMT > Please try to not be so nasty to everyone. Your hatred is one reason, > but not the primary reason, most people have been scared away from > this USENET group. After thinking about this for a moment, I wanted to come back and call bullshit to this comment. RMR was dead long before I came back to rocketry.
Just think, if interested parties wanted to resolve some of the hatred, they would ask the moderators of that forum to live by their words and not doublespeak.
But your comment that my hatred of TRF, which didn't start until this past year, is one reason people have been scared away from RMR, well, that is complete and utter bullshit, Fred. Pure unadulterated bullshit.
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Tweak - 16 Jan 2008 19:25 GMT > > Please try to not be so nasty to everyone. Your hatred is one reason, > > but not the primary reason, most people have been scared away from [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > past year, is one reason people have been scared away from RMR, well, > that is complete and utter bullshit, Fred. Pure unadulterated bullshit. I'm suprised you even responded to the statement, as everyone knows it was the unholy triumvirate that "ran off" everyone.
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Darrell D. Mobley - 17 Jan 2008 03:54 GMT > I'm suprised you even responded to the statement, as everyone knows it > was the unholy triumvirate that "ran off" everyone. Yeah, but Fred spouts off like he's some holier-than-thou expert on human behavior when he's just full of crap. Therefore, a response.
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Phil Stein - 17 Jan 2008 14:00 GMT >> I'm suprised you even responded to the statement, as everyone knows it >> was the unholy triumvirate that "ran off" everyone. > >Yeah, but Fred spouts off like he's some holier-than-thou expert on >human behavior when he's just full of crap. Therefore, a response. I wonder if Fred gets to hawk his Suckajeweea coins on TRF. Maybe he ran out of them which would explain rmr's lack of usefulness to him.
-=<<LEGION>>=- - 16 Jan 2008 23:07 GMT On Jan 16, 1:16 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> wrote:
> > Please try to not be so nasty to everyone. Your hatred is one reason, > > but not the primary reason, most people have been scared away from [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Rocketry Planet (http://www.rocketryplanet.com) and now Our Planet > (http://our.rocketryplanet.com)! -=<<LEGION>>=- - 17 Jan 2008 13:28 GMT > On Jan 16, 1:16 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch) - 18 Jan 2008 14:50 GMT > > On Jan 16, 1:16 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - aoru...@yahoo.com - 18 Jan 2008 19:56 GMT On Jan 18, 8:50 am, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" <eek.amo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 16, 1:16 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> > > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Phil Stein - 16 Jan 2008 15:19 GMT >On Jan 15, 1:42 pm, "Darrell D. Mobley" <dmob...@rocketryplanet.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Lah-dee-frickin-dah What's your excuse for being here? Do you get a commission from the Teenage Rocketry Forum?
J.A. Michel - 16 Jan 2008 03:03 GMT On Jan 15, 12:03 pm, David Erbas-White <der...@arachneering.com> wrote:
> Pure speculation, but I'm wondering whether there was some caveat in the > deal where Estes agreed to sell the products, but if they didn't do so [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Everything has been explained by Matt Steele on TRF. No need to guess.
Not everyone goes to TRF Fred.
shreadvector - 16 Jan 2008 13:59 GMT > On Jan 15, 12:03 pm, David Erbas-White <der...@arachneering.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Not everyone goes to TRF Fred. Of course. That is why I pointed it oout here. There are millions of items of information all over the Web. If some of that information is of value to a covnersation, it makes sense to point folks to the source rather than re-typing it and possibly distorting the information. If the news was on the USA Today website, I would have pointed folks there.
I was simply telling folks where the original message from Matt Steele was posted. Nothing more, nothing less.
Darrell D. Mobley - 16 Jan 2008 18:55 GMT > Of course. That is why I pointed it oout here. There are millions of > items of information all over the Web. If some of that information is > of value to a covnersation, it makes sense to point folks to the > source rather than re-typing it and possibly distorting the > information. For the record, copying-and-pasting is faster than pointing the user to TRF.
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Bob Kaplow - 15 Jan 2008 23:03 GMT > When did Estes cough up NCR? I thought they bought the whole > operation in the 90's, and then let it die quietly after they decided > HPR wasn't for them. From my conversations with Matt before, during, and after; the North Coast line was only licensed to Estes while Matt retained the rights. Whatever deal he had was long ago terminated or breached by Estes management.
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